For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.
He isn't wearing it to make himself feel safe. I can not believe there still are people who just don't get the concept. He's gearing up to keep YOU safe.
Outdoors? At a place where no one comes within 20 feet of him? Nahhhh it's for himself and his own fear. And if he honestly believes there's a chance he has the virus and could spread it to others... maybe don't spend every evening hanging out at the dog park?
So what if it is? It's harming NOBODY. If it's driven by his anxiety, it's a coping tool that allows him to get out of the house and get some exercise for his dog. I think it's terrible to try to make someone feel awkward for that (and let's be clear, that's exactly what people are doing when they're ostentatiously giving someone "weird looks" because even little kids can learn that it's rude to stare at unusual -looking people). And you have no idea what health conditions he may or may not have that make COVID-19 seem more intimidating. If someone wants to wear gloves and a mask outside, why do you even care?
If you read my comment above, you'll see that I don't care if anyone else wears a mask - as I said, more power to him if it makes him feel better. But your right to wear a mask does not mean you won't get weird looks for it when there is seemingly no logic behind your actions. As I said above, if he's that scared of spreading it to others or catching it himself, why spend all this time at the DOG PARK? Does he really think it's worth risking death just to exercise his dog?
You're ignoring that he's potentially wearing the PPE to manage or alleviate his anxiety specifically so he can spend time at the dog park and since it's an act that isn't harming anyone, I don't understand your response. Anxiety is real, this can be an especially challenging time for people who were already struggling with it, and it's okay if people want to take non-harmful actions to manage it.
You have the legal right to try to shame anyone acting unusually or atypically. Nobody is arguing that you don't. But we have the legal right to do all kinds of things that are morally inappropriate or just plain mean. This guy is just trying to get outside with his dog. You know nothing about what mental or physical issues might be behind his choice of PPE. I don't get the desired result here -- that people with anxiety must conform or avoid parks until the outbreak is over? That potentially immune-compromised people can't take protective steps that are beyond what non-immune-compromised people would consider reasonable? When you give people "weird looks" in public, you're sending a message to them. What do you want this guy to take away from the messages you're giving him?
As I said in my previous comments, my only response is "you do you." Yes, people give him weird looks because his actions are irrational, but he's obviously fine with it because he continues to come to the dog park in his mask and gloves. There was another guy who frequently came to the dog park in 90+ degree weather wearing a long sleeved hoodie. People also gave him weird looks.
People judge no matter what you do, so you do you and don't let anyone's reaction bother you.
So basically your argument is that it's OK to be rude, inconsiderate, and unkind because that's what people do?
Imagine what the future is going to be like if people think this is fine? It's bullying really. No one has to be like anyone else, they can be their own good selves as long as doing the right things. Being out with his dog is probably making that guy better mentally than those being rude are ever going to be mentally in their life time.
For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.
He isn't wearing it to make himself feel safe. I can not believe there still are people who just don't get the concept. He's gearing up to keep YOU safe.
Outdoors? At a place where no one comes within 20 feet of him? Nahhhh it's for himself and his own fear. And if he honestly believes there's a chance he has the virus and could spread it to others... maybe don't spend every evening hanging out at the dog park?
You know I never met the guy and it is wrong of me to assume his intent. He could very well be under that false sense of security that the mask is keeping himself safe. Either way, what he is doing is making it a safer place for you and others.
Because I try real hard to find silver linings, I'd like to believe maybe he just understands the concept of source control, being asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic, and that the very least a person can do on this earth right now is to wear a mask to protect their neighbor. It don't get much simpler than that.
I hope your passion for protecting others extends to all diseases and won't go away once coronavirus is no longer the flavor of the month. If you wear your mask for the rest of your life, maybe we'll eventually have a society completely free from illness!
I actually think it will be interesting to see if there is a long term effect on the American (and I guess other western cultures?) attitude on mask wearing. I know in Asian cultures it is already pretty normalized, and prior to COVID people would wear masks if they thought they felt unwell and were around others.
Saying it could eliminate all disease is a huge stretch, but it's not such a bad practice to continue and probably help minimize cold and flu transmission each year.
For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.
He isn't wearing it to make himself feel safe. I can not believe there still are people who just don't get the concept. He's gearing up to keep YOU safe.
Outdoors? At a place where no one comes within 20 feet of him? Nahhhh it's for himself and his own fear. And if he honestly believes there's a chance he has the virus and could spread it to others... maybe don't spend every evening hanging out at the dog park?
You know I never met the guy and it is wrong of me to assume his intent. He could very well be under that false sense of security that the mask is keeping himself safe. Either way, what he is doing is making it a safer place for you and others.
Because I try real hard to find silver linings, I'd like to believe maybe he just understands the concept of source control, being asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic, and that the very least a person can do on this earth right now is to wear a mask to protect their neighbor. It don't get much simpler than that.
I hope your passion for protecting others extends to all diseases and won't go away once coronavirus is no longer the flavor of the month. If you wear your mask for the rest of your life, maybe we'll eventually have a society completely free from illness!
I actually think it will be interesting to see if there is a long term effect on the American (and I guess other western cultures?) attitude on mask wearing. I know in Asian cultures it is already pretty normalized, and prior to COVID people would wear masks if they thought they felt unwell and were around others.
Saying it could eliminate all disease is a huge stretch, but it's not such a bad practice to continue and probably help minimize cold and flu transmission each year.
And reduce natural immunity to illnesses? No problem personally wearing a mask when mandated (where I live that includes any indoor public place and outdoors where can't social distance) but feel constant mask wearing long term will reduce immunity.
For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.
He isn't wearing it to make himself feel safe. I can not believe there still are people who just don't get the concept. He's gearing up to keep YOU safe.
Outdoors? At a place where no one comes within 20 feet of him? Nahhhh it's for himself and his own fear. And if he honestly believes there's a chance he has the virus and could spread it to others... maybe don't spend every evening hanging out at the dog park?
You know I never met the guy and it is wrong of me to assume his intent. He could very well be under that false sense of security that the mask is keeping himself safe. Either way, what he is doing is making it a safer place for you and others.
Because I try real hard to find silver linings, I'd like to believe maybe he just understands the concept of source control, being asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic, and that the very least a person can do on this earth right now is to wear a mask to protect their neighbor. It don't get much simpler than that.
I hope your passion for protecting others extends to all diseases and won't go away once coronavirus is no longer the flavor of the month. If you wear your mask for the rest of your life, maybe we'll eventually have a society completely free from illness!
I actually think it will be interesting to see if there is a long term effect on the American (and I guess other western cultures?) attitude on mask wearing. I know in Asian cultures it is already pretty normalized, and prior to COVID people would wear masks if they thought they felt unwell and were around others.
Saying it could eliminate all disease is a huge stretch, but it's not such a bad practice to continue and probably help minimize cold and flu transmission each year.
And reduce natural immunity to illnesses? No problem personally wearing a mask when mandated (where I live that includes any indoor public place and outdoors where can't social distance) but feel constant mask wearing long term will reduce immunity.
Sorry if I was unclear, I don't mean constant. But if you know you have a cold or what not.
For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.
He isn't wearing it to make himself feel safe. I can not believe there still are people who just don't get the concept. He's gearing up to keep YOU safe.
Outdoors? At a place where no one comes within 20 feet of him? Nahhhh it's for himself and his own fear. And if he honestly believes there's a chance he has the virus and could spread it to others... maybe don't spend every evening hanging out at the dog park?
You know I never met the guy and it is wrong of me to assume his intent. He could very well be under that false sense of security that the mask is keeping himself safe. Either way, what he is doing is making it a safer place for you and others.
Because I try real hard to find silver linings, I'd like to believe maybe he just understands the concept of source control, being asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic, and that the very least a person can do on this earth right now is to wear a mask to protect their neighbor. It don't get much simpler than that.
I hope your passion for protecting others extends to all diseases and won't go away once coronavirus is no longer the flavor of the month. If you wear your mask for the rest of your life, maybe we'll eventually have a society completely free from illness!
I actually think it will be interesting to see if there is a long term effect on the American (and I guess other western cultures?) attitude on mask wearing. I know in Asian cultures it is already pretty normalized, and prior to COVID people would wear masks if they thought they felt unwell and were around others.
Saying it could eliminate all disease is a huge stretch, but it's not such a bad practice to continue and probably help minimize cold and flu transmission each year.
And reduce natural immunity to illnesses? No problem personally wearing a mask when mandated (where I live that includes any indoor public place and outdoors where can't social distance) but feel constant mask wearing long term will reduce immunity.
Why? Masks are hardly the equivalent of living in sterilized bubble. I've yet to see any evidence cultures that already have a practice of wearing masks have an issue. Do you think covering up coughs and sneeze have had an impact on people's immunity?
Will you continue to wear your mask every year during flu season (which also kills hundreds of thousands of people each year), or do you only feel obligated to protect them from the "special" diseases?
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It doesn't, actually. You might want to check your numbers.
I wear gloves outdoors to walk my dogs too I'm under no illusion that they protect me from Covid, they're to protect my hands from UV exposure. After the bad press chemical sunscreens got last year, I started using UPF clothing instead. But they also do a dandy job of protecting my hands from leash burn if one of the little darlings decides to go off-piste.
This isn’t aimed at anyone that has posted here. In any way.
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
This isn’t aimed at anyone that has posted here. In any way.
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
Thank you very much! I’m probably spending too much time reading the yahoo home page news and it gets me riled.
This isn’t aimed at anyone that has posted here. In any way.
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
Thank you very much! I’m probably spending too much time reading the yahoo home page news and it gets me riled.
Ah yeah man you gotta go with fox in one tab, cnn in the other. Once you've read the same but very different story on both pages then check the daily onion. Now you've got the story.
This isn’t aimed at anyone that has posted here. In any way.
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
Thank you very much! I’m probably spending too much time reading the yahoo home page news and it gets me riled.
This isn’t aimed at anyone that has posted here. In any way.
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
Thank you very much! I’m probably spending too much time reading the yahoo home page news and it gets me riled.
@JimDew I whole-heartedly agree with every thing you said. There aren't enough clicks allowed on the agree button.
This isn’t aimed at anyone that has posted here. In any way.
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
Thank you very much! I’m probably spending too much time reading the yahoo home page news and it gets me riled.
I've had to disconnect from the news - I even hate going to the weather channel's website!
This disregard for their fellow man goes beyond humanity and masks, I'm afraid. I've been walking the main road through my town because there is no where else to walk, and I've noticed lately just how much litter is dumped alongside the roads. Even in front of my house in the road ditch line there is so much more garbage than I remember there being before. Bottles, wrappers, bags - what's even more infuriating for me is the number of beer bottles and beer cans that are laying along the road, indicating to me that apparently there's a big uptick in not only littering but drinking and driving. I'm just scratching my head and thinking "what happened to the big push that was going on all through the 90's and 00's about not driving drunk or keeping your environment clean?"
What is it with people these days having no respect for each other or their world around them?
I wear a bandana in stores right now because of mandate. Most face masks are worthless anyway except the real N95s....after the mandate is over this month, I will be back to NO mask. And I am definitely not wearing goggles like Fauci now recommends.
“This disregard for their fellow man goes beyond humanity and masks, I'm afraid.“
Ain’t this the truth. It’s not difficult to be decent to those around you.
I have a permit to concealed carry a gun. I often do. My state allows open carry. Why don’t I open carry?? Because it makes some uncomfortable. I respect people’s feelings. Their opinions.
The same with the mask.
It makes some feel better. Not sure they work. But it makes them more comfortable.
Get yer head out of your selfish *kitten* and be helpful.
Back in mid March I bought some wool and a sewing kit to make some cloth masks. However the lockdown was going so well and my lack of sewing skills meant I never got around to making them. Occasionally I see someone wearing a mask but since it's been months since anyone died here most people don't bother.
Asians are more likely to wear masks by my observations, both this year and previously. At the peak of lockdown about 1/4 of people were wearing masks at the supermarket.
I can relate to your situation - a few new cases but no deaths. We feel really good about that, but still wear masks whenever entering public places.
Lots of people here seem convinced that face coverings will protect them from covid19 - why? I have no idea as it really won't. Where does this delusion come from????
CNN have an interesting piece on this today too.
Lots of people seem convinced masks will protect the patient in the operating room, why? Doctors don't need to wear masks to operate and everyone should demand they don't because it's a delusion.
People die in car accidents despite wearing a seatbelt. We should ban seatbelts because in some cases it makes it hard to get out of the damaged car.
Everyone should sneeze in other people's faces because sneezing into your elbow will not protect others if you're sick.
Hearing protection devices don't filter out all the noise, so they're useless and everyone operating loud machinery should stop wearing them.
Don't wear sunscreen, it won't protect you from sunburn 100%, some people are allergic to it, and many people don't apply it correctly.
Interesting points listed there. My worse vehicle accident was before seatbelts were mandatory, and I would've been in worse condition if I wasn't thrown from the vehicle. Now it is the law so I wear them, even though it goes against my own experience.
Without getting into super detail, let me just say I'm super compromised health wise. However, I consider my community. I wear a mask every time I'm indoors at shops, doctor's offices - anywhere indoors. My family does the same thing and they are more social than I. We feel it's just the proper and respectful thing to do.
There's next to NO social distancing where I live even though it's recommended before one walks into an establishment!
I've had no symptoms thus far. BUT!What if I'm one of the asymptomatic ones?? When I'm at the Doctor's office for my issues, I'm a little surprised people who have the same issues I have - do NOT wear masks. I just shake my head. There's no mandate for them yet here. I'm waiting on that. BIG time.
Will you continue to wear your mask every year during flu season (which also kills hundreds of thousands of people each year), or do you only feel obligated to protect them from the "special" diseases?
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Hundreds of thousands of people do not die every year from the flu.
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Imagine what the future is going to be like if people think this is fine? It's bullying really. No one has to be like anyone else, they can be their own good selves as long as doing the right things. Being out with his dog is probably making that guy better mentally than those being rude are ever going to be mentally in their life time.
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I actually think it will be interesting to see if there is a long term effect on the American (and I guess other western cultures?) attitude on mask wearing. I know in Asian cultures it is already pretty normalized, and prior to COVID people would wear masks if they thought they felt unwell and were around others.
Saying it could eliminate all disease is a huge stretch, but it's not such a bad practice to continue and probably help minimize cold and flu transmission each year.
And reduce natural immunity to illnesses? No problem personally wearing a mask when mandated (where I live that includes any indoor public place and outdoors where can't social distance) but feel constant mask wearing long term will reduce immunity.
Sorry if I was unclear, I don't mean constant. But if you know you have a cold or what not.
Why? Masks are hardly the equivalent of living in sterilized bubble. I've yet to see any evidence cultures that already have a practice of wearing masks have an issue. Do you think covering up coughs and sneeze have had an impact on people's immunity?
It doesn't, actually. You might want to check your numbers.
I wear gloves outdoors to walk my dogs too
This whole mask thing ticks me off. I’m American. Conservative. Male. Highly believe in my rights as being given to me by god and not any government
PUT ON THE DAMN MASK.
Yes we wish we didn’t need them. Yes it sucks.
I just wish people would respect their fellow humans and do this tiny thing to help protect each other.
If you have a medical problem, or a bona fide reason not to wear one, I’m good with it.
To Everyone who walks around not wearing one that should be, you’re an idiot.
To those of you starting physical confrontations over wearing or not wearing them, you’re bigger idiots.
Yes I’m ranting. I’m just saddened by those with so little regard for their fellow man that they can’t wear a mask.
Carry on
I'm just going to give you a hug. I'm sorry you live around people that don't give a *kitten*. I do but I don't need to yet. I'm guessing the time will come here too when I need to so I've ordered masks online. Be very proud you are NOT an idiot ok? The idiots will get what they deserve I think in the end but killing many along the way too.
Thank you very much! I’m probably spending too much time reading the yahoo home page news and it gets me riled.
Ah yeah man you gotta go with fox in one tab, cnn in the other. Once you've read the same but very different story on both pages then check the daily onion. Now you've got the story.
LOL and me on Twitter too much hahaa.
@JimDew I whole-heartedly agree with every thing you said. There aren't enough clicks allowed on the agree button.
I've had to disconnect from the news - I even hate going to the weather channel's website!
This disregard for their fellow man goes beyond humanity and masks, I'm afraid. I've been walking the main road through my town because there is no where else to walk, and I've noticed lately just how much litter is dumped alongside the roads. Even in front of my house in the road ditch line there is so much more garbage than I remember there being before. Bottles, wrappers, bags - what's even more infuriating for me is the number of beer bottles and beer cans that are laying along the road, indicating to me that apparently there's a big uptick in not only littering but drinking and driving. I'm just scratching my head and thinking "what happened to the big push that was going on all through the 90's and 00's about not driving drunk or keeping your environment clean?"
What is it with people these days having no respect for each other or their world around them?
Ain’t this the truth. It’s not difficult to be decent to those around you.
I have a permit to concealed carry a gun. I often do. My state allows open carry. Why don’t I open carry?? Because it makes some uncomfortable. I respect people’s feelings. Their opinions.
The same with the mask.
It makes some feel better. Not sure they work. But it makes them more comfortable.
Get yer head out of your selfish *kitten* and be helpful.
(This isn’t aimed at ANYONE that had posted).
I’m again ranting
I can relate to your situation - a few new cases but no deaths. We feel really good about that, but still wear masks whenever entering public places.
Interesting points listed there. My worse vehicle accident was before seatbelts were mandatory, and I would've been in worse condition if I wasn't thrown from the vehicle. Now it is the law so I wear them, even though it goes against my own experience.
So if masks are the law, wear the masks!!
There's next to NO social distancing where I live even though it's recommended before one walks into an establishment!
I've had no symptoms thus far. BUT!What if I'm one of the asymptomatic ones?? When I'm at the Doctor's office for my issues, I'm a little surprised people who have the same issues I have - do NOT wear masks. I just shake my head. There's no mandate for them yet here. I'm waiting on that. BIG time.
Hundreds of thousands of people do not die every year from the flu.