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I'm not directly or indirectly claiming anything - you are doing that on my behalf. You've broken out the maths again but to back up my claims but are now omitting the activity modifier that you use previously to 'debunk' the notion of fasted training and post training fasting having any fat burning benefits at all: It…

Good stuff! Start hitting those PRs and strength standards and enjoy the food! B)

I'm in a similar place. I've been cutting all year and just started a bulk. I really don't want to loose definition and start seeing fat come back. My strategy is to focus more on my inner self, what I'm achieving in life and strive to one of those people that doesn't care so much about external appearance. I'm trying to…

Did I say that? Why do I keep having to respond to your posts with "I didn't say that"? This must be the third time now. Back to the topic in hand - I can accept that my activity modifier calcs could be a bit off and need some adjusting due to my activity. Perhaps although I have a sedentary desk job my activity is more…

That's interesting, I'll look into that more. I can't discount what I'm seeing on the scale and with the tape measure and visibility of veins and abs.

Other part of the problem is that you are completely discounting any additional calorie burn from IF, fasted training and post training fast. The whole point of the method is to combine lifting and fasting to burn fat. I think what you are getting at is that activity and exercise reduce the maintenance number from TDEE so…

You're quoting someone else's speculation that I've got my numbers wrong? Really? I've addressed that quote here: And here:

I missed that bit, can you explain how it turns out my numbers are wrong?

I'm not assuming anything about my numbers - they are as per the kino protocol I'm following (which is very simple). I'm gaining slower because I do fasted training and fast after training including cardio on rest days. 'That's it!'

The point is that they do more to optimize composition - that is literally the only reason for bringing up the pro bodybuilder reference. I'm glad we cleared that up. also 'actually doing things to make it happen - which is pretty complex' is what I was getting at.

If I was to advocate anything to anyone it would be this

Who said anything about advocating people emulate pro bodybuilders? My question - was does simple CICO work for a pro bodybuilder preparing for a competition? I said: I presented 2 ends of a scale to illustrate that the 'CICO - that's it!' approach does not apply to everyone. You could quite as easily accuse me of…

No I didn't say it at all and it is not any kind of 'claim'. End of. I said That I'm burning fat on a bulk with +500/+100 and stated several reasons why including IF, fasted workouts, post workout fasting (about 6 hours), cardio+ abs (also fasted) on rest days (post fast). I also said it might not last as I've only…

That's pretty much exactly what I'm doing with the addition of IF. The gains are pretty slow but I'll take that if I can still see the level of definition from the end of the cut. As an average person looking to lean bulk and lose the last couple of pounds covering the lower abs (not likely during the bulk I know) I'm…

In a sense of CICO that's true. I think fat loss/weight loss has degrees of effectiveness depending on how extreme one takes it. You can do a CICO deficit with no attention to macros and no exercise and lose weight (not necessarily fat) or you could do what professional bodybuilders do preparing for a competition when they…

I agree with all of this. I think the diet industry is so successful for the same reason as the get rich quick industry. People want shortcuts and when you tell them what's involved they tend to glaze over and say 'ummm ok'... I get this all the time at work and it's not necessarily obese/overweight people but more the out…

I've dealt with eating disorders for 22 years (not myself but someone very close to me) and I place the blame squarely on the fashion, advertising and TV/film industries. And refined sugar and fatty foods being addictive and a form of substance abuse. It would be great to see the movement looking for ways to effectively…

I'm certainly not gaining 2 lb of muscle a week - never said (or 'claimed' as you put it) that, the weight gain is actually quite slow. I'm also doing cardio/abs (fasted) on rest days and martial arts (fairly cardio intensive) 1 day a week. Also only recently switched to bulking so may be a bit of adjusting going on. I…

I'm gaining weight and hitting PRs, I know my maintenance numbers and have added bulk macros accordingly. Been doing this 3 years. I'm doing a super clean/lean bulk with 16:8 IF. I reckon the fasted workouts and post workout fasting (with bcaa) is probably burning a bit of fat.

It's a shame the more extreme fringes of these movements tend to make the most noise and get the most attention.

Good on you - glad you found what works and stuck to it. I don't buy the whole 'IF is just calorie restriction arguement'. I stick to my calories and macros and am still burning fat on a surplus of +500/day for training days and +100 for rest days. Lifts going up, inches on the waistline going down. I'm doing 16:8, fasted…

On the way in to work today there were newspaper ads and billboards saying "we need new fashion icons" with a much more average and healthy looking model on it. This is what I think of when I think of body positivity. Regarding privilege - if 'checking your privilege' is just the same as having compassion for those less…

Why do you think that is? I don't think it's the concept of privilege itself - it's aimed more at the people 'calling out' other people's privilege. That's just my observation, I could be wrong.

You're right, it's better to just ignore it than engage with it. When on the receiving end of privilege shaming it's very tempting to push back and 'disagree' - but it's pointless, futile and a waste of time and energy - as I've learnt these last couple of days. I think in the case of the South Park creators this whole…

Polarisation and generalisation are unhelpful, a thread about body positivity on a health and fitness forum is bound to stoke up a lot of drama. The fact that the word 'priviledge' has come up so much is quite telling. I'm sure there are plenty of good folks in the body positivity movement who aren't blaming their…

This makes sense, I'd be interested to see if there are stats that show what % of obese/overweight people are in this income bracket. So let's say that there is a section of the (US) population who genuinely are in bad shape because of poverty - what about the others? I think the judgemental stuff is aimed at those who do…

Thanks! There is a chemical rush but it's just a lot slower than the instant gratification from drugs/alcohol/sugar/internet drama.. Slowing it all down and regulating the dopamine (is it dopamine) flow seems to be the catch all for all of it. What I've noticed is that I get 'triggered' when people use the word privilege…

Same here - just another bad habit that needs kicking into touch. My life just seems to be a succession of things I have to stop doing... At least i can enjoy my privilege (for now!)

100% agree. Also on the polarization thing. I've noticed in myself that I find arguing on the Internet very stimulating and it must be releasing some kind of chemical rush in my brain. I know it's not good for me so I'm going to mindfully and consciously stop doing it. :smiley:

This I can get on board with