Faith in people and machines
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »
How many grams in a "slice" of bread? How many grams in any given bun/roll? USDA database thinks a regular bun is 56 g on average, a slider bun in 28 g, and a "roll" is 48 g. Meanwhile, it thinks a "slice" of white bread is 139 g.
Maybe i'm calculating my bread wrong. I was under the assumption that you add up all your ingridient calories and divide it by your final product. 25g of my bread is 71 calories.
ingridents are
381 g White Bread Flour
9 g olive oil
33 g unsalted butter
9 g sugar
6 g salt
4 g yeast
20 g milk powder.
makes a 1.5 loaf bread which comesout to be 576g.
Well, for starters, 1.5 lbs is 680 g, not 576. Do you mean it's a recipe for a 1.5 lb, but you only get 576 g?
That aside, 71 calories for a 25 g slice of bread seems reasonable, and your method for calculating the calories in your bread, as I understand it (add up calories in all ingredients, weigh final cooked product, and distribute the total calories across some designated serving size), is the right way to go about it.
But my point is that it's meaningless to compare "a slice" to "a roll" without knowing the weights of both.2 -
The point is if 1 slice of 25 gram bread is 71 calories, its shocking that people can make hamburger buns that are 80 calories for top and bottom piece.2
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From the OP to umm, SP (subsequent replies?!), I've been fascinated @globalc00 by what seems to be a tendency to offer generalized opinions ("people seem to", "basic ingredients") and statements which turn into disbelief upon presentation of different thoughts. The hamburger bun vs your own bread being the most fascinating (to me at least).
Your engagement and openness to learn is great. I dunno, I just like watching how people think/process. It helps me learn about myself.🤷🏿♀️
Whether it's people's actions, their food choices, or their food prep, forums like these can be a great, safe place to learn about ourselves as well as others.
Perhaps it's now clearer to you how unclear the CICO process can be.
Math is math, but once you throw any combination of biology, measuring the nutritional value of food (whether commercially or privately prepared) or measuring the caloric expenditure of specific activities into the mix and you're like @dewit dealing with "close enoughs" and "it'll dos."
If you, or others, are seeing the health results they seek over time, then they're on the road to success...no matter how many or few restaurants were involved.7 -
@AnnPT77 , I always love your posts! 💐 Now, by throwing in the law of large numbers, you have my eternal admiration 🌻.
Thanks!
In literal terms, they're probably only semi-large numbers**, but the principle still applies. 😉
** . . . although, when one's been doing this for 5+ years like I have . . . ! 😆
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The point is if 1 slice of 25 gram bread is 71 calories, its shocking that people can make hamburger buns that are 80 calories for top and bottom piece.
It wouldn't shock me if the Five Guys buns are only 80 cals. They're so thin and flimsy they dissolve on contact with a little burger grease, much less condiments.
Yeah, I said it. Take your best shot, Five Guys fans.4 -
We can make ourselves barking crazy over this stuff. I have days (today) where my little fingers will seize up in indecision over entering 1 tsp versus 1.33 of honey crystals on my evening pudding. That’s 5 calories difference!
It’s good you’re paying attention and thinking about this stuff. It was failure to do so that got us in this shared boat in the first place.
Healthy Life makes a terrific line of low cal breads. I particularly like them because the ingredients are “normal” and don’t include cellulose or HFCs. 35 calories a slice, makes great sandwiches, French toast, grilled cheese or regular toast.
In all honesty, when It comes down to it, it’s just regular commercial bread sliced way thinner. Their hamburger buns are slightly smaller than standard and very fluffy.
That’s perfectly fine with me. They do the intended job and taste great.
I will be making a loaf of homemade bread for dinner. Mine calls for 500gr flour, salt, yeast and water. I’ve been fascinated by the variation in weight for the completed loaf. Anywhere from 701gr to 770’ish. Strangely, it was the loaf that didn’t rise properly and was very dense that was the lightest.
I’m wondering if the weight doesn’t drop more as it cools and releases steam. (As if it would ever last that long!)
So many questions about everything. But curiosity is what makes life interesting, even if it is about the piddly stuff.
Today I continue my experiment with instant clear gel. I’m determined to make a sugar free pudding that doesn’t taste bitter, like the boxed stuff has started to.2 -
We all know CICO is key to everyone’s weight loss goal. I often hear people say scale that show body fat are inaccurate. And fitness machine like treadmill or activity tracker over estimate calories burned.
But it seems like people tend to believe the calories in their food that the restaurant puts up. The portions are cut by machines and cooked by different cook every day. The amount of oil used or how big of a scoop of sides you got all varies.
Why would you believe one but not the other?
In every restaurant I've worked at, and I've worked at a few, the portions and quantities of everything are scientifically controlled and managed. Frozen burger patties are the same size. Buns are all the same size. You're trained to put X pickles on something, no more no less. Condiment squirts are precision controlled. It's not just any old bottle of something, it's designed to be precise. Restaurant managers, as much as anything, are making sure no one in the back goes "cowboy" and puts 3.5 scoops of cheese on a pizza when it's only supposed to be 3. All of this is for revenue purposes. And as a consequence, for any reasonably successful franchise restaurant, you can indeed trust their calorie counts to within a reasonably small margin of error.
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The point is if 1 slice of 25 gram bread is 71 calories, its shocking that people can make hamburger buns that are 80 calories for top and bottom piece.
How is it shocking? Did you see my post!? Hundreds of brands have hamburger buns for 80-90 calories and slices of bread for 35-50 calories. You use butter, milk powder, oil, sugar which are high calories. None of these breads that are lower contain any of that or they use lower calorie replacements.
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »The point is if 1 slice of 25 gram bread is 71 calories, its shocking that people can make hamburger buns that are 80 calories for top and bottom piece.
How is it shocking? Did you see my post!? Hundreds of brands have hamburger buns for 80-90 calories and slices of bread for 35-50 calories. You use butter, milk powder, oil, sugar which are high calories. None of these breads that are lower contain any of that or they use lower calorie replacements.
Exactly, and a lot of hamburger buns don't weigh very much, as explained.4 -
I do not like super low calorie breads because they are too light and porous. If I was going to shocked about anything it would be that the calories are not lower for that flour sponge.6
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It just seems like a lot of the "i'm not losing weight post" nobody bring up the fact that if they are eating out, their calorie count probably isn't what they think it is. People usually say, it takes time, fluxuation or the it's not linear.
If one is overestimating exercise and underestimating calories, and most people want variety in the days.... then the question of how much deficit if you are indeed in one can wildly vary.Redordeadhead wrote: »I would say it also depends on the context. If I rarely eat at a restaurant or get take out, let's say once a month (which is pretty accurate right now), then the fact that the calories in that one restaurant meal might not be 100% correct is not the most relevant factor in why I'm not losing weight. If, however, I ate out 4 times a week, it would be a good question to ask.
I've read many threads on these forums in which the inaccuracy of calories in food prepared outside has actually been mentioned, so it is discussed sometimes.
In every thread I've ever seen where the OP says they aren't losing as expected and eat out a lot, someone, usually many someones, points to the eating out as a likely culprit.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »It just seems like a lot of the "i'm not losing weight post" nobody bring up the fact that if they are eating out, their calorie count probably isn't what they think it is. People usually say, it takes time, fluxuation or the it's not linear.
If one is overestimating exercise and underestimating calories, and most people want variety in the days.... then the question of how much deficit if you are indeed in one can wildly vary.Redordeadhead wrote: »I would say it also depends on the context. If I rarely eat at a restaurant or get take out, let's say once a month (which is pretty accurate right now), then the fact that the calories in that one restaurant meal might not be 100% correct is not the most relevant factor in why I'm not losing weight. If, however, I ate out 4 times a week, it would be a good question to ask.
I've read many threads on these forums in which the inaccuracy of calories in food prepared outside has actually been mentioned, so it is discussed sometimes.
In every thread I've ever seen where the OP says they aren't losing as expected and eat out a lot, someone, usually many someones, points to the eating out as a likely culprit.
Especially when the OP in question doesn't bother logging meals out because it's "impossible," or logs random user-created entries that they make no attempt to verify, or makes an attempt at deconstructing the meal that looks woefully underestimated on amounts for main ingredients and makes no allowances for added fats.2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »The point is if 1 slice of 25 gram bread is 71 calories, its shocking that people can make hamburger buns that are 80 calories for top and bottom piece.
How is it shocking? Did you see my post!? Hundreds of brands have hamburger buns for 80-90 calories and slices of bread for 35-50 calories. You use butter, milk powder, oil, sugar which are high calories. None of these breads that are lower contain any of that or they use lower calorie replacements.Redordeadhead wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »The point is if 1 slice of 25 gram bread is 71 calories, its shocking that people can make hamburger buns that are 80 calories for top and bottom piece.
How is it shocking? Did you see my post!? Hundreds of brands have hamburger buns for 80-90 calories and slices of bread for 35-50 calories. You use butter, milk powder, oil, sugar which are high calories. None of these breads that are lower contain any of that or they use lower calorie replacements.
Exactly, and a lot of hamburger buns don't weigh very much, as explained.
This and this. Breads vary a lot by density. When I make homemade bread (which I don't really do anymore, but I used to), it was typically denser than any low cal storebought bread. That's what Lynn was getting at with the question about weight too -- the weights of different bread items are going to vary a lot, depending both on the volume and how dense they are.
If I'm making a homemade burger, the bun isn't important to me, so I usually get a low cal one. Never stopped me from losing and I have no reason to think the cals are wrong.
Also, you said your bread was about as basic as can be, but the most basic bread is really just flour, water, and yeast. Lots of bread recipes are similar, see: https://bakerbettie.com/four-ingredient-no-kneadbread/0 -
We all know CICO is key to everyone’s weight loss goal. I often hear people say scale that show body fat are inaccurate. And fitness machine like treadmill or activity tracker over estimate calories burned.
But it seems like people tend to believe the calories in their food that the restaurant puts up. The portions are cut by machines and cooked by different cook every day. The amount of oil used or how big of a scoop of sides you got all varies.
Why would you believe one but not the other?
In every restaurant I've worked at, and I've worked at a few, the portions and quantities of everything are scientifically controlled and managed. Frozen burger patties are the same size. Buns are all the same size. You're trained to put X pickles on something, no more no less. Condiment squirts are precision controlled. It's not just any old bottle of something, it's designed to be precise. Restaurant managers, as much as anything, are making sure no one in the back goes "cowboy" and puts 3.5 scoops of cheese on a pizza when it's only supposed to be 3. All of this is for revenue purposes. And as a consequence, for any reasonably successful franchise restaurant, you can indeed trust their calorie counts to within a reasonably small margin of error.
I came here to say this. Restaurants operate on a very slim profit margin. Food costs are calculated abs watched very closely against what actually gets used/sold. Restaurants are way more accurate then people think.4 -
I know there are buns out there that claim 80 calories. However I bought a breadmaker to make my own bread, and using as basic ingridents as possible to make bread, 80 calories would be essentially 1 slice of bread.
I make my own bread. A 'slice of bread' is as big as you cut it!4
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