Coronavirus prep
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What I see here in Virginia is I think a big problem for the US that I have no idea how to fix. Alot of the state is rural and most of the cities are not too densely populated, and so we haven't been hit hard at all. The hospitals are well prepared for any cases they get. But covid is still here. We have new cases and deaths every day. Not enough to scare anyone, so there's lots of folks who aren't taking it seriously, but not low enough to stop spreading. Which means all it will take is one big church or one beach party and there's a super spreader. One vacation to a hot spot followed by a meal at a local restaurant.
Until the whole country is onboard and being vigilant, this thing can hide in these little pockets looking harmless and then find opportunities to blow up again. Without more consistent vigilance and without centralized guidelines and protocols for how to deal with flare ups when they're minor, we are never going to see the success other countries have seen.
The southern hotspots are the perfect example. They had 3+ months to learn from Washington and NY and it doesn't seem like any learning was done other than the healthcare folks knowing more about how to treat it. There are still people walking around Houston without masks as their ICUs hit capacity! We need more people on board and actually practicing the most basic precautions we should be7 -
I think people are mostly doing the right thing here in Washington.
In stores and out on the trails, most people are paying attention. Mask use in stores is almost 100% and there is no one enforcing it. People are just complying.
Except the employees who have got to just be suffering from long-term complacency. They make no attempts to give six feet nor worry about touching stuff and then touching other stuff. It's impossible to make humans change this much.
Washington is doing okay. Our death and hospitalization rate is way down. The nursing home thing seems to be under control so that helps.Testing has doubled since June 1. Positive rates are still around 6%.
It's really really hard on us older people though. It just is. No socializing at all. It's - I'm over it.
/self-pity.
At least this new swine flu will be less likely to spread with all the travel restrictions. Sigh.9 -
Here's my counter to the, "We're all gonna die now," media frenzy.
https://www.cnet.com/news/heres-the-truth-about-the-new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential/4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Here's my counter to the, "We're all gonna die now," media frenzy.
https://www.cnet.com/news/heres-the-truth-about-the-new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential/
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Dr. Gupta was talking on MSNBC yesterday about how the countries that have done better than the U.S. have much more "tests per confirmed case." We have 12 tests for each confirmed case here in the U.S. Other countries test rates per confirmed case are much higher: New Zealand - 270, Estonia - about 70, South Korea - about 90. And yet we have 12 per confirmed case. Testing is an important piece of the puzzle.
Trying to understand the point you're making. Does this make the USA "good" or "bad"?
If I understand it correctly, it seems like they're finding 1 sick person for every 12 tested. Where I live there is only 1 sick person for every 80 people tested. On the other hand, the chart seems to be showing the USA tests just over 3 times as many persons per million of population than we're doing here. Another point though is that we had very few deaths from our COVID cases.1 -
Following this conversation and the situation in the US especially makes me sad, honestly. I live in Finland (roughly the size of Minnesota, population-wise) and when we went into lockdown, we stayed there. Nobody tried to do politics with it (the opposition parties complained the restrictions weren’t severe enough) and pretty much everyone followed instructions.
Current situation in Finland:
0 patients in intensive care right now
23 patients in hospital care right now
328 total deaths
7209 total infections
Current situation in Minnesota for comparison:
140 in ICU right now
278 in hospital right now
1435 total deaths
35861 total infections
From what I’ve understood, Minnesota isn’t in particularly bad shape compared to other states, but correct me if I’m wrong.
When we went into lockdown mid-March, we really went in. A state of emergency was declared, enabling emergency powers for the government. At least the following restrictions happened and stayed in effect for at least a month:
- all non-essential public services (libraries, sports and culture facilities etc) were closed
- All colleges, universities and schools from 4th grade up closed and went to remote education
- All children were ordered to be kept home, except children of essential workers in daycare or up to 3rd grade whose parents couldn’t organise at-home care and supervision due to work (4th grade and up are expected to stay home alone)
- All public offices were ordered to remote work, and the entire private sector was strongly recommended to do the same
- Visiting hospitals and nursing homes was banned
- All large gatherings were banned and social distancing strongly recommended
- Everyone over 70 years old and those with risk factors were strongly recommended to self-quarantine
- Non-urgent medical care and preventative healthcare were mostly closed and appointments were canceled or rescheduled to reallocate resources to covid care
- Some private healthcare facilities and workers were ordered to halt regular business and to switch to covid care
- National supply stockpiles were released for the first time since world wars
- ”Emergency work” orders were prepared but I think not mandated. If mandated, everyone with adequate medical training, including retired nurses and those who retrained for another career after working as nurses or other healthcare pros, could have been drafted for work
- Restaurants and bars were closed, only take-away was allowed
- Borders were mostly closed and returning citizens were directed to 2 weeks of self-quarantine
- Most of the cases were in capital city Helsinki and the surrounding province Uusimaa (about a 40-mile radius around the city), so the area was separated from the rest of the country with a military-enforced border for a month to prevent spreading the virus to the countryside where population is more elderly and there are less hospital beds. This lasted for about a month with only essential traffic like supply logistics and commuting essential workers allowed through.
We really did all these things and stayed home. The internal border was the first to be lifted, schools opened for the last two weeks of May, and most restrictions started to be lifted in the beginning of June. People are still cautious and social distancing, infection rates haven’t gone up and the country is slowly returning to normal. There’s no mask requirement and most people don’t wear them because there’s no need. Public transportation feels safe. People still voluntarily and kinda instinctly avoid big crowds, office workers continue working from home, and a large part of the population has relocated to summer houses in the countryside to further isolate. The government, including health officials, is promoting domestic travel and tourism to boost the economy since the side effects of crashing economy are currently bigger risks for public health than the potential exposure from domestic travel. Gyms are open, but group fitness classes are canceled or take less people in, and everybody wipes down machines and weights after using them.
The public consensus is that there isn’t enough virus here for a second epidemic wave to happen, unless people abandon social distancing and hand-washing altogether or the new wave is brought from abroad.
I know societies and cultures are very different, but the situation here shows it can be done. People accepted the science-based decisions and trusted that the restrictions were for our own good, and did what we were told for the entire time period we were told to do so. As a result, today I can safely take the subway to the office, go out for lunch, and go to the gym after work without wearing a mask or worrying about infections. Yes, I will keep my distance to others in these activities and wash or sanitize my hands whenever arriving someplace, but the point is, I can do all these things today because all of us stayed home for 2,5 months.
That is the difference between the US and your country! We in America are living in highly politicize and negative times, and the words of totally unfit people take priority over science. Restrictions of any kind, even for our own good or for the health of the communities, are demonized. Personal freedom is more important than personal health for some people.13 -
The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.21 -
baconslave wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.
Actually, there are many universities that are designating entire dorm buildings for students who need to be in quarantine, either because of a positive test or known exposure.
My question is, what happens to the COVID-positive student. Do they get to continue their classes remotely or do they just have to take an Incomplete for the semester? What happens then since they are quarantined for 14 days and cannot attend an in-person class? They must have a plan for that, but if they do our local university isn't bothering to share it.
The ones I have read about say they can continue their classes remotely.
As with all of these re-opening plans, whether at universities or at businesses, there seem to be more questions than answers.3 -
The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.
The problem with the mask messaging isn’t that the experts changed their minds but that they provided false information. It’s not news that masks prevent transmission of airborne viruses - Asian nations have done studies on it for decades. Americans were told they didn’t help not because the experts believed that and later changed their minds, but because they initially wanted the general public to stop stockpiling masks so that medical professionals would have enough. Americans are STILL being told the obvious untruth that “cloth face coverings work just as well unless you are a doctor.” Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren’t. The person wearing them doesn’t change the quality of the mask and its effectiveness.
Learning is a good thing. Lying is a bad thing.14 -
rheddmobile wrote: »The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.
The problem with the mask messaging isn’t that the experts changed their minds but that they provided false information. It’s not news that masks prevent transmission of airborne viruses - Asian nations have done studies on it for decades. Americans were told they didn’t help not because the experts believed that and later changed their minds, but because they initially wanted the general public to stop stockpiling masks so that medical professionals would have enough. Americans are STILL being told the obvious untruth that “cloth face coverings work just as well unless you are a doctor.” Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren’t. The person wearing them doesn’t change the quality of the mask and its effectiveness.
Learning is a good thing. Lying is a bad thing.
First bolded: We disagree somewhat on this, as we have in the past. I think that's partially true. I think it's also partially true that initially, it was less evident how the virus was spread interpersonally. It would've been a good idea, then, IMO, to err on the side of caution and recommend homemade masks. I agree that concerns about mask supply were given too much weight (or maybe not "too much" given what happened with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and (WTH?) bottled water, but that's another discussion.) I think human experts are also entitled to be mistaken, and even temporarily wrong-headed, though I find that less admirable than simple learning.
Second bolded: Maybe I'm viewing selectively, but I haven't seen anything like that recently at all. I've seen "less effective than N95 masks, but still meaningfully helpful; and homemade are easy to get". Locally, the health professionals were using home-made masks for a time (hospital system was accepting donations of them, and using them), when commercial masks were in critically short supply, so if behavior is an endorsement, that's an endorsement.
"Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren't" isn't IMO the way to look at it. The question is whether cloth masks are better than no masks. Isolation bubbles with microfiltered air supplies and hazmat suits would probably be more effective than n95 masks, but no one's suggesting that. Practicality is a dimension.13 -
I suppose I lean heavily toward the idea that the CDC lied to us versus they learned something new.
Which gives me very little confidence that they have individual well being high on the list at all.
I started wearing a mask to the grocery in March before almost anyone was because it was obvious that ANY protection was better than none to sneezes and coughs. Those droplets which carry the virus are big enough to be stopped by a mask. It was also known early on that asymptomatic folks could shed the virus to others. I also requested to work remotely mid March as soon as a single case was identified in our State. Before the SIP orders started or the closing downs started.
It makes me ANGRY in a lot of ways because even a bandana is better than nothing and I seriously doubt folks like me were going to stock pile medical grade masks or even have the ability to mass purchase them.
Just venting but I can't agree that they "learned" something. They knew this early on from China.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Dr. Gupta was talking on MSNBC yesterday about how the countries that have done better than the U.S. have much more "tests per confirmed case." We have 12 tests for each confirmed case here in the U.S. Other countries test rates per confirmed case are much higher: New Zealand - 270, Estonia - about 70, South Korea - about 90. And yet we have 12 per confirmed case. Testing is an important piece of the puzzle.
Trying to understand the point you're making. Does this make the USA "good" or "bad"?
If I understand it correctly, it seems like they're finding 1 sick person for every 12 tested. Where I live there is only 1 sick person for every 80 people tested. On the other hand, the chart seems to be showing the USA tests just over 3 times as many persons per million of population than we're doing here. Another point though is that we had very few deaths from our COVID cases.
It isn't "good" nor "bad." This isn't about a personal judgement. The point is that the U.S. should expand testing.7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.
The problem with the mask messaging isn’t that the experts changed their minds but that they provided false information. It’s not news that masks prevent transmission of airborne viruses - Asian nations have done studies on it for decades. Americans were told they didn’t help not because the experts believed that and later changed their minds, but because they initially wanted the general public to stop stockpiling masks so that medical professionals would have enough. Americans are STILL being told the obvious untruth that “cloth face coverings work just as well unless you are a doctor.” Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren’t. The person wearing them doesn’t change the quality of the mask and its effectiveness.
Learning is a good thing. Lying is a bad thing.
First bolded: We disagree somewhat on this, as we have in the past. I think that's partially true. I think it's also partially true that initially, it was less evident how the virus was spread interpersonally. It would've been a good idea, then, IMO, to err on the side of caution and recommend homemade masks. I agree that concerns about mask supply were given too much weight (or maybe not "too much" given what happened with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and (WTH?) bottled water, but that's another discussion.) I think human experts are also entitled to be mistaken, and even temporarily wrong-headed, though I find that less admirable than simple learning.
Second bolded: Maybe I'm viewing selectively, but I haven't seen anything like that recently at all. I've seen "less effective than N95 masks, but still meaningfully helpful; and homemade are easy to get". Locally, the health professionals were using home-made masks for a time (hospital system was accepting donations of them, and using them), when commercial masks were in critically short supply, so if behavior is an endorsement, that's an endorsement.
"Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren't" isn't IMO the way to look at it. The question is whether cloth masks are better than no masks. Isolation bubbles with microfiltered air supplies and hazmat suits would probably be more effective than n95 masks, but no one's suggesting that. Practicality is a dimension.
My understanding is that cloth or paper masks help most when worn by an infected person (regardless of whether they have symptoms) and that the N95 helps most when worn by a non-infected person. Keeping N95 for healthcare workers was to keep them (the people wearing N95) from getting infected.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.
The problem with the mask messaging isn’t that the experts changed their minds but that they provided false information. It’s not news that masks prevent transmission of airborne viruses - Asian nations have done studies on it for decades. Americans were told they didn’t help not because the experts believed that and later changed their minds, but because they initially wanted the general public to stop stockpiling masks so that medical professionals would have enough. Americans are STILL being told the obvious untruth that “cloth face coverings work just as well unless you are a doctor.” Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren’t. The person wearing them doesn’t change the quality of the mask and its effectiveness.
Learning is a good thing. Lying is a bad thing.
First bolded: We disagree somewhat on this, as we have in the past. I think that's partially true. I think it's also partially true that initially, it was less evident how the virus was spread interpersonally. It would've been a good idea, then, IMO, to err on the side of caution and recommend homemade masks. I agree that concerns about mask supply were given too much weight (or maybe not "too much" given what happened with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and (WTH?) bottled water, but that's another discussion.) I think human experts are also entitled to be mistaken, and even temporarily wrong-headed, though I find that less admirable than simple learning.
Second bolded: Maybe I'm viewing selectively, but I haven't seen anything like that recently at all. I've seen "less effective than N95 masks, but still meaningfully helpful; and homemade are easy to get". Locally, the health professionals were using home-made masks for a time (hospital system was accepting donations of them, and using them), when commercial masks were in critically short supply, so if behavior is an endorsement, that's an endorsement.
"Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren't" isn't IMO the way to look at it. The question is whether cloth masks are better than no masks. Isolation bubbles with microfiltered air supplies and hazmat suits would probably be more effective than n95 masks, but no one's suggesting that. Practicality is a dimension.
Unfortunately, I know far too many people who think that because health experts have changed their recommendations and understanding over the last several months, there's no reason to think anything they are saying now is good info. It's mindboggling to me, but I think it piggybacks on people who will roll their eyes at any expert health recommendations and respond with "First eggs are good for you, then eggs are bad for you, coffee is good for you, coffee will kill you. They don't know anything for sure!" This general mistrust of the medical community paired with a lack of understanding of the scientific process continues to bite us in the buttinsky.
A relative expressed disbelief that "we haven't figured this virus out yet. It's been months!"9 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »The tp situation in Iowa is much better than it was, but still hard to find hand sanitizer, hand or household wipes, and hand soap. Most of the food we eat has been available most of the time. We buy beef from our cousin & have a chest freezer, so not running out of meat anytime soon. Mask wearing is kind of hit & miss. My gs estimated the other day about 75% compliance at Walmart that day. A different Walmart a different day & dh said he was about the only one with a mask. Our numbers are confusing, because they are using a moving number, but seem to be holding around 3-400 new cases per day. For awhile, a lot of our cases were from meat processing plants & nursing homes, too. Not sure about now.
Still having shortages?! Here the fear is that some businesses will be caught with surplus of certain products now that the emergency needs have lessened.
Mask wearing is compulsory for visiting any retail store, so that's nearer to 100% indoors, but not so much on the streets. (I seldom wear one, because I'm not the shopper in our house). Wore a mask to the bank two months ago to make the first of a series of recurring payments. Immediately set up an online option so I didn't have to go back there the second month.2 -
There are also issues with the 'experts' who sent sick Covid patients into nursing homes, where they infected and ultimately killed thousands of old people. And then the issue of counting as a Covid death anyone who is suspected of having the virus, even if they were shot or in a car accident or had been dieing of cancer.2
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »There are also issues with the 'experts' who sent sick Covid patients into nursing homes, where they infected and ultimately killed thousands of old people. And then the issue of counting as a Covid death anyone who is suspected of having the virus, even if they were shot or in a car accident or had been dieing of cancer.
This is not the first I have heard rumors of over-reported Covid deaths, but have yet to know of a specific case. On the other hand, I personally know of a case where the patient had all the symptoms of Covid and died, but was not ruled as a Covid death due to a negative test result. Never mind that the company doing tests at that location was found to have a flaw that caused a lot of false negatives... it still didn't count. I can name at least one possibly under-reported death from someone I knew personally. Can anyone name the over-reported deaths?15 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »There are also issues with the 'experts' who sent sick Covid patients into nursing homes, where they infected and ultimately killed thousands of old people. And then the issue of counting as a Covid death anyone who is suspected of having the virus, even if they were shot or in a car accident or had been dieing of cancer.
My understanding is if you compare CDC numbers of deaths by various causes this year to last, rates of death by other causes are about the same, and deaths by flu and pneumonia are actually higher than last year. I will admit freely that I haven't seen the numbers myself.
I've seen some tabloid style clickbait stories and Twitter memes that assert deaths are being misattributed to covid so flagrantly, but nothing credible or backed up by any sort of official citation.10 -
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
Interesting piece on how flu death rates are calculated (spoiler: it's not by counting)
It's my impression that Covid death rates are being under-reported in many countries with inadequate health care systems. People are just dying, without having received medical attention or any testing, so the deaths that are due to Covid are going uncounted.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Stuff I can’t get that I need: chickpeas. Seriously, is there some deal with chickpeas? No one locally has had any in stock for months now.
My wild theory: people started buying them to use the aquafaba as an egg replacement, because eggs were sold out.5
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