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Airlines may start weighing plus size passengers
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I heard about this yesterday. Unlike a vehicle or ship, WEIGHT matters much much more when traveling by air. How the weight is dispersed on a plane matters much more than vehicles by land travel or by ship for obvious reasons. For the longest time now, aviation has used an average weight per person to decide on passengers and luggage for capacity on a plane. But with the ever growing waistlines of many, it's becoming more of a concern for safety issues. While a few hundered pounds don't matter as much to other vehicles, with planes is does matter much more.
So now airlines are possibly looking at random weighing of passengers who likely exceed the average weight. Personally I do see this a couple of ways: it is a safety issue. If they do institute this, they better have a great back up plan for those that they may deem may not be able to board a flight due to weight overload.
Okay, let's hear it.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/airlines-to-weigh-passengers-before-boarding-airplanes/
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So now airlines are possibly looking at random weighing of passengers who likely exceed the average weight. Personally I do see this a couple of ways: it is a safety issue. If they do institute this, they better have a great back up plan for those that they may deem may not be able to board a flight due to weight overload.
Okay, let's hear it.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/airlines-to-weigh-passengers-before-boarding-airplanes/
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It'd be embarrassing to be pulled out for a weight check before boarding a plane, but I'd rather be embarrassed than be in a plane that crashed due to the overall weight being too high.
This seems like the case of a sucky solution to a real problem . . . but there may not be a better alternative solution.
I would say that they could ask people to self-report their weight at time of ticket purchase, but I don't know if you could count on accurate self-reporting, especially if people felt it might increase ticket price.8 -
Granted, disclosure is optional. However, this seems like a odd problem solving approach.
If passengers are getting larger (in an era where the aviation industry has been decreasing the sizes of their seats to increase capacity and profit margins) then seating room should be the first consideration.
I say bring back the seat space and leg room that was standard back in, like, the 80s.
(Picky sidenote from an aging curmudgeon: Also, the decorum of flying back then was much better than it is now. You'd dress appropriately - but still comfortably - to fly. Whereas since the 2000s, the dress code, hygiene and attitude of passengers - even in business or first - leaves much to be desired. Although this could also be because people are being packed into planes like sardines 🤷🏿♀️)28 -
Apparently they would weigh them out of sight (maybe right after security check?) so that other passengers don't see it. What I think is odd is that there may be an "opt out" for passengers who get selected. But how then do they cover keeping those passengers from boarding?janejellyroll wrote: »It'd be embarrassing to be pulled out for a weight check before boarding a plane, but I'd rather be embarrassed than be in a plane that crashed due to the overall weight being too high.
This seems like the case of a sucky solution to a real problem . . . but there may not be a better alternative solution.
I would say that they could ask people to self-report their weight at time of ticket purchase, but I don't know if you could count on accurate self-reporting, especially if people felt it might increase ticket price.
I've seen FAMILIES of large people boarding a plane at one time and knowing that they exceed the average weight limit (200lbs for adults and 100lbs for children) by several hundred pounds.
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Will they raise the prices for the overweight flyers or eliminate the last to board passengers from flying? What a mess that will be.6
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It's not about raising the price, it's about how much weight can be allowed on a plane to fly safely. If they don't stop passengers, then the next thing they may nix to reduce weight is LUGGAGE. So your luggage as a passenger on that flight, may come on another plane arriving later.L1zardQueen wrote: »Will they raise the prices for the overweight flyers or eliminate the last to board passengers from flying? What a mess that will be.
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It's not about raising the price, it's about how much weight can be allowed on a plane to fly safely. If they don't stop passengers, then the next thing they may nix to reduce weight is LUGGAGE. So your luggage as a passenger on that flight, may come on another plane arriving later.L1zardQueen wrote: »Will they raise the prices for the overweight flyers or eliminate the last to board passengers from flying? What a mess that will be.
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Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the past behavior of airlines makes me understand why some people might feel like this could be used as a justification for tiered prices based on weight. They haven't exactly acted in a way that inspires confidence that this WOULDN'T be used that way at some point.9 -
When at a ticket counter checking in our bags on a domestic flight, we were next to a really tall and obese couple. The bags they were checking were the twice the size of ours. I thought the must have some really big clothes in their bag to boot.5
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So it's been a couple of years since I've flown, but they still charge extra for over-weight luggage, right?8
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I heard about this yesterday. Unlike a vehicle or ship, WEIGHT matters much much more when traveling by air. How the weight is dispersed on a plane matters much more than vehicles by land travel or by ship for obvious reasons. For the longest time now, aviation has used an average weight per person to decide on passengers and luggage for capacity on a plane. But with the ever growing waistlines of many, it's becoming more of a concern for safety issues. While a few hundered pounds don't matter as much to other vehicles, with planes is does matter much more.
So now airlines are possibly looking at random weighing of passengers who likely exceed the average weight. Personally I do see this a couple of ways: it is a safety issue. If they do institute this, they better have a great back up plan for those that they may deem may not be able to board a flight due to weight overload.
Okay, let's hear it.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/airlines-to-weigh-passengers-before-boarding-airplanes/
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I've been on numerous small commuter planes (30 passengers or less) and after everyone was boarded the attendant said they were overweight and asked for volunteers to get off and get a later flight and a travel voucher for their trouble or move people around to balance weight.
Heck we were even on a Airbus 200 or so seat plane where they didn't fill the last 8 rows because it would have been too heavy for the runway at Maui Airport headed to LA.
I'm thinking it will ultimately result in a surcharge (user fee) for heavier passengers. But it will be a *kitten* storm.
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Granted, disclosure is optional. However, this seems like a odd problem solving approach.
If passengers are getting larger (in an era where the aviation industry has been decreasing the sizes of their seats to increase capacity and profit margins) then seating room should be the first consideration.
I say bring back the seat space and leg room that was standard back in, like, the 80s.
(Picky sidenote from an aging curmudgeon: Also, the decorum of flying back then was much better than it is now. You'd dress appropriately - but still comfortably - to fly. Whereas since the 2000s, the dress code, hygiene and attitude of passengers - even in business or first - leaves much to be desired. Although this could also be because people are being packed into planes like sardines 🤷🏿♀️)
Air travel has become the Greyhound bus of the 2000's. In the 1980's prices were much higher as a % of the typical income and it was a financial choice for most. Now with cheap fares virtually anyone can fly.
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If the average weight per person is going up in general, then they can adjust their average weight calculation accordingly. It would be ridiculously impractical for a commercial airline to handle it any other way.
Edit: Did you read the article? They are doing it as a survey in order to come up with a new average weight to use. They are not doing it to ascertain whether a specific flight is overweight.12 -
Realistically, they should be weighing all passengers. Think of some of the athletes who are muscular... It wouldn't bother me as much if everyone was weighed.6
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YellowD0gs wrote: »So it's been a couple of years since I've flown, but they still charge extra for over-weight luggage, right?
They do! Most charge for any luggage and then it's an extra $$ for overweight luggage.0 -
If this is about collecting better data rather than immediate safety concerns, there should be a scale at every gate. When you go to scan your boarding pass, you stand on that scale while holding all of your carry-on luggage. Right now your carry-on luggage never gets weighed, and if airlines are serious about getting a true average, they need to account for that. The scale would then transmit that data directly to a computer bank, and your weight does not pop up on a screen for any operator to see. Theoretically your privacy isn't invaded since your name is not stored with your weight and no human sees that number in real time.
If you could tie that weight to the seat number without storing other passenger info, it would be easy to see if there's a section of the aircraft that's out of balance based on the weigh-ins. In the long run, airlines and plane manufacturers could get a true average rather than whatever they hope to achieve with these potentially offensive and invasive spot checks.
FWIW, very small planes already make you weigh in, and if you don't weigh in you don't fly because none of us want to die.11 -
DeterminedDivaMN wrote: »Realistically, they should be weighing all passengers. Think of some of the athletes who are muscular... It wouldn't bother me as much if everyone was weighed.
If someone appears to be at or under the average weight, what's the point of weighing them?
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janejellyroll wrote: »DeterminedDivaMN wrote: »Realistically, they should be weighing all passengers. Think of some of the athletes who are muscular... It wouldn't bother me as much if everyone was weighed.
If someone appears to be at or under the average weight, what's the point of weighing them?
Especially small planes are pretty picky about weight. No need to make the gate person into a carnival guess the weight sideshow4 -
(i.e. people and their weight and the airlines...)0
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janejellyroll wrote: »DeterminedDivaMN wrote: »Realistically, they should be weighing all passengers. Think of some of the athletes who are muscular... It wouldn't bother me as much if everyone was weighed.
If someone appears to be at or under the average weight, what's the point of weighing them?
Accurate data. If your concern is the whole load of the plane, weigh everyone. You can see if the plane is at risk of being maxed out. And if you weigh everyone, no one can cry discrimination.9 -
(Picky sidenote from an aging curmudgeon: Also, the decorum of flying back then was much better than it is now. You'd dress appropriately - but still comfortably - to fly. Whereas since the 2000s, the dress code, hygiene and attitude of passengers - even in business or first - leaves much to be desired. Although this could also be because people are being packed into planes like sardines 🤷🏿♀️)
When I was a kid in the '70s and '80s, we'd get to buy a special airplane dress before flying across the country. I thought of being on a plane something you dressed up to do. I also loved to fly.
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