Coronavirus prep
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I will definitely KEEP wearing my mask for the foreseeable future6
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I am really lucky I think. I have always had the option to WFH if I wanted to, although things seemed to go smoother when I was there. With the stay at home orders, etc., we got better at it and I mostly WFH now. I'm in a very small office (3 people) and all of us are vaccinated.
Same here, I’m in an all-white-collar-industry and flexibility in terms of time and location has always been important to us. Even pre-covid, our rules were that customer work must be done when customer requests it and internal meetings must be scheduled during regular office hours so nobody feels pressured to work nights or weekends, but otherwise we don’t care when people do their work as long as it gets done. We live way up north (and I do mean way up), so especially in the winter people frequently take skiing/walking breaks during the 3 sunny/daylight hours of the day and work later into the dark night.
Recruitment candidates ask me about our post-covid WFH policies pretty much weekly these days, and my regular answer is that unless a customer requests on-site presence or there’s a pre-agreed team meeting at the office, we’re fine with working from anywhere that has electricity and internet access as long as people stay within the European Economic Area for legal reasons. Right now I’m fairly certain (but not 100%) that all of our employees are inside Finnish borders, but I have absolutely no idea where in the country they are since people are on summer cabins, sailing boats, visiting families in other cities etc. Our CEO did all last week from his boat and nobody knew about it until he showed up to a video call, and that’s the example he sets.
Most colleagues I’ve been talking to are planning on 1-2 days of office work per week and staying home for the rest. We were forced to find a new office space last October and signed a 2-year lease knowing we will outgrow the space if everyone wants to work at the office at the same time. The first year is almost up and some people haven’t even checked out their office keys yet because they haven’t wanted to come in even once (and the office has been open this entire time). That’s fine with us, and it doesn’t look like we’re going to need a bigger office anytime soon.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »We went back to 50% in office (20 hrs per week) back in January. We go back 100% July 1 which is the start of our new fiscal year. We have an exception form for people with kids that will be in effect until school goes back in August as summer programs for kids were very limited this year. Going forward we will have more flexibility to work from home when kids are sick and stuff like that, but otherwise WFH ends July 1.
I've heard a few times (not sure how accurate it is) that people are saying they will quit rather than go back to the office full time.
I can kind of see it tbh. At my work we are not paperless so it was a LOT of hassle to work fully from home - especially during the stay-at-home orders because there were people who wanted to work in the office, but only alone. So we had to work around that. Personally I went into the office every Sunday for 5 months to get some office time, and had to do pick up and drop off of files during non working hours (like at 7 AM or 9 PM).
It would be pretty *kitten* for my company to tell employees who were bending over backwards to keep the business going that we were expected to be flexible for them, but they won't be flexible for us going forward. Doesn't sound like my firm will be doing that, but some might.
I tentatively plan on working Monday and Friday from home, and in the office Tues through Thursday.
I'd already been working remotely 100% for 9 years before the pandemic, and have no desire to ever be onsite full time again. I'm hoping employers are now much more open to it than previously.
My employer wasn't open to it initially, but I had worked there in person for three years before I moved and he trusted me. We had another employee who worked there in person until his visa expired and he had to leave, and he became remote as well. We also had a variety of overseas freelancers who were able to access some of our resources, so our sys admin was experienced with setting people up for remote access, and we were in better shape than many companies to make the switch to all remote for the people in IT and Marketing.3 -
Morgan Stanley CEO to NYC workers: Be back in the office by September or else (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/investing/morgan-stanley-ceo-return-to-office/index.html)
"If you can go to a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office. And we want you in the office," Gorman said.
It seems that not everybody is giving the workers a choice unless there are special circumstances for doing that. I am not going to comment on this subject because I am retired so my thoughts really don't count in the matter. I am just posting this information based on the comments written by many members.
Changing the subject: My husband and I had to run some errands today, the first day after California re-open and I noticed a discrepancy between what is allowed and what people are really doing.
Doctor's office: everybody (staff and patients) wearing masks. No exception, as listed in the health orders.
Restaurant: nobody (staff or patrons) wearing masks, but indoor tables were not too busy and people were choosing tables that were further apart. It was too hot to even think about eating outside.
Sketchers Store: All employees were masked, and the same with some patrons, while others were very happy to show their mask-less faces.
Home Depot: all the employees were wearing mask, but some patrons were not, while most of them were masked. What a mix!
I don't know if the people wearing masks were being careful or were not vaccinated, but everybody was very civilized. No funny looks or comments.
I did wear my mask in the stores, but my husband was not. He was happy to be able to wear his hearing aid without the risk of losing it again. It seems that glasses, hearing aids, and the strap of the mask don’t work very well together.
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As an American Canadian living in Spain, I observed that a lot of people were against the mask mandate back home than here. I mean it’s just a mask.14
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Went to dealership today for tire repair, chatting with service rep. They're allowed to go without masks at work once fully vaxed, which for him will be this Friday. He was railing about public behavior, which he perceived included many people lying about vax status in order to go unmasked, when what (in his opinion) they should do is to get vaxed, because it's so obvious that that's making case counts drop, and they'd drop further/faster if the rebels would just get on with it.
I'm just reporting his reaction here . . . but I do agree with it, personally. I was wearing a mask, talking with him, though my fully vaxed date (2 weeks past 2nd dose Pfizer) was back in early April. It's not much to protect myself, as I'm not too worried (breakthrough infection would be unpleasant, because with early COPD, even some colds turn into weeks of coughing). I want to help keep it socially comfortable, norms-wise, for people in public to be masked, past the case counts we're at now. There are lots of people, still, unable to be vaccinated, probably not fully protected despite vaccination, etc.13 -
I did wear my mask in the stores, but my husband was not. He was happy to be able to wear his hearing aid without the risk of losing it again. It seems that glasses, hearing aids, and the strap of the mask don’t work very well together.
Sending sympathy to your husband. I’m pregnant and have alopecia, so the combination of wig, sunglasses*, headphones and the mask is a lot of behind-the-ear-action, especially as masks make nausea worse. Whenever I’ve been feeling like it’s too much, I’ve only worn the mask to more crowded situations and taking it off for the rest, like yesterday I wore it on the subway station and while entering&exiting, but removed it while sitting in my seat on the train.
*sunglasses are more necessary than one might think, I never realized how much eyelashes protect from sunlight until I lost them.
Yesterday I got quite worried about the European soccer championship games and covid. Not just the tourism and travel related to it, but people gathering to watch the games. I had a company dinner so I went downtown, and there were huge crowds with not a lot of masks. This is the first time Finland has ever played in the tournament (or any major soccer tournament) and sports fans are going insane. At least the crowds I saw were on outdoor terraces, but I’d bet money any indoor bar with a TV or screen was also fully packed.16 -
Home workout is one of the best solution in this pandemic ofc. Just keep the body moving and sweating hihi4
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »We went back to 50% in office (20 hrs per week) back in January. We go back 100% July 1 which is the start of our new fiscal year. We have an exception form for people with kids that will be in effect until school goes back in August as summer programs for kids were very limited this year. Going forward we will have more flexibility to work from home when kids are sick and stuff like that, but otherwise WFH ends July 1.
I've heard a few times (not sure how accurate it is) that people are saying they will quit rather than go back to the office full time.
I can kind of see it tbh. At my work we are not paperless so it was a LOT of hassle to work fully from home - especially during the stay-at-home orders because there were people who wanted to work in the office, but only alone. So we had to work around that. Personally I went into the office every Sunday for 5 months to get some office time, and had to do pick up and drop off of files during non working hours (like at 7 AM or 9 PM).
It would be pretty *kitten* for my company to tell employees who were bending over backwards to keep the business going that we were expected to be flexible for them, but they won't be flexible for us going forward. Doesn't sound like my firm will be doing that, but some might.
I tentatively plan on working Monday and Friday from home, and in the office Tues through Thursday.
I've seen several articles stating the bloded that x% won't go back to the office. I'm sure that number will change when the employer says that's fine, I'm taking that as your resignation.
Of course employers (in most U.S. states) are free to do that, but given widespread labor shortages, the employees are likely to have an easier time finding a new position that suits them than the employer will in finding someone to fill the vacancies if they aren't willing to offer new hires flexibility or higher wages or better benefits.
Thing is many of the critical labor shortages are in occupations where WFH isn't an option.
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Morgan Stanley CEO to NYC workers: Be back in the office by September or else (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/investing/morgan-stanley-ceo-return-to-office/index.html)
"If you can go to a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office. And we want you in the office," Gorman said.
It seems that not everybody is giving the workers a choice unless there are special circumstances for doing that. I am not going to comment on this subject because I am retired so my thoughts really don't count in the matter. I am just posting this information based on the comments written by many members.
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This has merit:
"If you want to get paid New York rates, you work in New York," Gorman said. "None of this 'I'm in Colorado...and getting paid like I'm sitting in New York City.' Sorry. That doesn't work."
After I moved back to Massachusetts, I could have made more money if I was willing to commute into Boston, but I wasn't, and I was fine with working remotely and getting paid South Florida rates.
When I commuted in FL, between getting ready for work and time spent in the car, I lost three hours per day, not to mention the expense of driving and maintaining a suitable wardrobe.
When working remotely, I stay in my pjs til lunch and then change into my exercise clothes.
I place a lot of value in that improvement in my quality of life.18 -
Breaking news: AZ vaccine in Australia will only be for over 60's
Pfizer for all under 60's
Changed from 50 as of today.
I presume those under 60 who have already had one dose of AZ still get their 2nd dose though
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Re the European Football as mentioned above, supporters who travel have been required to show clear covid test results before travel/attending. Travel is frowned on from the UK, the traffic light system has only one or two countries designated as green on it which means one does not have to isolate afterwards.
I can't say I like the idea of people mixing in such large number, nor can I comment on the amount of interactions between the persons not having seen the footage. I have to accept that these supporters are screened and will probably be tested later to see what the transfer rate is/was. There have been other large gatherings which have been monitored in this way to enable a greater understanding of this "covid thing" so an idea can be gained for opening up. Needless to say, one chooses to attend, one is free to do as one wishes within the guidance.3 -
Morgan Stanley CEO to NYC workers: Be back in the office by September or else (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/investing/morgan-stanley-ceo-return-to-office/index.html)
"If you can go to a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office. And we want you in the office," Gorman said.
It seems that not everybody is giving the workers a choice unless there are special circumstances for doing that. I am not going to comment on this subject because I am retired so my thoughts really don't count in the matter. I am just posting this information based on the comments written by many members.
Changing the subject: My husband and I had to run some errands today, the first day after California re-open and I noticed a discrepancy between what is allowed and what people are really doing.
Doctor's office: everybody (staff and patients) wearing masks. No exception, as listed in the health orders.
Restaurant: nobody (staff or patrons) wearing masks, but indoor tables were not too busy and people were choosing tables that were further apart. It was too hot to even think about eating outside.
Sketchers Store: All employees were masked, and the same with some patrons, while others were very happy to show their mask-less faces.
Home Depot: all the employees were wearing mask, but some patrons were not, while most of them were masked. What a mix!
I don't know if the people wearing masks were being careful or were not vaccinated, but everybody was very civilized. No funny looks or comments.
I did wear my mask in the stores, but my husband was not. He was happy to be able to wear his hearing aid without the risk of losing it again. It seems that glasses, hearing aids, and the strap of the mask don’t work very well together.
When I was sewing masks, one style was different from anything sold. One friend saw them and asked for some specifically because of the issue with his earring aids and them getting pulled out.
@kshama2001 DD and SIL used to live in NYC and SIL worked for a very large company. Two years ago, they moved to the Boston area and SIL transferred to the Boston office. Same company, same job, same responsibilities but pay was cut. For that well known company, Boston pay is lower than NYC due to the expense of living in NYC. Though from pre-COVID that parallels the current position of the Morgan Stanley CEO.3 -
Re the European Football as mentioned above, supporters who travel have been required to show clear covid test results before travel/attending. Travel is frowned on from the UK, the traffic light system has only one or two countries designated as green on it which means one does not have to isolate afterwards.
I can't say I like the idea of people mixing in such large number, nor can I comment on the amount of interactions between the persons not having seen the footage. I have to accept that these supporters are screened and will probably be tested later to see what the transfer rate is/was. There have been other large gatherings which have been monitored in this way to enable a greater understanding of this "covid thing" so an idea can be gained for opening up. Needless to say, one chooses to attend, one is free to do as one wishes within the guidance.
I think traveling to see the games live is one thing and probably well coordinated for the most part. It's the sports bars and people gathering at homes, restaurants, bars and in the streets that I'm more concerned about in terms of spreading covid.
Finland won their first game (not deserved after the situation with Christian Eriksen, in my opinion), this is what happened: https://www.iltalehti.fi/jalkapallon-em-2021/a/dcf66f3a-1d36-49e1-9bdc-b3d40cf8ac54 the article is in Finnish, but there is video and pictures to show the non-distanced non-masked crowds spontaneously gathering. That's way more worrisome to me than a couple hundred tested, masked and tracked people traveling to see a game.6 -
Morgan Stanley CEO to NYC workers: Be back in the office by September or else (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/investing/morgan-stanley-ceo-return-to-office/index.html)
"If you can go to a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office. And we want you in the office," Gorman said.
It seems that not everybody is giving the workers a choice unless there are special circumstances for doing that. I am not going to comment on this subject because I am retired so my thoughts really don't count in the matter. I am just posting this information based on the comments written by many members.
Changing the subject: My husband and I had to run some errands today, the first day after California re-open and I noticed a discrepancy between what is allowed and what people are really doing.
Doctor's office: everybody (staff and patients) wearing masks. No exception, as listed in the health orders.
Restaurant: nobody (staff or patrons) wearing masks, but indoor tables were not too busy and people were choosing tables that were further apart. It was too hot to even think about eating outside.
Sketchers Store: All employees were masked, and the same with some patrons, while others were very happy to show their mask-less faces.
Home Depot: all the employees were wearing mask, but some patrons were not, while most of them were masked. What a mix!
I don't know if the people wearing masks were being careful or were not vaccinated, but everybody was very civilized. No funny looks or comments.
I did wear my mask in the stores, but my husband was not. He was happy to be able to wear his hearing aid without the risk of losing it again. It seems that glasses, hearing aids, and the strap of the mask don’t work very well together.
When I was sewing masks, one style was different from anything sold. One friend saw them and asked for some specifically because of the issue with his earring aids and them getting pulled out.
@kshama2001 DD and SIL used to live in NYC and SIL worked for a very large company. Two years ago, they moved to the Boston area and SIL transferred to the Boston office. Same company, same job, same responsibilities but pay was cut. For that well known company, Boston pay is lower than NYC due to the expense of living in NYC. Though from pre-COVID that parallels the current position of the Morgan Stanley CEO.
Yes, I did not mean to compare Boston salaries directly to NYC, but Boston to South Florida, and then agreeing that getting a NYC salary means suffering the inconveniences and expenses of living in or commuting to NYC
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paperpudding wrote: »Breaking news: AZ vaccine in Australia will only be for over 60's
Pfizer for all under 60's
Changed from 50 as of today.
I presume those under 60 who have already had one dose of AZ still get their 2nd dose though
We (Canada) are giving those who received AZ the option of taking Pfizer or Moderna for their second dose. Everyone I know who got first dose AZ chose to get an mRNA second shot. I guess vaccine science in general supports mixing doses, and the preliminary data on this specific combination is good.
(But we aren't using AZ for first doses for anyone anymore - there was a small cohort of about I believe a million people who received it.)
Also now that we are getting a boatload of Moderna vaccine I suspect that they will start mixing that with those who got Pfizer for the first dose. Because our strategy was to give everyone we could a first dose, we now are getting a bunch of Moderna in time for second shots - but hardly anyone got it for their first.5 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here.
The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.8 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.10 -
Morgan Stanley CEO to NYC workers: Be back in the office by September or else (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/investing/morgan-stanley-ceo-return-to-office/index.html)
"If you can go to a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office. And we want you in the office," Gorman said.
It seems that not everybody is giving the workers a choice unless there are special circumstances for doing that. I am not going to comment on this subject because I am retired so my thoughts really don't count in the matter. I am just posting this information based on the comments written by many members.
Changing the subject: My husband and I had to run some errands today, the first day after California re-open and I noticed a discrepancy between what is allowed and what people are really doing.
Doctor's office: everybody (staff and patients) wearing masks. No exception, as listed in the health orders.
Restaurant: nobody (staff or patrons) wearing masks, but indoor tables were not too busy and people were choosing tables that were further apart. It was too hot to even think about eating outside.
Sketchers Store: All employees were masked, and the same with some patrons, while others were very happy to show their mask-less faces.
Home Depot: all the employees were wearing mask, but some patrons were not, while most of them were masked. What a mix!
I don't know if the people wearing masks were being careful or were not vaccinated, but everybody was very civilized. No funny looks or comments.
I did wear my mask in the stores, but my husband was not. He was happy to be able to wear his hearing aid without the risk of losing it again. It seems that glasses, hearing aids, and the strap of the mask don’t work very well together.
When I was sewing masks, one style was different from anything sold. One friend saw them and asked for some specifically because of the issue with his earring aids and them getting pulled out.
@kshama2001 DD and SIL used to live in NYC and SIL worked for a very large company. Two years ago, they moved to the Boston area and SIL transferred to the Boston office. Same company, same job, same responsibilities but pay was cut. For that well known company, Boston pay is lower than NYC due to the expense of living in NYC. Though from pre-COVID that parallels the current position of the Morgan Stanley CEO.
Yeah, that's normal. For example, large law firms normally pay the same starting salary as their perceived competitors within the city, not over the various cities the firms are operating in, even though they usually have a bunch of different offices.3 -
There are also regional pay differentials in federal service. There's a basic pay rate per position, and it is increased depending on where your job is located. It can actually be a huge difference in pay from place to place. And that's part of the compensation for working in particular areas. If it's more expensive to live there or commute there, then you are compensated for that.2
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