Coronavirus prep
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since the last outbreak of a potential pandemic in the early 2000's was it, the eastern Asian countries have adopted wearing masks in the flu season. I've not heard of that many flu cases this year in the UK. I do confess to having two colds where as I usually have none, these were from close contact with under 4's one of whom goes to nursery.1
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snowflake954 wrote: »I think people are just tired of wearing masks and don't even want to think ahead to the next flu season. Perhaps we'll just naturally see people wearing them, especially if they have a cold and need to go out. However that's to be seen.
This. I was hoping that we'd reach a point in the west that it would be acceptable to wear a mask in public without people giving you weird looks. It would be nice if people wore masks at work if they have a cold or mild flu and aren't able to work from home. I'm sympathetic to those who work in places where they don't get paid days off if they're sick.16 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
I think people are just tired of wearing masks and don't even want to think ahead to the next flu season. Perhaps we'll just naturally see people wearing them, especially if they have a cold and need to go out. However that's to be seen.
I doubt it. (Call me a cynic.) Even among people who've supported masking requirements, in my experience IRL and what I read here in the threads, the overwhelming (though not universal) reason people wear masks (or at least how they talk about their reasoning) is to protect themselves, or protect vulnerable people near and dear to them. Even in recent posts on this thread, about whether people will wear masks during flu season, the talk is about "I liked not being sick as often this year, so I might wear a mask in future".
The idea that we ought to wear a mask to protect *other* people when *we're* sick runs counter to the common reasoning about masks, it seems like. I don't think that impulse will occur, at least not routinely.15 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I've been thinking about something that may make me sound like a jerk...
I keep hearing fully vaccinated people saying that they are continuing to take all the precautions that they took pre-vaccine, so they can "protect the unvaccinated".
In the U.S., everyone over 12 years old has the opportunity to get vaccinated. There are no supply problems, and most providers no longer require an appointment, you can just walk in.
If you are over 12 years old in the U.S., and you are not vaccinated, then that is a choice you have made. You are choosing to put yourself at risk. What lengths am I supposed to go to in order to protect you?
I fully understand that there are immunocompromised people out there, and that is why I will continue to wear my mask and keep my distance in essential businesses, like grocery stores, the post office, etc. However, I must assume that immunocompromised people would not put themselves in large, unmasked crowds, like concerts or crowded restaurants. That was true before Covid if you were receiving immunotherapy.
I also wear my mask and keep distance from kids that are too young to be vaccinated.
But for adults...It sounds callous when I type this out, but if you choose not to protect yourself, I have little appetite for doing it for you.
I guess I'm just sick of hearing the vaccine excuses.
I just now got my second dose 2 days ago. And I got my first dose the day after eligibility opened up for my group. I didn't waste any time.
In line, there were many, many young people getting their very first shots. It's only been 2 days for the people in my line. They aren't protected yet.
These people weren't willfully blowing off the vax. They just didn't get it as early as you got it, for whatever reason. There were two teen girls in front of me. One said she had to wait a week so she could get a ride from the other girl. People can't always just up and do things.
I get that you might be annoyed if people are still fooling around, delaying vaxes into the summer, but it's still early for the very latest groups.
Just because you're fully vaxxed at this point, doesn't mean the people who come after you are slackers who deserve less consideration. We're not all operating on the same timeline of vaccine availability.
It would have been nice if CDC had waited to drop the mask recommendations until after the minimum vax period for at least the first dose of the final group was completed. I mean, what's one more month of masking for our fellow human beings?
I do agree that we shouldn't waste too much effort on people who willingly choose to endanger themselves at this point. I have zero sympathy for antivaxxers who end up sick.
I can only speak for New Mexico...but at this point if someone in New Mexico hasn't been vaccinated yet, they are most definitely dragging their heals. We've been open to all age groups since early to mid April...no appointments necessary and you can just walk into a pharmacy and get your jab and it's been that way for awhile now. I was one of the last to have to wait on the NMDOH to call and tell you that your vaccine is ready and available, and my 2nd shot was April 2.
At my office, we are about 70% vaccinated with about 30% dragging their heals. We just dropped our employee mask requirement for those who are fully vaccinated as of today. Otherwise, mask is still required and anyone not fully vaccinated who is caught in the building without a mask will be put on a week long suspension without pay. Also, if fully vaccinated we are free to travel between states without quarantine...unvaccinated still requires quarantine after travel with no work from home option and you have to take vacation time. That has finally gotten some people out scrambling to get vaccinated, but it's still going to take them six weeks or so to be fully vaccinated...when they could have just done this a month or two ago...and in many cases earlier because they were notified that a vaccine was available to them and they declined.15 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
I think people are just tired of wearing masks and don't even want to think ahead to the next flu season. Perhaps we'll just naturally see people wearing them, especially if they have a cold and need to go out. However that's to be seen.
I doubt it. (Call me a cynic.) Even among people who've supported masking requirements, in my experience IRL and what I read here in the threads, the overwhelming (though not universal) reason people wear masks (or at least how they talk about their reasoning) is to protect themselves, or protect vulnerable people near and dear to them. Even in recent posts on this thread, about whether people will wear masks during flu season, the talk is about "I liked not being sick as often this year, so I might wear a mask in future".
The idea that we ought to wear a mask to protect *other* people when *we're* sick runs counter to the common reasoning about masks, it seems like. I don't think that impulse will occur, at least not routinely.
Well, call me an optimist, but my real point is this--there is no way anyone can say what will happen come fall when the virus spikes again. As we've all seen COVID keeps changing things up, and it's still running rampant in certain parts of the world. In the past, the idea of wearing a mask never even occurred to a normal person. Do I think a majority would wear masks if not forced? Nope. But if I worked in an office, or rode public transportation, I might if I had a cough and cold or flu symptoms so I wouldn't spread it. I also imagine someone coughing or sneezing in close quarters will not pass unobserved in the future.12 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I've been thinking about something that may make me sound like a jerk...
I keep hearing fully vaccinated people saying that they are continuing to take all the precautions that they took pre-vaccine, so they can "protect the unvaccinated".
In the U.S., everyone over 12 years old has the opportunity to get vaccinated. There are no supply problems, and most providers no longer require an appointment, you can just walk in.
If you are over 12 years old in the U.S., and you are not vaccinated, then that is a choice you have made. You are choosing to put yourself at risk. What lengths am I supposed to go to in order to protect you?
I fully understand that there are immunocompromised people out there, and that is why I will continue to wear my mask and keep my distance in essential businesses, like grocery stores, the post office, etc. However, I must assume that immunocompromised people would not put themselves in large, unmasked crowds, like concerts or crowded restaurants. That was true before Covid if you were receiving immunotherapy.
I also wear my mask and keep distance from kids that are too young to be vaccinated.
But for adults...It sounds callous when I type this out, but if you choose not to protect yourself, I have little appetite for doing it for you.
I guess I'm just sick of hearing the vaccine excuses.
I just now got my second dose 2 days ago. And I got my first dose the day after eligibility opened up for my group. I didn't waste any time.
In line, there were many, many young people getting their very first shots. It's only been 2 days for the people in my line. They aren't protected yet.
These people weren't willfully blowing off the vax. They just didn't get it as early as you got it, for whatever reason. There were two teen girls in front of me. One said she had to wait a week so she could get a ride from the other girl. People can't always just up and do things.
I get that you might be annoyed if people are still fooling around, delaying vaxes into the summer, but it's still early for the very latest groups.
Just because you're fully vaxxed at this point, doesn't mean the people who come after you are slackers who deserve less consideration. We're not all operating on the same timeline of vaccine availability.
It would have been nice if CDC had waited to drop the mask recommendations until after the minimum vax period for at least the first dose of the final group was completed. I mean, what's one more month of masking for our fellow human beings?
I do agree that we shouldn't waste too much effort on people who willingly choose to endanger themselves at this point. I have zero sympathy for antivaxxers who end up sick.
I can only speak for New Mexico...but at this point if someone in New Mexico hasn't been vaccinated yet, they are most definitely dragging their heals. We've been open to all age groups since early to mid April...no appointments necessary and you can just walk into a pharmacy and get your jab and it's been that way for awhile now. I was one of the last to have to wait on the NMDOH to call and tell you that your vaccine is ready and available, and my 2nd shot was April 2.
At my office, we are about 70% vaccinated with about 30% dragging their heals. We just dropped our employee mask requirement for those who are fully vaccinated as of today. Otherwise, mask is still required and anyone not fully vaccinated who is caught in the building without a mask will be put on a week long suspension without pay. Also, if fully vaccinated we are free to travel between states without quarantine...unvaccinated still requires quarantine after travel with no work from home option and you have to take vacation time. That has finally gotten some people out scrambling to get vaccinated, but it's still going to take them six weeks or so to be fully vaccinated...when they could have just done this a month or two ago...and in many cases earlier because they were notified that a vaccine was available to them and they declined.
I understand that CDC is an American agency and what they do is thus not applicable to Finland but: we’re still vaccinating the 45-49 age group, and the last group, 16-19, is estimated to open on July 19th. I have still seen a big decline in mask-wearing in the last couple of weeks, even in younger people, in public places like grocery stores.8 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I've been thinking about something that may make me sound like a jerk...
I keep hearing fully vaccinated people saying that they are continuing to take all the precautions that they took pre-vaccine, so they can "protect the unvaccinated".
In the U.S., everyone over 12 years old has the opportunity to get vaccinated. There are no supply problems, and most providers no longer require an appointment, you can just walk in.
If you are over 12 years old in the U.S., and you are not vaccinated, then that is a choice you have made. You are choosing to put yourself at risk. What lengths am I supposed to go to in order to protect you?
I fully understand that there are immunocompromised people out there, and that is why I will continue to wear my mask and keep my distance in essential businesses, like grocery stores, the post office, etc. However, I must assume that immunocompromised people would not put themselves in large, unmasked crowds, like concerts or crowded restaurants. That was true before Covid if you were receiving immunotherapy.
I also wear my mask and keep distance from kids that are too young to be vaccinated.
But for adults...It sounds callous when I type this out, but if you choose not to protect yourself, I have little appetite for doing it for you.
I guess I'm just sick of hearing the vaccine excuses.
I just now got my second dose 2 days ago. And I got my first dose the day after eligibility opened up for my group. I didn't waste any time.
In line, there were many, many young people getting their very first shots. It's only been 2 days for the people in my line. They aren't protected yet.
These people weren't willfully blowing off the vax. They just didn't get it as early as you got it, for whatever reason. There were two teen girls in front of me. One said she had to wait a week so she could get a ride from the other girl. People can't always just up and do things.
I get that you might be annoyed if people are still fooling around, delaying vaxes into the summer, but it's still early for the very latest groups.
Just because you're fully vaxxed at this point, doesn't mean the people who come after you are slackers who deserve less consideration. We're not all operating on the same timeline of vaccine availability.
It would have been nice if CDC had waited to drop the mask recommendations until after the minimum vax period for at least the first dose of the final group was completed. I mean, what's one more month of masking for our fellow human beings?
I do agree that we shouldn't waste too much effort on people who willingly choose to endanger themselves at this point. I have zero sympathy for antivaxxers who end up sick.
I can only speak for New Mexico...but at this point if someone in New Mexico hasn't been vaccinated yet, they are most definitely dragging their heals. We've been open to all age groups since early to mid April...no appointments necessary and you can just walk into a pharmacy and get your jab and it's been that way for awhile now. I was one of the last to have to wait on the NMDOH to call and tell you that your vaccine is ready and available, and my 2nd shot was April 2.
At my office, we are about 70% vaccinated with about 30% dragging their heals. We just dropped our employee mask requirement for those who are fully vaccinated as of today. Otherwise, mask is still required and anyone not fully vaccinated who is caught in the building without a mask will be put on a week long suspension without pay. Also, if fully vaccinated we are free to travel between states without quarantine...unvaccinated still requires quarantine after travel with no work from home option and you have to take vacation time. That has finally gotten some people out scrambling to get vaccinated, but it's still going to take them six weeks or so to be fully vaccinated...when they could have just done this a month or two ago...and in many cases earlier because they were notified that a vaccine was available to them and they declined.
I understand that CDC is an American agency and what they do is thus not applicable to Finland but: we’re still vaccinating the 45-49 age group, and the last group, 16-19, is estimated to open on July 19th. I have still seen a big decline in mask-wearing in the last couple of weeks, even in younger people, in public places like grocery stores.
Oh, I get that. Even in the states we have some that are lagging. My comment was more in regards to continuing to wear masks to protect unvaccinated people who for the most part in NM are willingly unvaccinated...they aren't waiting for their turn or anything like that. I have zero compulsion to wear a mask to protect willingly unvaccinated people.12 -
In Iowa, they have been vaccinating all eligible age groups for the last several weeks. Anyone who doesn't have it yet most likely doesn't want to get the vax.
They were cancellig clinics a couple of months ago due to not enough people signing up for them.5 -
musicfan68 wrote: »In Iowa, they have been vaccinating all eligible age groups for the last several weeks. Anyone who doesn't have it yet most likely doesn't want to get the vax.
They were cancellig clinics a couple of months ago due to not enough people signing up for them.
Yup...same for NM. I had my 2nd shot on April 2 at a mass vax center and they shut those down after that week I believe. NM is also number one in the US for getting available doses into arms at about 94%. Just bragging a little because NM is not generally first in anything good.14 -
Husband and I get our AZ jab in 3 days time 12
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Ontario is at almost 60% eligible vaccinated and have opened up to everyone 12 and up now. I complained a lot about our rollout but I have to admit that once the supply of vaccines stabilized we are getting it done now.
And now that 90% of my moms home residents and staff are vaccinated I don’t have to get tested weekly! Sure won’t miss my weekly brain poke.16 -
My husband gets his tomorrow - now it is availableto everyone over 50 here
Got mine a few weeks ago - although I am younger than him, I qualified under health workers.14 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
Also, it seems any mention of masks, one way or the other, gets at least one Disagree on this thread.
I, for one, actually like wearing masks in public, but that's more about my social anxiety. In reality, I'd only wear them in the future if I'm sick myself.12 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
Also, it seems any mention of masks, one way or the other, gets at least one Disagree on this thread.
I, for one, actually like wearing masks in public, but that's more about my social anxiety. In reality, I'd only wear them in the future if I'm sick myself.
I think you're absolutely right. Masks. Masks. Masks. Masks. Now, let's see what happens.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
Also, it seems any mention of masks, one way or the other, gets at least one Disagree on this thread.
I, for one, actually like wearing masks in public, but that's more about my social anxiety. In reality, I'd only wear them in the future if I'm sick myself.
I don't think I have ever made a post about anything that didn't get at least one disagree.
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oh me neither.
even simple factual things like "vaccine program is starting in Australia next week"
or personal factual things " I am on thyroxine 75mg/day"
Not quite sure what somebody is disagreeing with sometimes.
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snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
I think people are just tired of wearing masks and don't even want to think ahead to the next flu season. Perhaps we'll just naturally see people wearing them, especially if they have a cold and need to go out. However that's to be seen.
I doubt it. (Call me a cynic.) Even among people who've supported masking requirements, in my experience IRL and what I read here in the threads, the overwhelming (though not universal) reason people wear masks (or at least how they talk about their reasoning) is to protect themselves, or protect vulnerable people near and dear to them. Even in recent posts on this thread, about whether people will wear masks during flu season, the talk is about "I liked not being sick as often this year, so I might wear a mask in future".
The idea that we ought to wear a mask to protect *other* people when *we're* sick runs counter to the common reasoning about masks, it seems like. I don't think that impulse will occur, at least not routinely.
Well, call me an optimist, but my real point is this--there is no way anyone can say what will happen come fall when the virus spikes again. As we've all seen COVID keeps changing things up, and it's still running rampant in certain parts of the world. In the past, the idea of wearing a mask never even occurred to a normal person. Do I think a majority would wear masks if not forced? Nope. But if I worked in an office, or rode public transportation, I might if I had a cough and cold or flu symptoms so I wouldn't spread it. I also imagine someone coughing or sneezing in close quarters will not pass unobserved in the future.
@snowflake954 i am an optimist as well. I might modify your “when” to an “if”.
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I get the differences in opinion on masks but can we all agree that some are just being silly. I was just driving my car and I am in an area were street are 25 feet wide and both cars and people are not frequent. It is a quiet area. Despite that, when I was out driving I passed a woman walking a dog. No other humans in sight and she was wearing a mask. Those are the people I don’t understand.10
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »I would like to see masks become the norm during flu season. Going a full year without catching a cold or the flu has been a positive.
I've worn a mask as prescribed by local rules during 'Rona.
I'm not buying into wearing one every year during whatever is considered "flu season". Most people didn't catch the flu or cold because they didn't go anywhere in the 2020-21 flu season. I've had a flu shot annually since the early '90s and never had the flu before that. MAYBE one cold for a couple days a year. Not worth masking for IMO.
Is this why the disagrees on my post? I didn't mean make it mandatory. Instead, make it an acceptable choice for anyone to wear with an extra dose of approval if they wear one when they have a cold. I plan on wearing one this fall/winter, not just for protection but for keeping out the freezing air.
I, for one, actually like wearing masks in public, but that's more about my social anxiety. In reality, I'd only wear them in the future if I'm sick myself.
I love them and will probably continue wearing them long after everyone else gives them up.- They're a fashion accessory, in my world. I have some damn cute ones.
- They keep my nose warm when I'm out walking on a chilly day, no more constant dabbing at a runny nose.
- They offer some protection from those folks who marinate themselves in perfumed body spray, as well as the fabric softener aisle.
- No more men telling me to "Smile!".
- Added UV protection when I'm out in the sun.
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I get the differences in opinion on masks but can we all agree that some are just being silly. I was just driving my car and I am in an area were street are 25 feet wide and both cars and people are not frequent. It is a quiet area. Despite that, when I was out driving I passed a woman walking a dog. No other humans in sight and she was wearing a mask. Those are the people I don’t understand.
Maybe she is not vaccinated or can't be vaccinated. Maybe she has allergies and wants more protection, or she has a cold.
Or maybe she is like me and prefer to hide her wrinkles...
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