Coronavirus prep

Ok - being pedantic then - a virus stops/ reduces your chances of getting disease from the virus.
Not technically of getting the virus.

No I never saw claims originally that the vaccine was perfect.

LemonMarmalade wrote: »

Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.

It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.

So, "Covid" is the disease that happens with SARS-Cov2 infection. The message was bungled. Presidents are not immunologists, virologists or epidemiologists. Most "journalists" are just trying to sell a story. It's good that we are learning what vaccines are but vaccines don't stop a virus from getting in, only from killing most people. The really absurd thing is that even doctors are getting it wrong.
Well, I say "absurd" but ask a doctor about weight loss if you think they have all the answers.
If [everyone] understood the science, and stopped listening to people who don't even understand how it works then they would see how these mRNA vaccines are really highly effective. There are no sterilizing vaccines for any virus. No vaccine stops infection forever, their function is to stop serious illness/hospitalization/death. Yes, they are sterilizing for a month or so - that wasn't a lie, it was ignorance of the actual way vaccines and the immune system work. Most of us had no reason to really understand any of this because most vaccines have been quietly doing their jobs for a long time.

Go listen to This Week In Virology. He wrote the textbook for Virology. (Columbia Professor of Virology, Vincent Racaniello.) There are several hundred episodes just on this virus and related topics.
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

cmriverside wrote: »

LemonMarmalade wrote: »

Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.

It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.

So, "Covid" is the disease that happens with SARS-Cov2 infection. The message was bungled. Presidents are not immunologists, virologists or epidemiologists. Most "journalists" are just trying to sell a story. It's good that we are learning what vaccines are but vaccines don't stop a virus from getting in, only from killing most people. The really absurd thing is that even doctors are getting it wrong.
Well, I say "absurd" but ask a doctor about weight loss if you think they have all the answers.
If [everyone] understood the science, and stopped listening to people who don't even understand how it works then they would see how these mRNA vaccines are really highly effective. There are no sterilizing vaccines for any virus. No vaccine stops infection forever, their function is to stop serious illness/hospitalization/death. Yes, they are sterilizing for a month or so - that wasn't a lie, it was ignorance of the actual way vaccines and the immune system work. Most of us had no reason to really understand any of this because most vaccines have been quietly doing their jobs for a long time.

Go listen to This Week In Virology. He wrote the textbook for Virology. (Columbia Professor of Virology, Vincent Racaniello.) There are several hundred episodes just on this virus and related topics.
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

You are my hero! Well said.

LemonMarmalade wrote: »

Joe Biden said if you get the “vaccine” you won’t get covid. Fauci/Birx said the same.

It HAS been said. Multiple times. Even when it obviously wasn’t true. Lots of people are disgruntled from getting “vaxxed” and still getting covid repeatedly.

Not being in USA, I havent followed everything Biden said. As pointed out above , he is not a health expert though so possibly misunderstood or misspoke in a way that people misunderstood what he said
That isnt a political statement - any leader could mean the message well but that happen

Certainly here in Australia that was not the message.

MsCzar wrote: »

OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.

On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.

Good for you.

I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.

Still not doing it .

Theoldguy1 wrote: »

MsCzar wrote: »

OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.

On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.

Good for you.

I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.

Still not doing it .

There's a terrible track record for the general public paying attention to those kind of alarms, based on what's happened to various public health measures over the last few decades. I can understand why the medical establishment would think it'd be fruitless to blow that horn.

That said, for a person to not know or realize that from pretty early on, I think they'd mostly need to be exercising willful ignorance. It didn't take long, for example, before obesity was obviously and publically flagged as a risk factor for worse infection, along with some of the metabolic conditions that are common in that context.

For sure, for someone to not realize that a sub-par diet, excess body weight, and unfitness are health risks in a more general sense . . . well, with rare exceptions they'd need to be working at avoiding the realization, seems like. I've been one of those people, in some respects. It's pretty easy to ignore a clear message one doesn't want to act on, IME.

We've seen some folks here who got that message about Covid risk and lifestyle, mentioned it when they joined MFP; some have even stuck around and succeeded.

DiscoveringLisa wrote: »

Theoldguy1 wrote: »

MsCzar wrote: »

OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.

On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.

Good for you.

I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.

Still not doing it .

Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...

Most people? Where are your sources? :huh:

DiscoveringLisa wrote: »

Theoldguy1 wrote: »

MsCzar wrote: »

OMG! I finally opened my last case of TP - 2019 vintage. The stock up has nothing to do with Covid, but when the pandemic hit, I was happy to have a prepper's storage closet, full larder and a victory garden going. Looks like I'm finally going to have to buy some Charmin some time in 2023.

On a more serious note, my entire reason for losing weight (6 stone) and exercising daily was because I feared obese out-of-shape me mightn't survive the virus. I finally did get Covid last month and thanks to Pfizer and a much healthier body, it was pretty much a two-day case of the sniffles.

Good for you.

I wish they would have emphasized the roll good health plays (normal weight and exercise) in fights this from day 1.

Still not doing it .

Of course they're not, the pharmaceutical companies are making an absolute fortune from flogging the vaccine to the panic stricken masses. It's been shown that vitamin d is highly protective, particularly against the worst effects of respiratory infections...but are we hearing about that? Or the fact that most people, at least in Europe and America, are deficient in vitamin d and should be supplementing? Nope. Vitamin D3, taken with K2 is highly beneficial to our immunity and general health but it's also very cheap and only benefits us....not them...so...

If "most people" do anything, it's not give a rats patootie about nutrition, and ignore information about it. People who show the slightest interest will've seen this stuff, I suspect.

The value of micronutrients isn't a profound secret, and the supplement purveyors have been happy to trumpet some micronutrient supplements as "supporting the immune system" and tell us that's important in times of pandemic. They can't go further rhetorically, because they'd have to prove the claims.

I've seen the claims you're talking about, mostly from moderately niche-y sources (often with skin in the game), about the value of D and K2 in the current scenario. I was already supplementing D (no-brainer for an aging woman in the geographic North, and BTW, recommended by an actual doctor who's presumably in the sway of the evil pharmaceutical machine). I recently started supplementing K2 with low expectation of return, but as you say, it's pretty cheap. In general, supplementing micros is a lower probability of benefit than eating sensibly, IMO, so I feel a little bit self-duped when I do so on spec, but I still do it sometimes. 🤷‍♀️

"panic stricken masses"? 🤣

Living in the UK I have little if any faith if any in our NHS systems and sympathy for those working in it. I have mostly given up visiting my doctors since I was dismissed for taking an interest in my health and saying I seemed to have a reaction to salicylate and would like to go back to immunology where the Professor had told me face to face He wanted to work with me to investigate the causes of all my issues including chemical sensitivity. The doctor I saw gave me a blank, dismissive, No. (Probably because I was a woman in my mid to late 60's at the time, and not long for this world.) I've seen one doctor since and I'm not convinced vit d is on the list of test he requested for me.

I've been following the Functional perspective, my thyroid and arthritis supplements come from this approach through a BANT Nutritionist, (UK only). I have more time for the Holistic Practitioners. I've seen time and time again about vit's d and k benefits. Even high dose vit C working as an antibiotic. I want good health and if it means I adjust what I eat and take supplements, I'll do it, as long as I know the whys and wherefores which you don't get with a prescription. Just take these, my dear! Thinking Levo which put me more asleep than I already was.

I've never fitted into the provided boxes my nhs practitioners have been given. I obviously did not know the right words/code I required being England born and bred. The first time I was failed by a doctor was when I had a massive boil on my forehead, eyebrow level, between my eyes. My eyes were virtually closed by the swelling and it more than hurt. He, the young doctor told me, I was only worried about my looks! I was 15/ 16 damn it, in agony. In floods of tears as left. I wanted to be able to see my text books and sewing and be pain free. I'd had more consideration for similar swellings on my fingers which were lanced when my mother was with me.

I was so angry and distressed even humiliated when I got home. I took out sewing machine, the arm which moves the thread to the needle struck my boil. Bathed in blood it was more than painful. My head had been no closer than usual when I ripped it open, to this day I still have a not so small indent, I know its there and why. I healed it with Old Wives Tales the holistic way. Salt water poultices which I'd been doing before I saw the doctor but it had not "cooked" in a week, which was why I sought medical advice and for my sins was dammed for my gender and probably his hormones I suspect. I should have complained, or demanded to see someone else.

I doubt I'll willing see another, I doubt I'd be permitted my pile of things because general medicines pills and things do not work for me, or the ones the NHS is happy to provide.

paperpudding wrote: »

cant speak for the NHS - but there in Australia Vitamin D is a regular request in standard base line bloods and any patient could request it if Dr did not add already.

Rest of your post didnt seem connected to Covid or to whether Vitamin D levels have any link to Covid immunity.

I'd bet the US varies in standard-ness, and a surprising (to me) number of people here don't seem to ask for specific blood tests or (among those I've discussed it with) necessarily had it occur to them that they could. My doctor's always added whatever I asked for, though I don't think I've asked for anything radical. (Have asked for D, B12, repeats of liver function . . . . don't remember what-all.)

Where I am, D was an add-on, not basic.