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SunnyDays930 wrote: »Negative Covid test today. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
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3rd zoom meeting lined up for tonight. This time I will be on a meeting with my potential sponsor. She seems really nice. I'm willing to give it a go 🤷🏼♀️ maybe I will say hello on this meeting, I probably will say hello to my potential sponsor since we have been messaging for a couple of days. I better brush my hair lol
I will probably check in here often and update about how I'm getting on as I explore the world of AA. at the very least it let's me digest it better by sharing here, at best it might give someone the needed motivation to check it out for themselves, or a similar programme. There are many recovery programmes out there. I just happen to be checking out AA....
If anyone else has experience of other programmes please feel free to share about them here. 😊4 -
3rd zoom meeting lined up for tonight. This time I will be on a meeting with my potential sponsor. She seems really nice. I'm willing to give it a go 🤷🏼♀️ maybe I will say hello on this meeting, I probably will say hello to my potential sponsor since we have been messaging for a couple of days. I better brush my hair lol
I will probably check in here often and update about how I'm getting on as I explore the world of AA. at the very least it let's me digest it better by sharing here, at best it might give someone the needed motivation to check it out for themselves, or a similar programme. There are many recovery programmes out there. I just happen to be checking out AA....
If anyone else has experience of other programmes please feel free to share about them here. 😊
After reading "Quit Like A Woman," I generally recommend Tempest for women because I like Holly's approach. I've never done the program myself, but read up on it quite a bit, and really like her foundational structure.
https://jointempest.com/4 -
3rd zoom meeting lined up for tonight. This time I will be on a meeting with my potential sponsor. She seems really nice. I'm willing to give it a go 🤷🏼♀️ maybe I will say hello on this meeting, I probably will say hello to my potential sponsor since we have been messaging for a couple of days. I better brush my hair lol
I will probably check in here often and update about how I'm getting on as I explore the world of AA. at the very least it let's me digest it better by sharing here, at best it might give someone the needed motivation to check it out for themselves, or a similar programme. There are many recovery programmes out there. I just happen to be checking out AA....
If anyone else has experience of other programmes please feel free to share about them here. 😊
After reading "Quit Like A Woman," I generally recommend Tempest for women because I like Holly's approach. I've never done the program myself, but read up on it quite a bit, and really like her foundational structure.
https://jointempest.com/
I really enjoyed that book by Holly. I like her approach as well. I always keep meaning to look more into Tempest and what it's got to offer.2 -
Well I spoke at that zoom meeting (just a quick hello really) but I guess that was a big step for me. All I can say is that everyone I have seen on zoom and heard talk, are super nice folk. Very welcoming. Very willing and keen to help. I did feel slightly overwhelmed when I was offered to have my phone number passed onto a lady so that I could be supported to attend a face to face meeting, in my neighbourhood. But, when I said I prefer just to zoom for a while, they were absolutely fine with that. So that's great. At least when I feel like attending a face to face meeting, I know I am not alone. Makes it less scary I suppose.
I have now joined various chat groups on WhatsApp and through that, I will receive all the links for attending the zoom meetings. So far, so good.
I read the (from the Big Book on my AA app) Preface and Doctors Opinion at the request of my potential sponsor. I found it interesting to read how AA started and how it began. Then there was the doctors opinion, that alcoholism is an allergy of the body. This is the part that I question and I was 100% honest with sponsor, I told her I would prefer to research this myself. Which I will. I do think I have an intolerance to alcohol, cos my face, neck and chest turn bright red when I have wine. So I'm gona be looking into this allergy theory and draw my own conclusions.2 -
@BeIn2day This sounds wonderful! So happy you are trying something different. It sure can't hurt!
I found many many benefits to the AA program and philosophy. There are also many celebrities and musicians who are in AA; I read their quotes on Instagram.
This might also be a nudge to help your brother; he's so young and this might be great inspiration for him seeing you in the program.2 -
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SunnyDays930 wrote: »Negative Covid test today. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
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We are heading to Florida tomorrow; I pray to be sober; I pray not to be constantly thinking about drinking. I just hate the obsession I have to getting that first sip. Last time, I was in Florida, I was 100 percent sober and enjoyed every second.3
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Thank you, I have tried loads of times but always fall back trying to do it by myself.
It might be worth while to investigate all the resources so that you dont have to do it alone.
I like this thread as 1 resource. It's good to chat to like minded people. I have picked up so many tips and good advice and support from my fitness pal sober threads.
I managed my longest sober streak of 134 days (4.5 months) by signing up to a paid programme called Sexy Sobriety by Rebecca Weller. Her programme was fantastic, it took a holistic approach and what I learnt from that programme, there is much more involved in stopping or reducing alcohol, than just the alcohol. I would recommend checking out a programme. There is 30 day alcohol experiment by Annie Grace. There is WFS (women for Sobriety) there is AA.
There is many apps available that count your sober days. AA has an app available as well.
There is many books. Quit LIT was a whole new genre of books for me ! I wonder if you have looked into any of these options before ?
In my experience, there is only so far you can go it alone. Especially if you have a drinking problem or consider yourself to be an alcoholic. I wish you all the luck in finding something that works for you. Maybe you can do it alone but it doesn't hurt to have added support x
I did try WFS a few times; I went to meetings with them. I know it is a fantastic philosophy and program; however, I must have found a meeting that was not ideal. The leader had no literature for me to read or take home. There were a few other issues, but I do love their website.2 -
I read this the other night and it made me not want to go back to day one again. Some of these people have absolute horror stories.
https://www.verywellmind.com/is-this-normal-how-long-will-it-last-801972 -
Sinisterbarbie1 wrote: »Its great that you have this resource for both of you. I think you will get a lot out of it whether you initially say anything or not. First just doingit is good. It reinforces your intentions and gives you new resources and ways of thinking about the situation. Second hearing that you are not alone or different from others and that you can be successful despite how hard it seems. Last and maybe most important it signals a real commitment to people who are also making real commitments and will help you hold to yours using the resources you have agreed to in the group. I am really happy and hopeful for you.
I think you said the magic word " commitment".3 -
SunnyDays930 wrote: »I read this the other night and it made me not want to go back to day one again. Some of these people have absolute horror stories.
https://www.verywellmind.com/is-this-normal-how-long-will-it-last-80197
Very riveting article. I kept reading and reading and saying I don't want this to be me. All for a beverage....it is addicting for some like me. I hate it.3 -
RubyRed427 wrote: »We are heading to Florida tomorrow; I pray to be sober; I pray not to be constantly thinking about drinking. I just hate the obsession I have to getting that first sip. Last time, I was in Florida, I was 100 percent sober and enjoyed every second.
Florida sounds lovely 😍 I hope you have a lovely trip, whatever you do. Sending positive vibes for you to stay sober 💖3 -
Talking to the AA member who I work alongside at work today, asking him to explain the allergy theory.
He makes an interesting point that, like an allergy, when an alcoholic takes a drink it causes a reaction in the body and the alcoholic craves more drink. I can relate to this cos when I drink 1 alcoholic drink, I definitely do want more. Whereas normal drinkers can have 1 glass of wine with dinner and put a plug in the jug. I'm not like that.
Personally I tend to think of an allergy in a different way, but I can actually see what AA is talking about.2 -
Really enjoying the AA zoom meetings. I would definitely recommend them to anyone. It can be done from your own home, you don't have to say a word if you don't want to, you can set your zoom video to private. So you really can be annoymous if you wish.
It's absolutely fantastic listening to people share their experience, hope and strength (that's how they word it in AA) I have found that many stories are of people who were further down the extreme end of alcoholism. Instead of that putting me off, or thinking "oh, I'm not that bad. I can't be like them. I'm not an alcoholic". It's making me think "I know my drinking has been severe by my own standards in the past. Bad enough that I paid for a programme and stopped drinking for 4.5 months. So I will try this programme out, because I don't want to BECOME as extreme as these people have".
There is definitely something about these meetings that is powerful. I would recommend to anyone to tune in and just listen. I think u can just Google AA online meeting and u should be able to find how to join a meeting.
Anyway, just updating you's ! 😊3 -
Well I spoke at that zoom meeting (just a quick hello really) but I guess that was a big step for me. All I can say is that everyone I have seen on zoom and heard talk, are super nice folk. Very welcoming. Very willing and keen to help. I did feel slightly overwhelmed when I was offered to have my phone number passed onto a lady so that I could be supported to attend a face to face meeting, in my neighbourhood. But, when I said I prefer just to zoom for a while, they were absolutely fine with that. So that's great. At least when I feel like attending a face to face meeting, I know I am not alone. Makes it less scary I suppose.
I have now joined various chat groups on WhatsApp and through that, I will receive all the links for attending the zoom meetings. So far, so good.
I read the (from the Big Book on my AA app) Preface and Doctors Opinion at the request of my potential sponsor. I found it interesting to read how AA started and how it began. Then there was the doctors opinion, that alcoholism is an allergy of the body. This is the part that I question and I was 100% honest with sponsor, I told her I would prefer to research this myself. Which I will. I do think I have an intolerance to alcohol, cos my face, neck and chest turn bright red when I have wine. So I'm gona be looking into this allergy theory and draw my own conclusions.
Take or leave what I'm about to say, but the allergy theory is pure garbage nonsense.
Alcohol is unbelievably toxic, so that's why people have a bad reaction to it. Some people have more of a reaction, some people have less, but the people who react more to it are actually *less* likely to become addicted because it's so unpleasant for them. This is why many people of Asian descent don't drink much, because they flush like crazy in response to the toxin.
Also, I have such a huge problem with the AA concept of "normal" drinkers. There are no such thing as "normal drinkers" and "alcoholics."
Alcohol is HIGHLY addictive. There are only people who have had enough exposure to become addicted and people who have not had enough exposure to become addicted.
How much exposure is needed depends on the person and their environmental and genetic factors, but at the end of the day, if someone drinks enough for long enough, they will become addicted.
How addicted they become is also a function of many factors combined with level of exposure. So some of the "normal drinkers" according to AA are people who are "normal" because they can stop. When really, they might already be addicted, just not as severely addicted as others.
They might be able to stop after a few drinks, but may struggle often with not drinking on a given night even though they don't want to, but when 5pm rolls around they can't resist pouring those few glasses almost every night. They might be people who can do Dry January, but the only reason they do it is because they always feel like their drinking is getting a bit out of hand and need to take a break.
Those aren't "normal drinkers," those are addicts trying to hold back the addiction as best they can. They're addicted, they're just not drowning in it, but they are often one major life crisis away from their habit being amped WAY UP.
This is exactly what we see when people lose their jobs, go through divorce, when someone dies, or a pandemic happens. They lose the brakes.
Alcohol is toxic, so in effect everyone is "allergic" to it. Alcohol is highly addictive, so everyone can become addicted to it.
There are no special brains or bodies that aren't affected these ways by alcohol, but there are some that are less vulnerable to it than others.
Perhaps you are more vulnerable to alcohol, perhaps not. But none of those factors matter nearly as much as your *history* with alcohol.
The more you drink the more addicted you become, so that's the biggest thing to account for. How much you drink and how long you've been drinking will be the biggest predictors of how challenging you find it to quit.
Also, what life factors drive you to drink. If the same stressors that caused you to drink excessively are still in your life with no new way to manage them, then you can't just remove your main coping mechanism and expect things to end well.
That's not because of some made up allergy or some excessive vulnerability on your part. That's because the reasons you drank weren't addressed.
Think of it this way, imagine you were magically transported to a life where your spouse didn't drink, where you had more money than you could possibly need, a personal chef to cook all-organic healthy meals, no work stress to worry about, and everyone you loved was living this ideal life with you.
Don't you think it would be a lot easier to quit drinking?
For me, quitting felt impossible for years. Then I quit my ultra-stressful job that was destroying my body and suddenly it was doable. My main driver for drinking was gone, and suddenly the therapy I was doing was enough to cope with my life.
I wasn't addicted because I'm genetically defective, I was addicted because I come from a family of alcohol addicts, and I naturally gravitated towards wine as a coping mechanism for the stresses of life, the way it was modeled for me my entire life.
I drank enough for long enough to become addicted and built a career that had an unmanageable amount of stress, which made it virtually impossible to remove the self-medicating habit I had formed.
I *am* a normal drinker because it's NORMAL to become addicted to alcohol.
If there are people out there who can have regular exposure to alcohol and not become addicted, then they are the ones who aren't normal.
If I started smoking enough, I would become addicted. If I started snorting enough coke, I would become addicted. If I started taking enough oxy, I would become addicted.
This is how addictive substances work.
You have had a lot of exposure to a highly addictive substances. Your brain is now rewired to be addicted to them. This wiring may never go back to how it was pre-addiction.
So yes, AA is right in that people with alcohol addiction are fundamentally different from people who aren't addicted. Our brains are different, but not primarily because we were born this way, but because the neuroactive properties of the drug modified them over time to become this way.
I know, intuitively that I can never "safely" start drinking again. I could likely restart and moderate right now and be just fine. It would take discipline, but I could do it. But I have zero faith that that discipline would survive my mom dying, my husband leaving me, hell even my dog dying.
I don't want my health and sanity to depend on discipline, which is notoriously unreliable for long term results.
And for what? What would I gain from starting to drink again? What would alcohol add to my life???
Nothing of value. Nothing at all. The only thing I would likely gain is weight.
I have a brain that was exposed to enough alcohol to rewire itself to constantly seek it. I can't undo that wiring. That's what alcohol does.
I consider myself VERY lucky to be one of the sensitive people whose body responded very poorly to alcohol. It made me very sick at levels that most people can tolerate. This is the only reason my addiction wasn't worse than it was.
My sensitivity to the toxicity of alcohol actually saved me from developing very severe addiction because my body couldn't take the level of exposure that very severe addiction requires.
So take from AA what works for you, and if perceiving yourself as being "abnormal" and having an "allergy" to a toxin is what helps you stay sober, then just ignore what I'm saying.
But for me, the key to recovery has been to understand that alcohol isn't some great, wonderful thing that "normal" people get to enjoy.
No, it's toxic and highly addictive and it's bad for literally everyone at literally any amount. There are just some people who have managed to limit the badness so far vs people who have had enough exposure that their brains are working too actively against them to manage those limits anymore.
As someone who has studied the function of the brain for decades, the scientific consensus is pretty clear: there is no meaningful difference between alcohol and heroine. In fact, if both were legal, and you could get clean, predictable doses of heroine at grocery stores, heroine would probably cause much less damage to individuals and society.
You're not an addict because there's something wrong with you. You're an addict because you consumed A LOT of a highly addictive, toxic drug over a VERY LONG time.
Whenever I'm out now and see people drinking, I visualize them all as shooting up. That's what I see now when I look at alcohol. I don't see the fun, cool, advertising that has been shoved down our throats our entire lives. I see what it really is.
Rotten juice that poisons people's bodies and makes them sad and sloppy.
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@Xellercin great post, well said. I respect your views and thoughts. AA definitely has its own philosophy and ideas, it's not for everyone!
I'm just focusing on the parts that I think could work for me. I am intrigued. Anything that can keep me sober, I'm willing to give it a chance. Plus it's free !4 -
@Bein2day I am proud of you for trying different things to see what suits you best. Your positive and never give up attitude is admirable.4
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@Xellercin great post, well said. I respect your views and thoughts. AA definitely has its own philosophy and ideas, it's not for everyone!
I'm just focusing on the parts that I think could work for me. I am intrigued. Anything that can keep me sober, I'm willing to give it a chance. Plus it's free !
Absolutely! I think AA is an amazing resource. You don't have to buy into everything for a resource to be incredibly helpful. It's really the community and opportunity for one-on-one support that is most valuable in AA, and they do that [email protected] well.
You go out and find whatever resources can possible help you. We all know you *want* to be sober, it's just a matter of gathering enough supports to pull it off.
I posted what I did not to discourage you from AA, but to make sure that you don't feel like you need to buy in to everything they say in order to benefit from what they have to offer.3
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