Coronavirus prep
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Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.22 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.
Oh wow, I hope she turns the corner soon and the rest of your family stays well!!
Another reason they should never have eased up on the masking mandates so soon. Most of us are feeling pretty safe to be living life normally again but then reality rears its head.12 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.
Oh wow, I hope she turns the corner soon and the rest of your family stays well!!
Another reason they should never have eased up on the masking mandates so soon. Most of us are feeling pretty safe to be living life normally again but then reality rears its head.
With the data available at the time, the vaccine was conferring much less ability for the vaccinated to spread COVID-19 (sterilizing immunity). The guidance was based on the best data available at the time, but I still think it was not communicated well or well thought out as expecting folks to respect the honor system was naive at best.
However, additional data on the Delta variant from a recent outbreak indicates the viral loads, and thus transmissibility, were similar among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. This is what drove the CDC to revise it's mask guidance.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html
Early release study: http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7031e2
I was looking forward to travel internationally and returning to more normal, but this is a disappointing step back. Spain and Portugal were just recently revised to "Do Not Travel" advisory.12 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »
https://data.edmonton.ca/Community-Services/COVID-19-in-Alberta-R-values/4vfx-e2qj
Alberta provincewide July 19 to July 25 1.48 confidence interval: 1.38-1.59
Alberta provincewide July 5 to July 11 0.84 confidence interval: 0.74-0.94
Alberta provincewide June 21 to June 27 0.75 confidence interval: 0.69-0.82
So R values doubling in a month... must be VERY good... so good in fact that it is "time for Stage 3 open for the summer"!
And what does that mean? Why that "all other public health measures have been lifted. This includes all restrictions on social gatherings – there are no longer capacity limits on either indoor or outdoor gatherings!" Woohoo!
Let's "bring COVID-19 measures in line with those used for (other) respiratory viruses! Starting August 16 The 10-day isolation period following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory
https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-public-health-actions.aspx
Hey: and about the pesky R value? I have a solution! Indirectly recommended by all those who recognize that you can't have increasing R values if you don't test anyone! Simplez -- right? So we can DO this, now worries! "Testing will no longer be recommended for those with mild symptoms for whom a result will not change their treatment." Well, let's not be unreasonable here, some, testing will be available __with symptoms__,**when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions**10 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »
https://data.edmonton.ca/Community-Services/COVID-19-in-Alberta-R-values/4vfx-e2qj
Alberta provincewide July 19 to July 25 1.48 confidence interval: 1.38-1.59
Alberta provincewide July 5 to July 11 0.84 confidence interval: 0.74-0.94
Alberta provincewide June 21 to June 27 0.75 confidence interval: 0.69-0.82
So R values doubling in a month... must be VERY good... so good in fact that it is "time for Stage 3 open for the summer"!
And what does that mean? Why that "all other public health measures have been lifted. This includes all restrictions on social gatherings – there are no longer capacity limits on either indoor or outdoor gatherings!" Woohoo!
Let's "bring COVID-19 measures in line with those used for (other) respiratory viruses! Starting August 16 The 10-day isolation period following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory
https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-public-health-actions.aspx
Hey: and about the pesky R value? I have a solution! Indirectly recommended by all those who recognize that you can't have increasing R values if you don't test anyone! Simplez -- right? So we can DO this, now worries! "Testing will no longer be recommended for those with mild symptoms for whom a result will not change their treatment." Well, let's not be unreasonable here, some, testing will be available __with symptoms__,**when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions**
And let's not forget, this is right on the heels of Kenney wanting to give Alberta nurses a pay cut.3 -
Dealing with Long Covid for 7 months now building Covid-19 resistance the naturally sucks in my view. Having now have both Moderna shots (May/June 2021) I am concerned about my ability to be a super spreader of the Delta varient.10
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Question for the community: Anyone have first hand anecdote of someone having covid in 2020, then a vaccine, then contracting covid again?2
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Question for the community: Anyone have first hand anecdote of someone having covid in 2020, then a vaccine, then contracting covid again?
I don't. My niece and her family caught covid in December 2020. It was mild for all of them but they followed the rules. Quarantine for more than 14 days, followed by two negative PCR tests before they ventured out or went back to work.
They haven't complained about any long term COVID side effects. They all got vaccinated (Moderna and Pfizer) when their ages allowed, even the young teenager. But they never stopped wearing masks indoors, and my niece is wearing her mask at work again considering the increase in infection due to Delta, even if masks are not required at her job. And the teen is planning to wear her mask at school when she goes back to in-person classes next month.
Hope that your daughter is getting better.
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Question for the community: Anyone have first hand anecdote of someone having covid in 2020, then a vaccine, then contracting covid again?
Not yet. My brother-in-law's wife caught covid from someone at work around Thanksgiving last year. He got sick too. They got the J&J shot in late April or May. So far they have not contracted it again to their knowledge. We'll see in a few weeks. Wife is traveling to MI and then OH for work, and Delta is ramping up here but not exploded. Yet. So we'll see.
I also hope your daughter is feeling better.
My other inlaws are in quarantine though due to exposure from someone who later tested positive. We are in northeastern TN. The other brother-in-law and wife have never masked and refuse the vaccine and so...I wasn't shocked when they got the call. Our county is still only 29% vaccinated. Masking has been barely existent here the entire time. Since the CDC made their masking proclamation, masking is virtually extinct. Though my immediate family has still been masking since we have an ineligible child. The careless couple were in contact with hubby's parents though. One of whom refuses to get the 2nd shot. All are rife with comorbidities. I hope they are all ok. I also hope they'll learn something from the scare, but they haven't learned anything from previous close calls with the original virus, so I won't hold my breath.11 -
Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.17
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I'm from Massachusetts and lived in Florida for seven years. Glad to be back in MA. Our "nanny state" has long done things like mandated yearly car inspections, recycling, added a surcharge on bottles so they get returned, and is known as "Taxachusetts." However, despite our shaky rollout, we are # 2, after Vermont, for vaccination rate.
In my county, 63% of Total Population and 74% of Population ≥ 18 Years of Age has had at least one shot.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view
Nevertheless, I've yet to eat in a restaurant or attend any indoor event. I've been fully vaccinated since April and am unmasked in grocery stores, but only go at off peak times.
I don't do touristy things in Plymouth, let alone P-Town, where there was a recent outbreak despite high vaccinated rate of both the residents and the people who got sick.9 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.4 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
Several states are reporting full ICUs and are canceling elective and non essential procedures. Deaths are a lagging statistic, it often takes several weeks for a serious case to become fatal. That 1 death is a reflection of community spread in May and June. Not saying it WILL be worse, just that cases exploding now won't be reflected in deaths until September.13 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
Vaccine efficacy is not less than 50%. The vaccines are intended to prevent severe illness and death, and they are still doing that dramatically well. The hope was that they would also prevent infection, and they also seem to do that very well in most variants, maybe not so well with Delta. But even in that MA spreader, I believe there was only a few hospitalizations and one death.
Having said this, I don't blame you in the least for requesting WFH right now. There's been a lot of whispering at my office here in VA that considering positivity rates and a few high risk/ older employees (plus a couple of unvaxxed employees) maybe we should get anyone who can do it back out of the office. Why risk even one bad case when we already proved we can WFH? My goal is still to avoid infection until more is known about what infection actually does to the body, and if vaxxed cases typically limit whatever that damage is, but I realize that might be a pipe dream at this point. I'm still gonna try though12 -
I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.6 -
Let's go get sick, woohoo! **Kittens** sitting in a 10 person shuttle with three people sniffling and the driver apologizing for asking people to wear a mask because it is still mandated; but won't be soon.
As I said: as long as I've done my bit by getting vaccinated I have a right to share my cooties with you. Oh, wait, it wasn't me who was arguing that. I was arguing for taking measures to avoid sharing in spite of being vaccinated. Funny that!8 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
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Finally started seeing my two young grandkids this June/ hadnt since march 2020. Here we go again!! This delta is getting worse from what I hear.
Plus I hear Louisiana is high infection and their other grandparents who babysit weekly are there right now visiting. We are all in Ohio. I pray they dont bring the delta home with them for their sake and granddaughters and their mom and dad, and me and my husbands. And anyone else they come in contact with for that matter.
I will be wearing my mask at my home from now on if we get company and again still try to limit people coming inside. I never did stop wearing it otherwise and havent set foot in any stores since march 2020.
Happy b day to my brother in heaven, he died from covid complication January this year.
May we all keep safe and wash your hands wear your mask and limit big crowds.25 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I’ve not seen any statistics showing which shot people with breakthrough cases got. It seems like that would be an interesting statistic.
If anyone has seen the breakdown, please post.
I don't know if somebody (CDC??) is keeping track of which vaccine has the most break-thru cases, or if testing centers ask for the name of the vaccine that a person received. It would be interesting to know.
I was reading online (Mr. Google to the rescue) that breakthrough cases may be under counted and underestimated since not all vaccinated people feeling sick or "thinking" that they got covid seek testing. Some just quarantine themselves for few days. In addition, some vaccinated people that might have been infected with the new variant could be totally un-symptomatic, but still able to spread the virus. That is why masks are still needed.
A podcast called Up First (NPR) discussed this last week. Sorry, don’t remember the day. LMK if you’re interested and I’ll figure out which episode. It said the CDC was expecting breakthrough infections and did not expect them to be significant, so the CDC never tracked breakthrough infections by variant type or by vaccine type or anything at all. In retrospect it seems It would have been useful information.8 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Delta is exploding here in my county. I feel a little angry that I have to "ask" but I just sent a note in to my manager requesting to work remote until the "uncontrolled community spread" is over here. It's probably worse now than at any time during the 15 months I was remote. And with the efficacy of the vaccine being possibly less than 50% I hope they approve this request.
I doubt it's worse now. I live in a place where we've had a pretty bad experience, and the highest deaths were 238 (for my city) in Dec, with the second worse 191 on May 13, 2020. Current deaths are at 1. I think the media isn't accurately reporting what is really going on.
See what happens in a couple weeks when the seeds planted by Lalapolooza in Chicago germinate.6
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