Coronavirus prep
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
If deprecated to page 2 and beyond, not revived: Yes.
It's a testament to the mods who've been willing to clean up some slop to keep it open, and to *most* participants who've stayed out of the swamps, that it's been alive here as long as it has been. 399 pages!
This thread is one of the (few) things in my world that give me hope we'll come out OKish, eventually. Civil, mostly factual, people reassruing/supporting diverse others.
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Bump. But I have a question. I learned a few weeks ago that a high school student in the city of Boerne, Texas, which is 1 county north of San Antonio, used the 2019 Thanksgiving holiday to visit her family in China. School resumed in Texas on December 2, 2019. That student participated in a school dance class. Every student in the dance class became infected with a mystery illness in the first week of December, 2019. One of those students was a young cousin of mine. His parents became ill with the mystery illness. His father was particularly badly affected. He visited hospitals in Boerne and Midland seeking help with his difficulty breathing. The family visited the grandparents in Alpine, TX for Christmas, 2019. My elderly cousin knew that her son-in-law was not fully recovered while staying in her home for a week. Neither my elderly cousin nor her even more elderly husband became ill. By the 1st of January, 2020, the outbreak in Boerne had ended without spreading to San Antonio, Midland, or Alpine. This event never has been described as covid-19 because the forensic investigators have never asked if that virus had been in America before March. Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March?5
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Bump. But I have a question. I learned a few weeks ago that a high school student in the city of Boerne, Texas, which is 1 county north of San Antonio, used the 2019 Thanksgiving holiday to visit her family in China. School resumed in Texas on December 2, 2019. That student participated in a school dance class. Every student in the dance class became infected with a mystery illness in the first week of December, 2019. One of those students was a young cousin of mine. His parents became ill with the mystery illness. His father was particularly badly affected. He visited hospitals in Boerne and Midland seeking help with his difficulty breathing. The family visited the grandparents in Alpine, TX for Christmas, 2019. My elderly cousin knew that her son-in-law was not fully recovered while staying in her home for a week. Neither my elderly cousin nor her even more elderly husband became ill. By the 1st of January, 2020, the outbreak in Boerne had ended without spreading to San Antonio, Midland, or Alpine. This event never has been described as covid-19 because the forensic investigators have never asked if that virus had been in America before March. Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March?
Because it could have been something else. Were they tested?6 -
yes, agreed, snowflake
"Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March? "
False premise - I dont think it was anywhere before the first official cases - doesnt make sense that your one group would have it randomly and then it just peter out with nobody taking any precautions, in a way it hasnt anywhere else.9 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Bump. But I have a question. I learned a few weeks ago that a high school student in the city of Boerne, Texas, which is 1 county north of San Antonio, used the 2019 Thanksgiving holiday to visit her family in China. School resumed in Texas on December 2, 2019. That student participated in a school dance class. Every student in the dance class became infected with a mystery illness in the first week of December, 2019. One of those students was a young cousin of mine. His parents became ill with the mystery illness. His father was particularly badly affected. He visited hospitals in Boerne and Midland seeking help with his difficulty breathing. The family visited the grandparents in Alpine, TX for Christmas, 2019. My elderly cousin knew that her son-in-law was not fully recovered while staying in her home for a week. Neither my elderly cousin nor her even more elderly husband became ill. By the 1st of January, 2020, the outbreak in Boerne had ended without spreading to San Antonio, Midland, or Alpine. This event never has been described as covid-19 because the forensic investigators have never asked if that virus had been in America before March. Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March?
Are you suggesting it was perhaps in the US far before the first reported cases? Funny you bring that up, because a lot of my fellow colleagues think the same thing. We actually had one memorable patient back in January/february who had a mystery reparatory illness we could NOT figure out. We kept saying to each other "this just doesn't make sense what are we missing". He ended up dying of ARDS without a diagnosis.
What he had was not following any other viral/bacteria etiology that we knew of. He was negative for everything we tested him for and treatment for other things (pneumonia, bronchitis, etc). We could not figure out WHY he was so hypoxic either. Looking back now after having treated patients with COVID, he had every single characteristic symptom down to the "happy hypoxic" phenomena that we couldn't explain at the time. I was just talking with some colleagues last week about him and we were wondering if he had COVID. There were a few other patients they brought up that I didn't know as well. We just didn't have the testing here yet, and were not even thinking of the possibility of COVID. It could have been here long before the first cases were recorded because we were just not testing anyone to know.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
It just means we're prepping for the murder hornets now.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »yes, agreed, snowflake
"Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March? "
False premise - I dont think it was anywhere before the first official cases - doesnt make sense that your one group would have it randomly and then it just peter out with nobody taking any precautions, in a way it hasnt anywhere else.
I remember an article last spring about a British citizen (journalist if I recall) living in China and last fall he came down with an illness, right around Thanksgiving (end Nov). Symptoms were a complete match to the not yet known COVID and he had a very rough time of it. The doctors at the time took and kept a blood sample. He recovered, and then 3 weeks or a month later, he ends up getting informed that what he had had was COVID. That lines up with first cases being announced. I firmly believe that there were cases prior to the ones identified as such. JMO2 -
@Noreenmarie1234 I have heard other such stories
@Jeromebarry1 Let's assume for a minute that the illness was COVID, and your question is why the lack of deaths. Two points I will bring up. One there were two strains that came into the US. If I am remembering correctly, the one that came to the US directly from China was a weaker strain than the one that came in vis Europe. Point two relates to the demographics of those contracting the virus as well as the hospitalization and death rates. So the majority of those you mentioned were young, and that category is know for handling the virus well, so one needs to exclude all them. Of the remaining, you mention very few adults and of them one of them had difficult symptoms. Isn't that pretty much on par with the hospitalization and death rate patterns? I personally know 3 + 1 likely COVID cases. Ages were 59, 58, 69 (while cancer treatments), 70. All of them had essentially no symptoms (3 had headaches for a day, and cancer patient had "a little phlegm") and were mainly caught due to precautionary testing. So, do I believe it is possible that was COVID? Sure. If it were my family, I would be asking if antibody testing could help figure that out.1 -
I am pretty confident that I had the virus from late Jan 2020-Feb20. I felt achy, hurt all over. I was trying to sleep and I told my husband everything hurt except for my knee. Which was odd as my knee would hurt over everything else. I look back now and I had a knee injection Jan 10. A steroid. I kept doing things, walking was super hard. Had to use my inhaler often. I blamed it on the cold weather. I think my doctors were excellent doctors. Plus I did not wait until I was scared to go to Dr. I went because I was breathing bad, coughing, slight fever. I have asthma. I was afraid I would get really sick with that again. Feb 12, got antibiotics, (new one never taken before) Cough pills. Started to work, by Feb 17, back again, was getting worse. Steroid shot (same brand as they talk about now) and steroid pills, more days of pills than ever before. and breathing treatment. Started getting better. This was before it "was in our state" Covid was just a name at the time. I think my doctors, treated me knowing that I could possibly have it or maybe. We had no tests at that time. Glad I had no clue as my anxiety would have been horrible.
Now I am scared to get it and some family make fun of me as I refuse to eat out, and stay away from crowds. I am 62, and don't want to get it. Not everyone has to go to hospital, the scary thing is people wait to go to the doctor as those tests are scary. They wait and they say there is nothing to give you so they wait until it's so bad.
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paperpudding wrote: »yes, agreed, snowflake
"Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March? "
False premise - I dont think it was anywhere before the first official cases - doesnt make sense that your one group would have it randomly and then it just peter out with nobody taking any precautions, in a way it hasnt anywhere else.
If you go way back in this thread, you will find stories of evidence. For example, a sewer water sample collected in Dec. 2019 in PA was tested and found to contain the virus.
FWIW, new viruses don't just show up overnight. They usually spread around quite awhile in low levels before science realizes something new going around. When it gets widespread enough to get noticed, and is assessed for whether it is different from existing viruses, it usually has actually been around for many months at least (sometimes years).9 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Bump. But I have a question. I learned a few weeks ago that a high school student in the city of Boerne, Texas, which is 1 county north of San Antonio, used the 2019 Thanksgiving holiday to visit her family in China. School resumed in Texas on December 2, 2019. That student participated in a school dance class. Every student in the dance class became infected with a mystery illness in the first week of December, 2019. One of those students was a young cousin of mine. His parents became ill with the mystery illness. His father was particularly badly affected. He visited hospitals in Boerne and Midland seeking help with his difficulty breathing. The family visited the grandparents in Alpine, TX for Christmas, 2019. My elderly cousin knew that her son-in-law was not fully recovered while staying in her home for a week. Neither my elderly cousin nor her even more elderly husband became ill. By the 1st of January, 2020, the outbreak in Boerne had ended without spreading to San Antonio, Midland, or Alpine. This event never has been described as covid-19 because the forensic investigators have never asked if that virus had been in America before March. Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March?
It seems likely that the virus was here in the U.S. before the first official case was recorded. We didn't have the testing or even know what to look for.
You ask why it didn't start killing people until March? I'm sure it did, but again, it would not have been reported as a COVID death. "Old man dies of respiratory illness" is not a headline that was going to make the news at that time. I'm sure any deaths that occurred early on were attributed to pneumonia or other viruses.11 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Bump. But I have a question. I learned a few weeks ago that a high school student in the city of Boerne, Texas, which is 1 county north of San Antonio, used the 2019 Thanksgiving holiday to visit her family in China. School resumed in Texas on December 2, 2019. That student participated in a school dance class. Every student in the dance class became infected with a mystery illness in the first week of December, 2019. One of those students was a young cousin of mine. His parents became ill with the mystery illness. His father was particularly badly affected. He visited hospitals in Boerne and Midland seeking help with his difficulty breathing. The family visited the grandparents in Alpine, TX for Christmas, 2019. My elderly cousin knew that her son-in-law was not fully recovered while staying in her home for a week. Neither my elderly cousin nor her even more elderly husband became ill. By the 1st of January, 2020, the outbreak in Boerne had ended without spreading to San Antonio, Midland, or Alpine. This event never has been described as covid-19 because the forensic investigators have never asked if that virus had been in America before March. Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March?
One epidemiologist described it as being like flicking lit matches on a pile of kindling. The first 9 matches might just flame out before anything catches fire and spreads. I did not know about PA water treatment, but I did read that several places in Europe routinely save water samples, and several in fact did find evidence of isolated covid presence in December water samples, too. The epidemiologist described it as a matter of circumstance rather than biology. If the infected person stayed home and away from others, it didn't "catch fire." If the infected person went to a dance class or choir practice or crowded bus it did.
By the way, we have similar stomping grounds. My family hails from the Brewster-Presidio-Davis county area, Alpine being the closest town.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »If this thread disappears from the first page of the forum topics, does that mean we're done with covid and can stop worrying about prepping?
It just means we're prepping for the murder hornets now.
You mean my mask doesn't protect me from murder hornets? I thought they wouldn't be able to recognize me.
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paperpudding wrote: »yes, agreed, snowflake
"Why, if it was here in all parts of the U.S. in December of 2019, did it only start killing people in March? "
False premise - I dont think it was anywhere before the first official cases - doesnt make sense that your one group would have it randomly and then it just peter out with nobody taking any precautions, in a way it hasnt anywhere else.
I remember an article last spring about a British citizen (journalist if I recall) living in China and last fall he came down with an illness, right around Thanksgiving (end Nov). Symptoms were a completePf match to the not yet known COVID and he had a very rough time of it. The doctors at the time took and kept a blood sample. He recovered, and then 3 weeks or a month later, he ends up getting informed that what he had had was COVID. That lines up with first cases being announced. I firmly believe that there were cases prior to the ones identified as such. JMO
Of course, he was in China, around the time the disease is believed to have begun spreading among humans there, so this is a completely different set of facts from those presented by JeromeBarry11 -
@Noreenmarie1234 I have heard other such stories
@Jeromebarry1 Let's assume for a minute that the illness was COVID, and your question is why the lack of deaths. Two points I will bring up. One there were two strains that came into the US. If I am remembering correctly, the one that came to the US directly from China was a weaker strain than the one that came in vis Europe. Point two relates to the demographics of those contracting the virus as well as the hospitalization and death rates. So the majority of those you mentioned were young, and that category is know for handling the virus well, so one needs to exclude all them. Of the remaining, you mention very few adults and of them one of them had difficult symptoms. Isn't that pretty much on par with the hospitalization and death rate patterns? I personally know 3 + 1 likely COVID cases. Ages were 59, 58, 69 (while cancer treatments), 70. All of them had essentially no symptoms (3 had headaches for a day, and cancer patient had "a little phlegm") and were mainly caught due to precautionary testing. So, do I believe it is possible that was COVID? Sure. If it were my family, I would be asking if antibody testing could help figure that out.
Actually, this points to the disease NOT being covid, since @JeromeBarry1 saidEvery student in the dance class became infected with a mystery illness in the first week of December, 2019.
Since there was no way in the U.S. to test for COVID-19 in December 2019, the only way to know that these young people were infected with some mystery illness would have been for them to exhibit symptoms. 100% symptomatic presentation among a group of young people is not consistent with COVID-19.
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So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?8 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing mormal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexible because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
It's a fair point, but wearing a mask does very little to keep them from catching it. Masks are most useful when someone is spreading when already infected - even if that person is asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, or paucisymptomatic. What bugs me most about anti-maskers is that they are getting the benefit from those of us care about fellow citizens and wear a mask, but they don't return the courtesy.15 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing normal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexibility because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
You sound like you are being sarcastic but I am going to answer you seriously
By "normal activities" - do you mean like food shopping? Then they should stay home and get grocery delivery. Here in Massachusetts they would not have a choice. I have not seen a single mask-less person in a supermarket since April (there were town ordinances requiring it before the state-wide mask mandate went into effect in May.)
(Of course, CORRECT mask wearing is another story. I have seen a fair amount of masks being under the nose, and, what really gets me, people pulling down their mask to talk to shopping partners or on the phone >.<)
I HATED wearing a mask when this first started, but did it anyway, because better that than this:
I have chemical sensitivity and my KN-95 mask made me feel ill, especially when it was brand new. For anyone else like this who is not in high risk situations, I recommend these, which are made from organic cotton. The cream is undyed. Latex free elastic is available.
https://decentexposures.com/Cushie/Face-mask8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
I have chemical sensitivity and my KN-95 mask made me feel ill, especially when it was brand new. For anyone else like this who is not in high risk situations, I recommend these, which are made from organic cotton. The cream is undyed. Latex free elastic is available.
https://decentexposures.com/Cushie/Face-mask
Cotton is apparently a superior choice to synthetic fabrics because the fibers are rougher and thus trap more particles. I would have thought the synthetics were better because you can get a tighter weave but not so.
There's an advantage to masks made of polypropylene (I think) because the material generates some sort of static charge that repels particles (but I can't remember where I read that).2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So my thought is that someone who says they can't breathe while doing normal activities wearing a mask and therefore does wear one should be working on their flexibility because they will need to be able to bend and kiss their *kitten* goodbye if they catch this.
Am I wrong?
You sound like you are being sarcastic but I am going to answer you seriously
By "normal activities" - do you mean like food shopping? Then they should stay home and get grocery delivery. Here in Massachusetts they would not have a choice. I have not seen a single mask-less person in a supermarket since April (there were town ordinances requiring it before the state-wide mask mandate went into effect in May.)
(Of course, CORRECT mask wearing is another story. I have seen a fair amount of masks being under the nose, and, what really gets me, people pulling down their mask to talk to shopping partners or on the phone >.<)
I HATED wearing a mask when this first started, but did it anyway, because better that than this:
I have chemical sensitivity and my KN-95 mask made me feel ill, especially when it was brand new. For anyone else like this who is not in high risk situations, I recommend these, which are made from organic cotton. The cream is undyed. Latex free elastic is available.
https://decentexposures.com/Cushie/Face-mask
This helps explain why the northeast U.S. is seeing so few cases now. Where I live (west TN), the county's mask ordinance expired Sept. 28 and wasn't being enforced for long before it expired. I was just at Wal-Mart and a local grocery store - both had around 10%-20% mask use despite store policies that require masks. Those store policies just aren't getting enforced any more than the county mask ordinance when it was in effect.10
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