What are some of your unpopular opinions about food?
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pancakerunner wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Everything in moderation lol........ my moderation is not your moderation and no two moderations are the same.
Curious if you would disagree with this: "if it's not consistent with a calorie appropriate and overall healthy diet with sufficient nutrients, then it's not moderation unless we are talking a rare occasion."
I would disagree. This is not moderation. This is back to the only thing that works, calories counting.
Some people have a smear of peanut butter on their toast and feel satisfied. They are moderating their calories intake by that. I cant do that. Thats why no two moderations are the same.
I agree that calorie counting is what works for WEIGHT LOSS. But optimal health goes so much further. This is where the idea of "everything in moderation" needs to be thrown out... for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up.
You mean like Halo Top (as per your other thread)
LOL
And really, pancakerunner, this is kind of the source of my reaction. You go on and on about super processed kids foods (IMO) that I didn't even like as a kid and then lecture everyone on "processed foods" generally, as if they weren't totally varied and as if overall diet wasn't what mattered.
I do agree to some extend about processed seed oils and omega 6 to 3 balance (omega 3s are a big thing for me and the only oils I use are olive, avocado, and coconut -- all processed, as is butter). When I log it's at Cron to see nutrients, and I especially care about fiber (which I get only from natural sources), potassium, and omega 3, but like to hit all my nutrients when logging.
So no, I don't think occasional processed foods inherently have some bad effect on health. I think most should focus on eating more veg and the like more than what they don't eat. If you are eating tons of pop tarts or a pint of Halo Top or what not a day, I'd say that's not really moderation (although the Halo Top is low cal, of course).
Claiming one must eat 100% clean (and not treats in moderation, whatever "treats" means to you, to me it definitely includes good cheese) to be healthy is not supported by anything credible and likely makes things harder for many (unnecessarily so).
Again, I'm no saint. Just sharing some science and an opinion
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pancakerunner wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Everything in moderation lol........ my moderation is not your moderation and no two moderations are the same.
Curious if you would disagree with this: "if it's not consistent with a calorie appropriate and overall healthy diet with sufficient nutrients, then it's not moderation unless we are talking a rare occasion."
I would disagree. This is not moderation. This is back to the only thing that works, calories counting.
Some people have a smear of peanut butter on their toast and feel satisfied. They are moderating their calories intake by that. I cant do that. Thats why no two moderations are the same.
I agree that calorie counting is what works for WEIGHT LOSS. But optimal health goes so much further. This is where the idea of "everything in moderation" needs to be thrown out... for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up.
You mean like Halo Top (as per your other thread)
LOL
And really, pancakerunner, this is kind of the source of my reaction. You go on and on about super processed kids foods (IMO) that I didn't even like as a kid and then lecture everyone on "processed foods" generally, as if they weren't totally varied and as if overall diet wasn't what mattered.
I do agree to some extend about processed seed oils and omega 6 to 3 balance (omega 3s are a big thing for me and the only oils I use are olive, avocado, and coconut -- all processed, as is butter). When I log it's at Cron to see nutrients, and I especially care about fiber (which I get only from natural sources), potassium, and omega 3, but like to hit all my nutrients when logging.
So no, I don't think occasional processed foods inherently have some bad effect on health. I think most should focus on eating more veg and the like more than what they don't eat. If you are eating tons of pop tarts or a pint of Halo Top or what not a day, I'd say that's not really moderation (although the Halo Top is low cal, of course).
I'm just really confused because of the disconnect. I don't go claiming that meat is bad and shouldn't be consumed in any amount for optimal health with sources, then start another thread called "show me your favourite grilled meats!" I am not sure what is going on there @pancakerunner maybe you could explain? Why do you say one thing then act in the opposite direction? Just curious.
I am simply sharing an opinion and some science that supports it. I do not claim to live or eat this way. But there is credible, and quite extensive, research to back it. Also, I'm not preaching everyone should live this way and am not discrediting others opinions or ways of life.1 -
pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Everything in moderation lol........ my moderation is not your moderation and no two moderations are the same.
Curious if you would disagree with this: "if it's not consistent with a calorie appropriate and overall healthy diet with sufficient nutrients, then it's not moderation unless we are talking a rare occasion."
I would disagree. This is not moderation. This is back to the only thing that works, calories counting.
Some people have a smear of peanut butter on their toast and feel satisfied. They are moderating their calories intake by that. I cant do that. Thats why no two moderations are the same.
I agree that calorie counting is what works for WEIGHT LOSS. But optimal health goes so much further. This is where the idea of "everything in moderation" needs to be thrown out... for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up.
You mean like Halo Top (as per your other thread)
LOL
And really, pancakerunner, this is kind of the source of my reaction. You go on and on about super processed kids foods (IMO) that I didn't even like as a kid and then lecture everyone on "processed foods" generally, as if they weren't totally varied and as if overall diet wasn't what mattered.
I do agree to some extend about processed seed oils and omega 6 to 3 balance (omega 3s are a big thing for me and the only oils I use are olive, avocado, and coconut -- all processed, as is butter). When I log it's at Cron to see nutrients, and I especially care about fiber (which I get only from natural sources), potassium, and omega 3, but like to hit all my nutrients when logging.
So no, I don't think occasional processed foods inherently have some bad effect on health. I think most should focus on eating more veg and the like more than what they don't eat. If you are eating tons of pop tarts or a pint of Halo Top or what not a day, I'd say that's not really moderation (although the Halo Top is low cal, of course).
I'm just really confused because of the disconnect. I don't go claiming that meat is bad and shouldn't be consumed in any amount for optimal health with sources, then start another thread called "show me your favourite grilled meats!" I am not sure what is going on there @pancakerunner maybe you could explain? Why do you say one thing then act in the opposite direction? Just curious.
I am simply sharing an opinion and some science that supports it. I do not claim to live or eat this way. But there is credible, and quite extensive, research to back it. Also, I'm not preaching everyone should live this way and am not discrediting others opinions or ways of life.
Ok no problem I was just curious, it's just interesting to me. But I suppose it's like me saying "don't compare yourself to people on Instagram, it's not healthy" and then I turn around and do that exact thing knowing how awful it is 5 -
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pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Everything in moderation lol........ my moderation is not your moderation and no two moderations are the same.
Curious if you would disagree with this: "if it's not consistent with a calorie appropriate and overall healthy diet with sufficient nutrients, then it's not moderation unless we are talking a rare occasion."
I would disagree. This is not moderation. This is back to the only thing that works, calories counting.
Some people have a smear of peanut butter on their toast and feel satisfied. They are moderating their calories intake by that. I cant do that. Thats why no two moderations are the same.
I agree that calorie counting is what works for WEIGHT LOSS. But optimal health goes so much further. This is where the idea of "everything in moderation" needs to be thrown out... for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up.
You mean like Halo Top (as per your other thread)
LOL
And really, pancakerunner, this is kind of the source of my reaction. You go on and on about super processed kids foods (IMO) that I didn't even like as a kid and then lecture everyone on "processed foods" generally, as if they weren't totally varied and as if overall diet wasn't what mattered.
I do agree to some extend about processed seed oils and omega 6 to 3 balance (omega 3s are a big thing for me and the only oils I use are olive, avocado, and coconut -- all processed, as is butter). When I log it's at Cron to see nutrients, and I especially care about fiber (which I get only from natural sources), potassium, and omega 3, but like to hit all my nutrients when logging.
So no, I don't think occasional processed foods inherently have some bad effect on health. I think most should focus on eating more veg and the like more than what they don't eat. If you are eating tons of pop tarts or a pint of Halo Top or what not a day, I'd say that's not really moderation (although the Halo Top is low cal, of course).
I'm just really confused because of the disconnect. I don't go claiming that meat is bad and shouldn't be consumed in any amount for optimal health with sources, then start another thread called "show me your favourite grilled meats!" I am not sure what is going on there @pancakerunner maybe you could explain? Why do you say one thing then act in the opposite direction? Just curious.
I am simply sharing an opinion and some science that supports it. I do not claim to live or eat this way. But there is credible, and quite extensive, research to back it. Also, I'm not preaching everyone should live this way and am not discrediting others opinions or ways of life.
I think that's fine, as a generality,
Still, I agree with others, that when I think of the totality of my impression of you, solely based on what I read on MFP, I tend to think of you as a booster and advocate of processed foods, specifically highly processed and not very nutrient dense ones. In that context, a broad statement like "for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up" seems to come from out of left field.
What I said in the previous paragraph is 100% just my impression. But I guess I wonder what general message or image you'd really like to be putting out in MFP-world, and whether the totally of your posts has that trajectory.
For clarity: No one has an obligation to come here to be self-consistent, to send what they think are "technically correct" or helpful messages, to avoid using the forum community just to have fun and joke and so forth. If you like to create posts about treats and treat foods just for fun, while also thinking they're dangerous, that's also fine. But I think it would be rational to expect a shocked reaction from others when you suddenly post that they're dangerous.5 -
Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.3
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LinkedEmpire wrote: »Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.
Do you mean mixing? I do not like bansna in anything, only eaten alone.
Peanut butter on the other hand.......0 -
LinkedEmpire wrote: »Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.
Do you mean mixing? I do not like bansna in anything, only eaten alone.
Peanut butter on the other hand.......LinkedEmpire wrote: »Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.
Do you mean mixing? I do not like bansna in anything, only eaten alone.
Peanut butter on the other hand.......
I'm pretty much the opposite - I wouldn't just consume a banana by itself - ick to me... It has to be either be a pb on toast w/ sliced banana or on oatmeal/banana cake, etc.,0 -
Carbs (along with calories) make a difference, at least for some people.1
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I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!2
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rosegreen12 wrote: »Carbs (along with calories) make a difference, at least for some people.
I agree from MY experience, period. When I was younger it was different. Now at 47 my body does not do as well with high carb at all. A moderately lower carb, higher in both protein and/ or fat.0 -
dawkson2017 wrote: »I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!
Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.0 -
pancakerunner wrote: »dawkson2017 wrote: »I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!
Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.
Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well.
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pancakerunner wrote: »dawkson2017 wrote: »I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!
Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.
Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well.
Lychee/rambutan and papaya are my favorite tropical fruits.1 -
pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »dawkson2017 wrote: »I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!
Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.
Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well.
Lychee/rambutan and papaya are my favorite tropical fruits.
Yeah, fresh lychee, rambutan are good - also the somewhat similar longan. Rambutan is more fun when whole, though.
I'm quite fond of mamey sapote, too, but it's unusual to see them here that are nicely ripe but not rotting.
Guavas are also nice. Some types remind me a little of the Northern wild mayapple fruits, both in appearance and some of the flavor elements.1 -
pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »dawkson2017 wrote: »I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!
Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.
Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well.
Lychee/rambutan and papaya are my favorite tropical fruits.
Yeah, fresh lychee, rambutan are good - also the somewhat similar longan. Rambutan is more fun when whole, though.
I'm quite fond of mamey sapote, too, but it's unusual to see them here that are nicely ripe but not rotting.
Guavas are also nice. Some types remind me a little of the Northern wild mayapple fruits, both in appearance and some of the flavor elements.
I also like permissions... depending on how prepared. Guava is good too! Another one I HATE though is the horned cucumber. awful.0 -
Palm oil is poison.2
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »
Definitely not and no, respectively. I like my sweets sweet and my savories savory ¯\_(ツ)_/¯1 -
Shropshire1959 wrote: »Palm oil is poison.
And how is this?1 -
Peanuts are only good as a butter - as a stand alone but I’m not really a fan...though I like the peanut man...but that’s really it...peanut as a butter and the actual peanut man...well wait I also like it as a brittle...hmmm...I may have to do some more research and continue this later....5
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