Coronavirus prep
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@Juliemouse83, visiting people in the hospital and they're *still* not masking up? Unbelievable. What will it take to convince some people??? Oh wait, there's a news story about all those Covid parties going on, involving people who don't believe it's real. And 1 of the young participants is just barely living with the final throes of Covid, regretting that he didn't believe the reality. Why do so many people not believe until it's too late? Certainly they don't want to infect the person they care enough to visit do they? SMH So, I guess the only way to make them believe is for them to contract this miserable nasty life-changing virus.
Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Seriously. Are these people who not only don't believe covid is real but also don't believe in contagious diseases in general, and don't believe that people who are already seriously sick, whose immune systems already have enough to contend with, should be protected from whatever random cold or virus you may asympotmatically, presymptomatically, or postsymptomatically be carrying?
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.
So, here’s the thing about hand sanitizer. According to CDC guidelines, we are supposed to clean our hands when donning masks, and again before doffing them, and again after taking them off. Now, when I’m in my car, about to go into a grocery store, I don’t have soap and water, so hand sanitizer, it is. Put on the mask, sanitize. Do the shopping, sanitize. Check out? Sanitize. Get the groceries loaded? Sanitize and take the blasted mask off.
People laugh at folks wearing their masks in their car on the highway and all I can think is that maybe they didn’t have sanitizer on them. 🤷♀️
I have sanitizer, but it still seems easier to wash my hands at home, put on my mask, leave my house, run all my errands (using hand sanitizer before and after each stop), go home, wash my hands, take my mask off, and wash my hands. Plus, if I were to take the mask off between stops, I would have to have some way to store it that would ensure face-facing surface never touched a surface that the outside-facing surface touched, and vice versa.
Me, too. Have hand sanitizer in the car, but it's just easier not to touch the mask until I get home. Fomite transmission, although real, is thought to play a small role; nonetheless I still wear gloves in public. I keep them in a plastic sack in my car, and typically several days (sufficient for viral decomposition) pass between uses. I put them on before going in store then doff them by putting my hands in the plastic bag and touching the outside of the bag only with my bare hands. Then sanitize. Probably does not good but certainly does no harm.
Great analogy re: smoking in restaurants!
To me the main advantage of gloves would be making me more aware if I was absent-mindedly touching my face, but I feel like the mask keeps me pretty hyper-aware of that. For me, it feels easier to wash and sanitize my hands (which, as you point out, you're doing away) than to deal with gloves, but if you feel like it's adding a margin of safety, I'm all for it. I can't understand people criticizing other people's efforts aimed at personal safety and public health.
I do wear gloves sometimes for the extra cleaning around the house with bleach products, which in the past I used less, preferring, especially in the kitchen, to use vinegar, baking soda, and a "green" product intended for cleaning produce that I have found effective for sticky messes.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Would love to know who disagreed with my post about death certificates and why, since it’s simply facts and not opinions, and disagreeing with facts doesn’t make a lot of sense to me!
It wasn't me, but these days I pretty much expect to pick up one or two disagrees on any post. It's not worth worrying about.7 -
Never, ever, would I have imagined the controversy that face masks have been... and how they have become political?? Seriously?? Blows my mind. I have a friend who is very VERY against them, to the point of angry tears. We (myself and two other ladies) walk together each week and the transformation of mindsets and opinions on the world during this time has been interesting to observe. I am the odd ball that wears a mask consistently, as does my family, and do so willingly to show my love for those around me - We don’t wear them for us, we wear them for others. They see it from a completely different viewpoint and I walk silently during their rants each week, not knowing what to say in such heated moments.19
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Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
In our area, when shutdown orders first went into place, you had to enter from the door at the middle of the bus, and they suspended fares. I'm not sure if the mirrors for drivers are good enough to let them see whether someone at the middle of the bus is wearing a mask, and how they would deal with it if there was one person not wearing a mask and another who was (pretty sure the non-mask-wearer would not comply with a request not to board if the driver opened the door for the mask-wearer). Plus, I don't think the drivers should be put in a situation of enforcement/confrontation with anti-social individuals whose response might be to beat them to death.
Another situation I don't know the answer for. Maybe we're already living in a dystopian future, and just haven't noticed.4 -
@moonangel12, what is their exact complaint? I ask because it is just so easy for me to wear a mask that it is hard for me to imagine that so many people object so much.
I understand that a few people have panic attacks or other reasons. But I really don’t understand the ANGER about masks.
One lady doesn’t wear one when she doesn’t have to just because she doesn’t want to, but when her work told her she had to, she didn’t question it at all, just put it on and always wears one to work. Still not anywhere else.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
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corinasue1143 wrote: »@moonangel12, what is their exact complaint? I ask because it is just so easy for me to wear a mask that it is hard for me to imagine that so many people object so much.
I understand that a few people have panic attacks or other reasons. But I really don’t understand the ANGER about masks.
One lady doesn’t wear one when she doesn’t have to just because she doesn’t want to, but when her work told her she had to, she didn’t question it at all, just put it on and always wears one to work. Still not anywhere else.
I, personally, have had a couple issues with my mask because of my asthma so I am more careful about material choice. One in particular had a tighter weave fabric and the couple times I wore it for longer durations I ended up dizzy enough I had to pull the bottom open and take deep breaths so I just don’t use it anymore and opt for the thinner one, unfortunately less protection overall, but it’s what I need to be able to function in the heat and humidity.
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My brother is 65, has heart issues and diabetes, and his wife isn't in the best of health either. I am one of our BIL's caregivers. He's 81 and is in the final stages of Alzheimer's along with heart issues. My sister(with a lot auto-immune issues) is trying to get our brother on board for being a caregiver as well. He and I were at their house together last week, I wore a mask, he did not. I just don't get it at all.
While the # of positive cases in our area are small due to living in a small town and rural state, it's still present and has increased slightly. And we all know how quickly it can jump from 1 single person to a whole group. People are mistakenly letting their guard down.10 -
Earlier, we had seen a lot of anti-maskers getting through fine while they killed others who were more vulnerable. The discussion was that Darwin got it wrong. As some who went to Covid parties die, I can't help but feel some sense of satisfaction that Darwinism is finally working.5
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
That's what I was thinking. I haven't been on a city transit bus for decades except a couple times when they were used for shuttle buses for a ball game but those had a fare box next to the driver.1 -
Went grocery shopping in Marana (the neighboring town where the mayor refuses to enforce mask ordinances) and for the first time there was 100% mask compliance. And this is a super Fry's, so it's a huge store.
I guess that the ordering of refrigerated trucks to support the morgues in AZ and TX finally got through to some obstinate anti-maskers.
We also ate out on a patio again -- 112 degrees. Wasn't pleasant but we needed to get out of the house. Wore the mask while going through the restaurant and took it off outside. We were the only ones outside until the very end than another couple braved the heat.
But, it's raining right now... Hallelujah! And not little tiny drops, it's pouring. Real hard rain, which is lovely here this time of year. Drops the temps rapidly once the rain starts. We get 70% of our annual rainfall in like six weeks, though last year it poured in Nov and Dec.
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I work in a hospital in a hot zone right now and I cannot tell you the thousands of dollars of construction we have done to build negative pressure areas. They’re paying for traveling nurses. The morgue is full and they’re doing something by the ER construction wise which I feel could be a field morgue based on the morgue being full and ER usually needs to be close to the morgue. Anyone can reason they’re not spending all this money to make their hospital look like a war zone for a hoax. We are losing revenue from elective stuff. Our big wigs have all taken a pay cut. Doctors have taken one in our largest Md group. I’m not even gonna get my regular raise this year bc they’re putting so much into corona prep.
When we face time or zoom people who don’t live here, two people have called it a hoax. I don’t even argue because that kind of stupidity just can’t be reasoned with.
Thank you for the mask wearers posting!!! You’re doing right for yourself and everyone else. There have been a number of times I’ve been with a Covid positive patient without an n95 for a brief period of time (just a regular mask and hand hygiene and good habits) and thankfully it has been enough in those instances so it does work...even if it’s not an n95 something is better than nothing if you’re just around someone for a short periods like the grocery store.22 -
I work in a hospital in a hot zone right now and I cannot tell you the thousands of dollars of construction we have done to build negative pressure areas. They’re paying for traveling nurses. The morgue is full and they’re doing something by the ER construction wise which I feel could be a field morgue based on the morgue being full and ER usually needs to be close to the morgue. Anyone can reason they’re not spending all this money to make their hospital look like a war zone for a hoax. We are losing revenue from elective stuff. Our big wigs have all taken a pay cut. Doctors have taken one in our largest Md group. I’m not even gonna get my regular raise this year bc they’re putting so much into corona prep.
When we face time or zoom people who don’t live here, two people have called it a hoax. I don’t even argue because that kind of stupidity just can’t be reasoned with.
Thank you for the mask wearers posting!!! You’re doing right for yourself and everyone else. There have been a number of times I’ve been with a Covid positive patient without an n95 for a brief period of time (just a regular mask and hand hygiene and good habits) and thankfully it has been enough in those instances so it does work...even if it’s not an n95 something is better than nothing if you’re just around someone for a short periods like the grocery store.
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Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
You step up (or use the ramp if it's someone who needs that) and then tap the box inside with your card or pay with cash. (There is a clear door between the box and the driver.) He/she can say "you haven't paid" if they don't, and could also say "put on a mask if you want to come in or get off." Since the vast majority of people are compliant here, I can't see how someone could just barge their way on if that's not a problem with people who don't pay already (and I've never heard that it is). I really don't see how requiring a mask is more difficult than requiring payment.3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.
That could be why so many people don't want to wear them. It is simply self centered selfishness.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.
I disagree. It does protect you to a great extent. Not 100% for sure, but depending on the fabric and fit, maybe up to 80%.
That’s a lot!
I know the officials are saying otherwise, But they did an about face when they first told us masks are no good, don’t use them. Then they said masks are good, wear them. They were always good. They were always good for yourself, as well as others.
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corinasue1143 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.
I disagree. It does protect you to a great extent. Not 100% for sure, but depending on the fabric and fit, maybe up to 80%.
That’s a lot!
I know the officials are saying otherwise, But they did an about face when they first told us masks are no good, don’t use them. Then they said masks are good, wear them. They were always good. They were always good for yourself, as well as others.
I have KN 95 masks now. I was using an old, used N95 (from dusting/sanding) but it got so nasty that I bought some KN 95 masks off of Aliexpress. I know that the Chinese govt hiding numbers was awful, but KN 95 masks are nearly as good as N95 masks. Even 3M, the maker of N95 masks said they are a suitable replacement for N95s, which healthcare workers desperately need right now. KN95s are the Chinese version of N95s. A little more "leakage" but way better than most homemade masks.
I bought a lot of 50 for the local hospital early in the pandemic (for a guy that worked in the respiratory Dept asking for them). He was perfectly fine with the KN 95s but didn't want the homemade masks -- while he appreciated the volunteers doing that (and they are better than nothing) -- the KN 95s offer much more protection in a clinical setting.
Since the rest of the developed world has Covid-19 nearly under control, KN95 masks are available if someone wants something better than a homemade one. Aliexpress is like the Chinese version of Amazon. Just make sure they are shipped/warehoused in the US so they don't take 2 months to get here.2
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