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Physical activity plays such a minisculus percentage of the weight loss , that on you place I would desregard it at all. Concentrate on your real weight. How much do you want to loose ? is it 10 12 lb? If so , then compare it to your theoretical water retention weight. water can accumulate in the range 2-3lb. It's such small amount. So to determine your real weight without water, just eat couple days NO CARBS. And don't excercise couple days. All water (glycogenical and theoretical "exercise water retention) escapes and you will see your real number on the scale finaly. Than you will see how much really you want to loose.
Please, listen. if you exployted all the tecniques, for so many years, just let the low carb diet get in to the play. I predict it will be effortless loss of weight, Why people so affraid to forgive bread, rice, spagetty and fruits? The answer is near, just open your eyes and don't let hormon insulin stop you from simple your weight loss resolution
The experiment you propose is interesting for her to have a look at how much glycogen and water she may be retaining, especially the two or three days without exercise / stress induced by such.
However, why do you think that the WEIGHT that will be lost by removing the carbs and water stored in her glycogen has ANYTHING to do with the FAT that she MAY want to lose?5 -
I proposed to take away from the picture all water interference, then she will see clean fat weight. And only then to start doing weight (fat) loss program0
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I proposed to take away from the picture all water interference, then she will see clean fat weight. And only then to start doing weight (fat) loss program
BUT, you initially said:just let the low carb diet get in to the play. I predict it will be effortless loss of weight, Why people so affraid to forgive bread, rice, spagetty and fruits? The answer is near, just open your eyes and don't let hormon insulin stop you from simple your weight loss resolution
Keto will move weight. I don't know if it will work well for an endurance runner/biker. And I don't know if it will move fat for her any better than anything else.1 -
Keto and just low carb are two different things. Everybody who is fat adopted can get in and out of ketosis in a matter of 1 day. It is very usefull for indurance athletes. Actually for all types of athletes...and not athletes at all. Even without any exercise one can loose weight on low carbs.0
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Keto and just low carb are two different things. Everybody who is fat adopted can get in and out of ketosis in a matter of 1 day. It is very usefull for indurance athletes. Actually for all types of athletes...and not athletes at all. Even without any exercise one can loose weight on low carbs.
Even without any exercise, people can lose weight on balanced macros. We see people here do that reasonably often.
The majority of elite endurance athletes do not follow ketogenic diets (some do). If a ketosis was demonstrably superior for athletic performance, essentially all elites would be eating that way. They have the very best science-based nutritional advice, and will do nearly anything to squeeze out an addition 0.01% performance advantage.13 -
Physical activity plays such a minisculus percentage of the weight loss , that on you place I would desregard it at all. Concentrate on your real weight. How much do you want to loose ? is it 10 12 lb? If so , then compare it to your theoretical water retention weight. water can accumulate in the range 2-3lb. It's such small amount. So to determine your real weight without water, just eat couple days NO CARBS. And don't excercise couple days. All water (glycogenical and theoretical "exercise water retention) escapes and you will see your real number on the scale finaly. Than you will see how much really you want to loose.
Please, listen. if you exployted all the tecniques, for so many years, just let the low carb diet get in to the play. I predict it will be effortless loss of weight, Why people so affraid to forgive bread, rice, spagetty and fruits? The answer is near, just open your eyes and don't let hormon insulin stop you from simple your weight loss resolution
Curious to know where you get your 2-3lb figure from. My water weight loss/gain has about a 10lb range whatever my weight is.
Additionally doing low carb/keto doesn't take away all water weight interference, just that affected by carb consumption. There are numerous factors that affect your body's fluid levels:
Exercise
Hydration
Electrolyte levels
Medication
Alcohol Intake
Injury
Climate
Hormones
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No, I won't dehydrate. It's not really that much different to just taking a water pill. Plus, as someone who can't get much good stuff out of fats and for whom too much protein causes reflux I can't just not eat carbs. Hey, my normal too much fat crashes are bad. Going totally no carb would likely end me in hospital. Yes, I have some actual metabolic issues (compared to 'I can't lose, my metabolism is broken').
Interesting: last night I had another whoosh. Lets see in two days if it stays or goes away again.6 -
No, I won't dehydrate. It's not really that much different to just taking a water pill. Plus, as someone who can't get much good stuff out of fats and for whom too much protein causes reflux I can't just not eat carbs. Hey, my normal too much fat crashes are bad. Going totally no carb would likely end me in hospital. Yes, I have some actual metabolic issues (compared to 'I can't lose, my metabolism is broken').
Interesting: last night I had another whoosh. Lets see in two days if it stays or goes away again.
Woohoo - 🍀 was the last day or two one of your lighter exercise days?2 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »No, I won't dehydrate. It's not really that much different to just taking a water pill. Plus, as someone who can't get much good stuff out of fats and for whom too much protein causes reflux I can't just not eat carbs. Hey, my normal too much fat crashes are bad. Going totally no carb would likely end me in hospital. Yes, I have some actual metabolic issues (compared to 'I can't lose, my metabolism is broken').
Interesting: last night I had another whoosh. Lets see in two days if it stays or goes away again.
Woohoo - 🍀 was the last day or two one of your lighter exercise days?
Nope, yesterday was my long run. As ever I drank a pile of water and tea afterwards and had a pickle as it's rather warm at the moment.2 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »No, I won't dehydrate. It's not really that much different to just taking a water pill. Plus, as someone who can't get much good stuff out of fats and for whom too much protein causes reflux I can't just not eat carbs. Hey, my normal too much fat crashes are bad. Going totally no carb would likely end me in hospital. Yes, I have some actual metabolic issues (compared to 'I can't lose, my metabolism is broken').
Interesting: last night I had another whoosh. Lets see in two days if it stays or goes away again.
Woohoo - 🍀 was the last day or two one of your lighter exercise days?
Nope, yesterday was my long run. As ever I drank a pile of water and tea afterwards and had a pickle as it's rather warm at the moment.
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Keto and just low carb are two different things. Everybody who is fat adopted can get in and out of ketosis in a matter of 1 day. It is very usefull for indurance athletes. Actually for all types of athletes...and not athletes at all. Even without any exercise one can loose weight on low carbs.
Keto is the worst diet for athletes concerned with performance. The very few high level keto athletes time their carb intake very carefully around their exercise.
It could theorectically be useful for ultra-endurance events where the athlete doesn't have access to food but that's about it.
Yes without carbs and exercise people can lose weight but the statement that people can lose weight with moderate to high carb diets can also lose weight is also true.8 -
Keto and just low carb are two different things. Everybody who is fat adopted can get in and out of ketosis in a matter of 1 day. It is very usefull for indurance athletes. Actually for all types of athletes...and not athletes at all. Even without any exercise one can loose weight on low carbs.
Keto is the worst diet for athletes concerned with performance. The very few high level keto athletes time their carb intake very carefully around their exercise.
It could theorectically be useful for ultra-endurance events where the athlete doesn't have access to food but that's about it.
Yes without carbs and exercise people can lose weight but the statement that people can lose weight with moderate to high carb diets can also lose weight is also true.
Just going keto without knowing about the person and without telling them about the electrolyte loss can also be dangerous. Tell that someone who has addisons for example. It could also be potentially problematic for me if it coincided with one of my lactic acidoses.6 -
If you have so many problems with you health/metabolism, on your place I would trust only myself. Do your own experimentation with different types of diets, amount of macros, amount of calories. You have tons of choises with cyclical diets too. For example, one cheat day a week, two cheat days a week, 24hrs fasting or 18:6 intermittent fasting. Carb load day or carb deficit day. All instruments in your disposal1
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Hmm.. maybe this was a proper whoosh after all. Two days weight down, today still somewhat down (had my long cycling/hiking day yesterday and weight is always up afterwards due to water retention). Maybe it's going in the right direction.12
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So my weight seems to be trending around 64.2km for two days with minimal fluctuation. Hmm.. so my guess is: if you're in a plateau for at least 8 weeks then come to MFP, admit you have no bloody idea what's going on and complain. Things will magically fix themselves within a day12
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This is how myths about breaking plateaus get started, coincidences being interpreted as a causal effect5
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So my weight seems to be trending around 64.2km for two days with minimal fluctuation. Hmm.. so my guess is: if you're in a plateau for at least 8 weeks then come to MFP, admit you have no bloody idea what's going on and complain. Things will magically fix themselves within a day
Congratulations, you've become an instance of another MFP archetype: The person who discovers that many instances of sudden unexplainable anomalies can be resolved via . . . patience. 😉😆6 -
This is how myths about breaking plateaus get started, coincidences being interpreted as a causal effect
Yeah, I think sometimes the "plateau breaking" strategies are just a good distraction, until the thing happens that was going to happen anyway. Then the whoosh gets attributed to the "plateau breaker" because human brains love to interpret correlation as causation. An exception, sometimes, may be the stress/cortisol/water retention plateau that breaks after someone lets loose and eats near/above maintenance.
But some of the things like switching exercise routine (because "it stopped burning calories now that you're used to it" or "body confusion"), or drinking lots more water when already adequately hydrated, eating some magical foods or combinations (unless much less sodium/carbs)? I'm skeptical, generally.2 -
So my weight seems to be trending around 64.2km for two days with minimal fluctuation. Hmm.. so my guess is: if you're in a plateau for at least 8 weeks then come to MFP, admit you have no bloody idea what's going on and complain. Things will magically fix themselves within a day
Congratulations, you've become an instance of another MFP archetype: The person who discovers that many instances of sudden unexplainable anomalies can be resolved via . . . patience. 😉😆
Yep. Well, I thought waiting for 8 weeks for something to happen was enough. I just had to complain and collect a few hugs6
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