Coronavirus prep
Replies
-
No, I wasn't even talking about pressuring Chinese or Vietnamese to change their cultural cuisines. I actually want to know if people are willing to do whatever it takes to stop further Pandemics by rooting out the causes ona biological level?
I hope not because that idea is ridiculously violent!
Why not just leave bats alone?12 -
Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.
Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.14 -
Sadly, I have just heard that an American family my husband knows through his work, who live in Netherlands, after visiting Disneyland Paris, have all returned home and have got the virus. They had not been able to get a refund on their travel expenses for the pre-paid holiday and against advice went on and took the risk of non-essential travel to Paris. They are a family of four. I hope they all make a complete recovery.
Paris was one of the worst areas hit by Covid19 in France and I worry that the numbers of cases reported are not accurate at this time, giving people a false sense of confidence. Our testing is not random in France. I believe it is only for the people who consult a doctor or go to hospital where they can get tested. In my area no one masks or uses social distancing. Particularly young people are oblivious that there is any danger.7 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.
Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.
All of these beautiful animals are a great loss to our planet, undoubtedly.
I would not miss rats, bats, mosquitoes or rattlesnakes, and possibly water moccasins myself. Nor would I miss Ebola or any of the Sars viruses.
I like bobcats, lynx and wolves. But I feel sad when little goat kids and lambs get maimed by them. They cry so hard and it sounds almost human. I dn't like it when a chicken coop gets attacked by badgers either. So sad.
2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.
Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.
All of these beautiful animals are a great loss to our planet, undoubtedly.
I would not miss rats, bats, mosquitoes or rattlesnakes, and possibly water moccasins myself. Nor would I miss Ebola or any of the Sars viruses.
I like bobcats, lynx and wolves. But I feel sad when little goat kids and lambs get maimed by them. They cry so hard and it sounds almost human. I dn't like it when a chicken coop gets attacked by badgers either. So sad.
The world of creatures has a value beyond those whom you might or might not personally miss.21 -
It’s a, What came first, the chicken or the egg?, theory. Bats eat mosquitoes. They both carry diseases to humans, and other species. It is extremely arrogant to think the human species deserves existence over other species. It’s natural order and evolution. There’s far and away the vast majority of population concentrated between Asia and Africa. Should there be responsibility for advising other countries of outbreaks? Of course. But leadership needs to be honest with people from the start and not tell us “it’s no big deal”.
It wasn’t something intentional and is no one’s fault. We need to pull together with worldwide effort and cooperation to get through this with the least amount of fatalities.9 -
It looks like Major League Baseball might be close to done. The Marlins are still down 18 or 19 players who tested positive and now the St Louis Cardinals have a big outbreak.
So much of the talk to get sports back playing was that young healthy multi millionaires wouldn't be taking on that much risk. But several of these positive tests are "staff" so like coaches, locker room attendants. These people could be older, might not be in athletic shape, and most aren't making millions. And there is a 27 yr old Red Sox pitcher who is out for at least this season with heart inflammation post-covid , which they "assume" will clear up.
Luckily neither the NBA or the NHL has had any positive cases of a person after they are in the bubble yet. The whole bubble thing might actually work for these one or two month tournaments. I doubt you could actually expect all those people to stay put through months of an entire season though.6 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.
Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.
All of these beautiful animals are a great loss to our planet, undoubtedly.
I would not miss rats, bats, mosquitoes or rattlesnakes, and possibly water moccasins myself. Nor would I miss Ebola or any of the Sars viruses.
I like bobcats, lynx and wolves. But I feel sad when little goat kids and lambs get maimed by them. They cry so hard and it sounds almost human. I dn't like it when a chicken coop gets attacked by badgers either. So sad.
I personally like bats and don't care for wolves. Which is exactly why the value of a species cannot be determined by anyone's individual, personal like or dislike of them.14 -
It's not bragging if it's true. I grew up with the grizzly bear, brown and black bear, bison, bats, badgers, moose, elk, deer, antelope. I'm a FFA and 4H country girl and my family still raises livestock. Grizzlies and humans are the top of the food chain out here. Our mileage will always vary because we travel in different packs and move with different herds.
7 -
It looks like Major League Baseball might be close to done. The Marlins are still down 18 or 19 players who tested positive and now the St Louis Cardinals have a big outbreak.
So much of the talk to get sports back playing was that young healthy multi millionaires wouldn't be taking on that much risk. But several of these positive tests are "staff" so like coaches, locker room attendants. These people could be older, might not be in athletic shape, and most aren't making millions. And there is a 27 yr old Red Sox pitcher who is out for at least this season with heart inflammation post-covid , which they "assume" will clear up.
Luckily neither the NBA or the NHL has had any positive cases of a person after they are in the bubble yet. The whole bubble thing might actually work for these one or two month tournaments. I doubt you could actually expect all those people to stay put through months of an entire season though.
I think that all sports leagues are keeping a very close eye on MLB to see what happens when there's no "bubble".
The NFL will be next up in this experiment.
Both the NBA and NHL are talking about starting next season sometime in December...in their home arenas, probably no fans at least at the start.
But all those plans could change if baseball shuts down.3 -
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/04/livonia-nuns-convent-coronavirus-catholic-felician-sisters/5572473002/
Thirteen have lost their lives. 8 -
Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are sold in open markets in Asia every day?
I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?
I admit that I have a small amount of both kangaroo and python meat that I am saving for a special occasion.2 -
Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are sold in open markets in Asia every day?
I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?
So, in the beginning of Covid-19 a lot of info came into the news about it originating from eating bats. Then many news articles pooh-poohed that idea. With all the unknowns about this virus I just assumed nobody really know how it all started or what truths to listen to. Are you telling me(maybe I missed it somewhere?) that it did indeed originate from wet markets?
Doesn't every country have intelligent doctors telling people not to eat this or that? It's probably a very bad idea? They pull things from being sold when something is known to be uhhh....deadly?
I know I'm very naive but sometimes I gotta wonder how/why the world works the way it does.4 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.
Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.
All of these beautiful animals are a great loss to our planet, undoubtedly.
I would not miss rats, bats, mosquitoes or rattlesnakes, and possibly water moccasins myself. Nor would I miss Ebola or any of the Sars viruses.
I like bobcats, lynx and wolves. But I feel sad when little goat kids and lambs get maimed by them. They cry so hard and it sounds almost human. I dn't like it when a chicken coop gets attacked by badgers either. So sad.
I personally like bats and don't care for wolves. Which is exactly why the value of a species cannot be determined by anyone's individual, personal like or dislike of them.
I've been meaning to put up a "house" for bats. Would love to have those mosquito-eaters around!13 -
Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are sold in open markets in Asia every day?
I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?
So, in the beginning of Covid-19 a lot of info came into the news about it originating from eating bats. Then many news articles pooh-poohed that idea. With all the unknowns about this virus I just assumed nobody really know how it all started or what truths to listen to. Are you telling me(maybe I missed it somewhere?) that it did indeed originate from wet markets?
Doesn't every country have intelligent doctors telling people not to eat this or that? It's probably a very bad idea? They pull things from being sold when something is known to be uhhh....deadly?
I know I'm very naive but sometimes I gotta wonder how/why the world works the way it does.
I'm not sure whether it originated from eating bats or not. It's a form of coronavirus, which is known to be zoonotic, and it is believed to have originated in Wuhan where there are wet markets. I'm not sure if anything more substantial than that exists. I've not visited any such wet markets, but the video footage I've seen is quite disgusting. If they have health inspectors, they must be getting paid to stay away because a legitimate health inspector would be shutting that place down just based on how poorly the food is stored and handled.6 -
Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are sold in open markets in Asia every day?
I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?
So, in the beginning of Covid-19 a lot of info came into the news about it originating from eating bats. Then many news articles pooh-poohed that idea. With all the unknowns about this virus I just assumed nobody really know how it all started or what truths to listen to. Are you telling me(maybe I missed it somewhere?) that it did indeed originate from wet markets?
Doesn't every country have intelligent doctors telling people not to eat this or that? It's probably a very bad idea? They pull things from being sold when something is known to be uhhh....deadly?
I know I'm very naive but sometimes I gotta wonder how/why the world works the way it does.
I’ve read a bunch of different theories but apparently where it stands now is that the virus is similar to one found in bats and one found in pangolins, with the theory being that two viruses swapped genes at some point. The origin of the virus has become a political thing so it’s difficult to get accurate information.
I don’t know about eating bats but I am completely opposed to eating pangolins since they are a) endangered b) one of the most trafficked animals and c) adorable. The practice of trafficking endangered wild animals for traditional “medicine” that doesn’t actually do anything makes me angry.
Megachiroptera are also adorable. Big bats are lovely and charming.
One reason not to murder animals just because you don’t personally care for them is that we can learn from them. At this moment scientists are studying why bats are able to carry coronaviruses without getting sick themselves. This avenue of study may someday lead to new treatments or drugs not just for Covid 19 but also for coronaviruses that humans didn’t get from bats.18 -
There was NIH funded "gain-of-function" research on bat coronavirus as the Wuhan lab. I would not reject the idea that pangolin and bat coronaviruses may have been mixed, but I would suspect knowing the research was going on that it was not by nature.
I haven't seen any proof (not that it would be released), but it is a well reported fact that the exact type of research was going on. It was controversial research because of the exact outcome we have going on right now.
I see no need to vilify animals.5 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.
Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.
All of these beautiful animals are a great loss to our planet, undoubtedly.
I would not miss rats, bats, mosquitoes or rattlesnakes, and possibly water moccasins myself. Nor would I miss Ebola or any of the Sars viruses.
I like bobcats, lynx and wolves. But I feel sad when little goat kids and lambs get maimed by them. They cry so hard and it sounds almost human. I dn't like it when a chicken coop gets attacked by badgers either. So sad.
That is really silly.
Ecological systems don't depend on whether we think little cute animals gettting killed by bigger predators is sad.
You would miss a balanced nature - and randomly removing one species because we don't like it would not end well.
12 -
Bats in Africa and China are significantly large compared to the puny N. American species.
Not an ingredient I would consider for soup! or a pet.
Myself, I'm not going to complain if the gov starts a campaign to illiminate mosquitoes, rattlesnakes and bats.
Humans need to be safe first. I believe nature will adapt and survive without those three killers.
Get rid of bats and you'll have more mosquitos.10 -
paperpudding wrote: »Myself, I'm not going to complain if the gov starts a campaign to illiminate mosquitoes, rattlesnakes and bats.
Humans need to be safe first. I believe nature will adapt and survive without those three killers.
I would.
ecological systems depend on creatures we might not like too - like bats, rattlesnakes, mosquitoes.
Humans need to respect that.
and how do you expect the government would be able to do this anyway??
most every other man made interference with nature has ended badly - I dont think this one would end well either
Well, some countries are:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/spain-to-cull-nearly-100000-mink-in-coronavirus-outbreak
Both Spain and the Netherlands are killing minks.
Mink are not bats, mosquitos, rattlesnakes.
Culling farmed mink is not going to play havoc with ecosystem the way that attempting to exterminate an entire species in the wild wood.
You are moving the goal posts.9
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 391.3K Introduce Yourself
- 43.4K Getting Started
- 259.7K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.6K Food and Nutrition
- 47.3K Recipes
- 232.3K Fitness and Exercise
- 387 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.4K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.7K Motivation and Support
- 7.8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.4K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.2K MyFitnessPal Information
- 22 News and Announcements
- 897 Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.2K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions