Coronavirus prep
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I watched two teenagers clean the door at Sonic on two consecutive days.
Day 1. A young lady with a large dish cloth and a bottle of cleaner came outside, sprayed the cloth with cleaner, wiped off the door handle, turned the cloth, sprayed again, wiped the door, turned the cloth, wiped the door frame as high and low as she could reach comfortably, turned the cloth, sprayed again, wiped the wall outside the door frame, turned the cloth, sprayed, held the cloth in her hand while opening the door and went inside.
Day 2. A young man with a large dish cloth and a bottle of cleaner came outside, drenched the cloth with cleaner until it was dripping, wiped the door handle, sprayed it again, wiped the door handle again, sprayed again, wiped the door handle again, held the cloth in his right hand while he opened the door with his empty left hand and went inside.
Both good employees. Both trying to do good. People are different.7 -
cmriverside wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Well sure. In the U.S. ( not sure where you are, Fuzzi ) we have the same regulations.
I've worked for many years in the food industry.
It's only as safe as its weakest link.
If you go out to the park or the beach, do you disinfect your shoes before you get in the car or before you walk in the house? How about washing your clothes every time you wear them? Without letting them touch anything else in your house? So that would mean disrobing immediately when you get in your house, showering and washing those clothes and disinfecting those shoes.
But then - you have the car to worry about? Are you giving it 10 days between using it? If not, how are you dealing with contaminants in the carpet and on the upholstery?
Now let's extrapolate that out to every human who touches every item that you might touch?
Like I said, I worked in the food industry for decades. I'm surprised more people don't die just from eating out. It's a super unsafe industry - even though you think it's safe. That 20 year old girl who works at Mickey Dees? You think she never touches the brim of your cup or scratches her nose then bags your order? Ha.
Same goes for grocery stores. Is every person disinfecting?
Yeah, I did restaurant management for several years and one of the hardest things was just ensuring basic food safety in the face of (relative) employee indifference. Basic things like handwashing, not picking things up off the floor, changing gloves after touching personal areas, etc. Then you add all the stuff about making them care that the FOOD actually stays safe by staying at a proper temperature, etc.
It's not that they were malicious, it's just hard to get buy-in to prevent "invisible" dangers.
Especially when the vulnerability to the invisible dangers comes from below-conscious behaviors, and in a busy context.
I see this in myself as I try to put in place sensible anti-virus measures to keep my house "clean" (in the viral sense - I'm still a desultory housekeeper generally ).
I can tell myself (say) I'm going to take my shoes off at the door, but I forget and just carry the bag to the kitchen, now and then, on autopilot. I can adopt a certain method for handling maybe-suspect foods/packages/items, but it's easy to drop and pick up, grab something by reflex and not notice, etc.
The above may suggest a level of fear or obsession that I don't think I have or feel, in practice; but I'm making a point about unconscious chinks in our armor, in the midst of busy routines, despite being well-informed, and making best conscious effort. It doesn't worry me deeply, but I know those chinks are facts. And they're not due to lack of awareness, lack of caring, or any form of intent.
Why so much focus on shoes? Yes, my shoes are dirty, and they spread dirt to my floor. They do that normally when there is no covid because the ground is covered in tetanus and e.coli, among millions of other infectious agents. For that reason, I never put my shoes on a surface which ever contacts my face or something likely to touch my face. I wash my hands after doing push-ups, for example. I don’t lick my floors, or drop food on them and then eat it, or set plates on them. The floor is and has always been a non-safe surface. I tend to take my shoes off or change to indoor shoes when I come home simply because my shoes are uncomfortable for wearing around the house, but I would consider this true even if I lived Japanese-style and took my shoes off every time before entering, because I don’t regularly wash my feet as I wash my hands, so my feet are likely to be germy.
Covid isn’t absorbed through the skin, if you can avoid sticking your shoe in your mouth (either directly or indirectly) you should be fine.
Don't put your feet up on the couch, table or bed without washing them. Because once it's on the furniture or in your bed, it's transferable to your hands, body, face. Don't use throw blankets on the couch when it's cold...same thing. Don't pet your dog or cat who sleeps on the floor...etc.
My pillowcase is beneath the covers when not in use, and gets washed on the regular. Apart from the pillowcase my mouth, eyes, and nose don’t touch the bed, couch, throw blanket, etc. Again, disease doesn’t generally penetrate the skin.
I can understand that households with small children need to take precautions because small children put their mouths on everything, but again, that’s not specific to the covid era. Covid isn’t the only germ out there.6 -
Wow, good news here today - down to one active case.
Seems quite surreal - reading this article while working on our management plans to be able to restart kids' activities that I volunteer for. Almost stamped out this round of COVID19 (not assuming that's the end of it), and yet it's totally at the forefront of a lot of what's going on day to day. So much work done on contact tracing and keeping records, as well as cleaning and hygiene. Hopefully we'll be well prepared when the next case pops up.
https://stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121665814/coronavirus-just-one-active-covid19-case-in-nz-no-new-cases-on-friday6 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Zoonotic illnesses have been around forever, and will continue to be.
Right. To elaborate on what you said, I feel like some things are getting confused. One is basic food safety and contamination (by things like excrement), which can lead to some kinds of outbreaks (like romaine and salmonella). Another is zoonotic illnesses that are caused by living in close proximity to animals (typically domesticated) and thus new diseases being introduced from them that were not previously seen in humans. Or animals living in proximity to each other (ducks and swine, for example, leading to bird flu in swine which then can jump to humans). As exotic animals are brought alongside other animals and humans in some markets, they can potentially lead to novel diseases (which may be what happened with this coronavirus, although as I understand it that's not at all clear).
Smallpox is one example of a zoonotic disease caused by animal domestication and relatively dense populations living alongside animals in Europe and elsewhere many, many years ago. Many other common illnesses (or once common) resulted from this too, and it's not really about "food safety" or not. This is why the diseases that were commonplace in Europe (and still quite deadly there) by the time Europeans came to the Americas were so devastating to the Native American populations, who had no immunity to them.
Smallpox may have gotten a hand-up by us living close to animals and domesticating them, but it's still spread by the mechanisms of contamination, whether on our hands, bodies and clothing or by ingesting unclean food/touching the same things that infected people have touched.
Once smallpox got a handhold it was mainly spread human to human, not by animals. This seems inconsistent with Fuzzipeg saying it was about animal feces or other contamination.
There's a distinction between diseases resulting from zoonotic causes and those resulting from a lack of food safety (i.e., cleanliness) that Fuzzipeg seemed to be conflating, unless I misunderstood.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »Well sure. In the U.S. ( not sure where you are, Fuzzi ) we have the same regulations.
I've worked for many years in the food industry.
It's only as safe as its weakest link.
If you go out to the park or the beach, do you disinfect your shoes before you get in the car or before you walk in the house? How about washing your clothes every time you wear them? Without letting them touch anything else in your house? So that would mean disrobing immediately when you get in your house, showering and washing those clothes and disinfecting those shoes.
But then - you have the car to worry about? Are you giving it 10 days between using it? If not, how are you dealing with contaminants in the carpet and on the upholstery?
Now let's extrapolate that out to every human who touches every item that you might touch?
Like I said, I worked in the food industry for decades. I'm surprised more people don't die just from eating out. It's a super unsafe industry - even though you think it's safe. That 20 year old girl who works at Mickey Dees? You think she never touches the brim of your cup or scratches her nose then bags your order? Ha.
Same goes for grocery stores. Is every person disinfecting?
My wife has started stripping completely when she gets home from her once a week volunteer job. (But that's only if our teenage son is not at home when she comes in).
We've never been in the habit of leaving our shoes at the door, although I've heard of a few who always did it even before COVID19.
Interesting point about the beach, and I've been three times since the restrictions have been lifted. No I didn't scrub the shoes nor the car mats after walking on the sand. Car upholstery I never thought of until you mentioned it.
Our local supermarkets are appealing to shoppers to examine items with their eyes instead of their hands before making a selection. This protects you from having to buy the items I already touched and left on the shelf.
I fully understand the dangers in a restaurant environment and am way more conscious of this than the other things listed above.
It is clear that moving to the new normal will take some effort, but of course we can't be too paranoid either.5 -
Wow, good news here today - down to one active case.
Seems quite surreal - reading this article while working on our management plans to be able to restart kids' activities that I volunteer for. Almost stamped out this round of COVID19 (not assuming that's the end of it), and yet it's totally at the forefront of a lot of what's going on day to day. So much work done on contact tracing and keeping records, as well as cleaning and hygiene. Hopefully we'll be well prepared when the next case pops up.
https://stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121665814/coronavirus-just-one-active-covid19-case-in-nz-no-new-cases-on-friday
So sorry to hear you have a new death. You are doing so great there. 50+ days here in our region with zero new cases.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=123354963 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Well sure. In the U.S. ( not sure where you are, Fuzzi ) we have the same regulations.
I've worked for many years in the food industry.
It's only as safe as its weakest link.
If you go out to the park or the beach, do you disinfect your shoes before you get in the car or before you walk in the house? How about washing your clothes every time you wear them? Without letting them touch anything else in your house? So that would mean disrobing immediately when you get in your house, showering and washing those clothes and disinfecting those shoes.
But then - you have the car to worry about? Are you giving it 10 days between using it? If not, how are you dealing with contaminants in the carpet and on the upholstery?
Now let's extrapolate that out to every human who touches every item that you might touch?
Like I said, I worked in the food industry for decades. I'm surprised more people don't die just from eating out. It's a super unsafe industry - even though you think it's safe. That 20 year old girl who works at Mickey Dees? You think she never touches the brim of your cup or scratches her nose then bags your order? Ha.
Same goes for grocery stores. Is every person disinfecting?
Yeah, I did restaurant management for several years and one of the hardest things was just ensuring basic food safety in the face of (relative) employee indifference. Basic things like handwashing, not picking things up off the floor, changing gloves after touching personal areas, etc. Then you add all the stuff about making them care that the FOOD actually stays safe by staying at a proper temperature, etc.
It's not that they were malicious, it's just hard to get buy-in to prevent "invisible" dangers.
Especially when the vulnerability to the invisible dangers comes from below-conscious behaviors, and in a busy context.
I see this in myself as I try to put in place sensible anti-virus measures to keep my house "clean" (in the viral sense - I'm still a desultory housekeeper generally ).
I can tell myself (say) I'm going to take my shoes off at the door, but I forget and just carry the bag to the kitchen, now and then, on autopilot. I can adopt a certain method for handling maybe-suspect foods/packages/items, but it's easy to drop and pick up, grab something by reflex and not notice, etc.
The above may suggest a level of fear or obsession that I don't think I have or feel, in practice; but I'm making a point about unconscious chinks in our armor, in the midst of busy routines, despite being well-informed, and making best conscious effort. It doesn't worry me deeply, but I know those chinks are facts. And they're not due to lack of awareness, lack of caring, or any form of intent.
yes i think most people are really trying to do things safely.
But instinct is hard to stop.
I was working doing a drive through vaccine clinic - wearing PPE, gown, hair net, mask, gloves.
The gloves got changed after each car, put in bin outside, hands sanitised before coming in and touching anything inside.
Until the phone rang and I rushed straight in to answer it.....
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I am a lifelong resident of Minnesota. Born in Minneapolis, and lived about 6 blocks from where the tragedy occurred, My family moved to a nearby suburb when I was 8, where I lived until I moved back to Minneapolis after graduating. Married, and eventually moved about 35 miles south of the metro area. My husband works in Minneapolis and goes back today after a weeks vacation. My daughter lives in St Paul, not far from the looting and destruction that occurred there in the last day. This is totally devastating to see the state and city you love going through this. Coming on top of the virus, it’s almost too much to bear😢20
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Err. Sorry i did not say small pox was spread from excrement. I said the initial contamination from covid came from animals in wet food markents from there once it, the virus knows how to move from person to person it goes from person to person. Had hygene been higher in the markets which it was not because of povity and so on.
Again food safety. If you do not wash your salad properly as was suggested in the post i was replying to, where that person lives they have high levles of, word escapes me, virus contamination for want of a better term, obviously you can't be sure what is being transferred from hand to mouth. LIke i said we have and practice good hygene standards and things. our bagged salads are washed in clinically checked clean water. loose salads we do at home and its down to you if you don't follow expected standards.
We too have a slow of the mark government when it comes to covid. Our rule is, Go out, keep hands off face, Keep 2 metres away from others. Returning, keep outside shoes in front porch, change clothes including full shower, disinfect room after you. Do the laundry!0 -
jo_nz- that's great news about NZ- I am living and praying for the day when the US is down in cases and this thing is getting under control. Somday(hopefully sooner rahter than later) it will happen but we in US are so far behind i testing, contact tracing etc. I live in Ga- and our data seems to be all over the place-4 -
May be scales have just dropped from my eyes! Someone saying about contracting things from packed letuce! That had to be enteritis, right? If your food hygiene system is so poor that bagged lettuce is not prepared properly so that covid 19 can be contracted from it, I totaly dispare for any of you.0
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@missysippy930 Altho this isn't covid related, I agree the situation in the Twin Cities is devastating. I have family in Mpls area & my niece manages a Trader Joes in St Paul that was looted. Luckily all were safe. Havent heard about last night.
Related to the virus, altho Iowa is still having quite a few cases we are still reopening most everything. Personally, I have relaxed a little..no longer wipe all groceries, just try to quarantine them for a while if possible. Just couldn't keep it up & stay sane, lol.5 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »@missysippy930 Altho this isn't covid related, I agree the situation in the Twin Cities is devastating. I have family in Mpls area & my niece manages a Trader Joes in St Paul that was looted. Luckily all were safe. Havent heard about last night.
Related to the virus, altho Iowa is still having quite a few cases we are still reopening most everything. Personally, I have relaxed a little..no longer wipe all groceries, just try to quarantine them for a while if possible. Just couldn't keep it up & stay sane, lol.
If I lived in USA I'd be not relaxing at all. Be ultra careful. Please. You have the biggest death rates in the world. Do every thing you can to be safe please. I do and we had no cases in over 50 days here. Wake up please. Go to a hospital if you think this isn't real FFS. Sorry this isn't for you but for the dumb f's that think just because you can't see it then it's not real.8 -
cmriverside wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Well sure. In the U.S. ( not sure where you are, Fuzzi ) we have the same regulations.
I've worked for many years in the food industry.
It's only as safe as its weakest link.
If you go out to the park or the beach, do you disinfect your shoes before you get in the car or before you walk in the house? How about washing your clothes every time you wear them? Without letting them touch anything else in your house? So that would mean disrobing immediately when you get in your house, showering and washing those clothes and disinfecting those shoes.
But then - you have the car to worry about? Are you giving it 10 days between using it? If not, how are you dealing with contaminants in the carpet and on the upholstery?
Now let's extrapolate that out to every human who touches every item that you might touch?
Like I said, I worked in the food industry for decades. I'm surprised more people don't die just from eating out. It's a super unsafe industry - even though you think it's safe. That 20 year old girl who works at Mickey Dees? You think she never touches the brim of your cup or scratches her nose then bags your order? Ha.
Same goes for grocery stores. Is every person disinfecting?
Yeah, I did restaurant management for several years and one of the hardest things was just ensuring basic food safety in the face of (relative) employee indifference. Basic things like handwashing, not picking things up off the floor, changing gloves after touching personal areas, etc. Then you add all the stuff about making them care that the FOOD actually stays safe by staying at a proper temperature, etc.
It's not that they were malicious, it's just hard to get buy-in to prevent "invisible" dangers.
Especially when the vulnerability to the invisible dangers comes from below-conscious behaviors, and in a busy context.
I see this in myself as I try to put in place sensible anti-virus measures to keep my house "clean" (in the viral sense - I'm still a desultory housekeeper generally ).
I can tell myself (say) I'm going to take my shoes off at the door, but I forget and just carry the bag to the kitchen, now and then, on autopilot. I can adopt a certain method for handling maybe-suspect foods/packages/items, but it's easy to drop and pick up, grab something by reflex and not notice, etc.
The above may suggest a level of fear or obsession that I don't think I have or feel, in practice; but I'm making a point about unconscious chinks in our armor, in the midst of busy routines, despite being well-informed, and making best conscious effort. It doesn't worry me deeply, but I know those chinks are facts. And they're not due to lack of awareness, lack of caring, or any form of intent.
Why so much focus on shoes? Yes, my shoes are dirty, and they spread dirt to my floor. They do that normally when there is no covid because the ground is covered in tetanus and e.coli, among millions of other infectious agents. For that reason, I never put my shoes on a surface which ever contacts my face or something likely to touch my face. I wash my hands after doing push-ups, for example. I don’t lick my floors, or drop food on them and then eat it, or set plates on them. The floor is and has always been a non-safe surface. I tend to take my shoes off or change to indoor shoes when I come home simply because my shoes are uncomfortable for wearing around the house, but I would consider this true even if I lived Japanese-style and took my shoes off every time before entering, because I don’t regularly wash my feet as I wash my hands, so my feet are likely to be germy.
Covid isn’t absorbed through the skin, if you can avoid sticking your shoe in your mouth (either directly or indirectly) you should be fine.
Don't put your feet up on the couch, table or bed without washing them. Because once it's on the furniture or in your bed, it's transferable to your hands, body, face. Don't use throw blankets on the couch when it's cold...same thing. Don't pet your dog or cat who sleeps on the floor...etc.
Sorry but if one is that worrined about it, might as well take the dog or cat to the pound as all domestic dogs/cats will be lying/rolling on the floor at sometime and they want/need to be petted.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Well sure. In the U.S. ( not sure where you are, Fuzzi ) we have the same regulations.
I've worked for many years in the food industry.
It's only as safe as its weakest link.
If you go out to the park or the beach, do you disinfect your shoes before you get in the car or before you walk in the house? How about washing your clothes every time you wear them? Without letting them touch anything else in your house? So that would mean disrobing immediately when you get in your house, showering and washing those clothes and disinfecting those shoes.
But then - you have the car to worry about? Are you giving it 10 days between using it? If not, how are you dealing with contaminants in the carpet and on the upholstery?
Now let's extrapolate that out to every human who touches every item that you might touch?
Like I said, I worked in the food industry for decades. I'm surprised more people don't die just from eating out. It's a super unsafe industry - even though you think it's safe. That 20 year old girl who works at Mickey Dees? You think she never touches the brim of your cup or scratches her nose then bags your order? Ha.
Same goes for grocery stores. Is every person disinfecting?
Yeah, I did restaurant management for several years and one of the hardest things was just ensuring basic food safety in the face of (relative) employee indifference. Basic things like handwashing, not picking things up off the floor, changing gloves after touching personal areas, etc. Then you add all the stuff about making them care that the FOOD actually stays safe by staying at a proper temperature, etc.
It's not that they were malicious, it's just hard to get buy-in to prevent "invisible" dangers.
Especially when the vulnerability to the invisible dangers comes from below-conscious behaviors, and in a busy context.
I see this in myself as I try to put in place sensible anti-virus measures to keep my house "clean" (in the viral sense - I'm still a desultory housekeeper generally ).
I can tell myself (say) I'm going to take my shoes off at the door, but I forget and just carry the bag to the kitchen, now and then, on autopilot. I can adopt a certain method for handling maybe-suspect foods/packages/items, but it's easy to drop and pick up, grab something by reflex and not notice, etc.
The above may suggest a level of fear or obsession that I don't think I have or feel, in practice; but I'm making a point about unconscious chinks in our armor, in the midst of busy routines, despite being well-informed, and making best conscious effort. It doesn't worry me deeply, but I know those chinks are facts. And they're not due to lack of awareness, lack of caring, or any form of intent.
Why so much focus on shoes? Yes, my shoes are dirty, and they spread dirt to my floor. They do that normally when there is no covid because the ground is covered in tetanus and e.coli, among millions of other infectious agents. For that reason, I never put my shoes on a surface which ever contacts my face or something likely to touch my face. I wash my hands after doing push-ups, for example. I don’t lick my floors, or drop food on them and then eat it, or set plates on them. The floor is and has always been a non-safe surface. I tend to take my shoes off or change to indoor shoes when I come home simply because my shoes are uncomfortable for wearing around the house, but I would consider this true even if I lived Japanese-style and took my shoes off every time before entering, because I don’t regularly wash my feet as I wash my hands, so my feet are likely to be germy.
Covid isn’t absorbed through the skin, if you can avoid sticking your shoe in your mouth (either directly or indirectly) you should be fine.
Don't put your feet up on the couch, table or bed without washing them. Because once it's on the furniture or in your bed, it's transferable to your hands, body, face. Don't use throw blankets on the couch when it's cold...same thing. Don't pet your dog or cat who sleeps on the floor...etc.
Sorry but if one is that worrined about it, might as well take the dog or cat to the pound as all domestic dogs/cats will be lying/rolling on the floor at sometime and they want/need to be petted.
No kidding.
No one is going to be 100% "safe" - that was my point that seems to have gone over your head. I have a cat who walks across my head/pillow at night. However, if I keep my outdoor shoes outdoors I remove the covid danger from my floors. My cat does not go outside, either.
Animals are just another layer in the complexity of trying to keep stuff clean.9 -
Hard to believe anyone would suggest taking a pet to the pound.
Oh wait, people take pets to shelters because they don't match the couch - so, sure. That's a solution.6 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
Related to the virus, altho Iowa is still having quite a few cases we are still reopening most everything. Personally, I have relaxed a little..no longer wipe all groceries, just try to quarantine them for a while if possible. Just couldn't keep it up & stay sane, lol.
I've seen many experts saying the risks of the virus being alive on food packaging and surviving the trip home is super small, so this is probably a good place to relax a little for your sanity I come straight in, put the groceries away, throw out the bags, all while still not touching my face, then wash my hands and wipe down the kitchen surfaces.12 -
"Our local supermarkets are appealing to shoppers to examine items with their eyes instead of their hands before making a selection. This protects you from having to buy the items I already touched and left on the shelf."
Our's ask the same. Unfortunately, the key nutritional info for diabetics is on the back and if I need to compare items, to pick the one with the lowest carbs per 100g, I need to turn the packets round. If all supermarkets stocked the same cereal so that i could buy the same stuff each time, I'd be fine - but they don't.8 -
[/quote]RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »@missysippy930 Altho this isn't covid related, I agree the situation in the Twin Cities is devastating. I have family in Mpls area & my niece manages a Trader Joes in St Paul that was looted. Luckily all were safe. Havent heard about last night.
Related to the virus, altho Iowa is still having quite a few cases we are still reopening most everything. Personally, I have relaxed a little..no longer wipe all groceries, just try to quarantine them for a while if possible. Just couldn't keep it up & stay sane, lol.
For every Minnesotan, this tragedy will always be linked with Covid in our minds. It looks like a war zone. The highest amount of deaths recorded from Covid yesterday. The National Guard has been called in, and the leaders are meeting right now to decide on declaring martial law. I don’t know which is scarier.12 -
Strudders67 wrote: »"Our local supermarkets are appealing to shoppers to examine items with their eyes instead of their hands before making a selection. This protects you from having to buy the items I already touched and left on the shelf."
Our's ask the same. Unfortunately, the key nutritional info for diabetics is on the back and if I need to compare items, to pick the one with the lowest carbs per 100g, I need to turn the packets round. If all supermarkets stocked the same cereal so that i could buy the same stuff each time, I'd be fine - but they don't.
Had to go to Dollar General today to pick up some mask making materials and caffeine for a brewing migraine. A store that already annoys the heck out of me is suffocating now! The aisles are always narrow and difficult to maneuver through due to random boxes/displays/inventory everywhere, but they seemed especially small today... and the directional arrows make it even more difficult to navigate when I don’t know where I need to go for what. Directional arrows + narrow aisles = aaaahhhhhh! for me. So many times I wanted to stop to look at something, only to have someone come up behind me and I had to move so they could get by (only room enough for one)... and then twice they didn’t go by, but took my place to look at the same thing I was trying to look at. Gaaaahhhh! Migraine probably made me that much more sensitive to things, but by the time I left I wanted to run out screaming.10
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