CarsonRuns Member

I think those books are assuming the old dude (or dudette) has been running all their life and is just trying to preserve what they have. For me, I still think I can improve, so my training reflects that attitude.

4 days a week for marathon training? No way. I run 6 days a week normally and up to 10 times a week during marathon training. Those easy runs, when actually done EASY help with recovery. I'm 46.

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Assuming it's not too hot, or too hilly and that all the stars align properly...of course.

Thanks Capt. Obvious.

In this base building phase, the only workouts you really need to add are some striders once a week, 8 to 10 of 20 seconds or 100 meters and a weekly run with a tempo section of 20 to 30 minutes at your LT pace. Other than that, just easy running is where you need to be.

Just be cautious in your mileage build up and don't tailor your training paces to your "dream goal", but to where your fitness currently resides. Nothing will have you sidelined faster than doing workouts faster that you are capable of or running more mileage than your body is ready for.

I think that even 3:30 is a lofty goal for a first marathon based on your current race times, your running history and your current training load. I ran my first marathon after I had been running for over 5 years. I ran 3:38 with my mileage peaking in the low 70 mile per week range. A year after that, and over 2600 more…

No runners here! :glasses: :wink: :laugh: :happy:

A plan should be used as a guide, not something to be followed rigidly. The concept that you have to remember is "easy, hard, easy, hard". So, if you are moving things around, try to have an easy run or rest day after a hard workout. Following that pattern will be all that about 95% of marathon runners ever need to do.…

I'm having a hard time answering this question. There is no quintessential guide for beginning runners that I am aware of. Most beginners benefit the most from two axioms: 1) Slow down 2) Don't do too much too soon Once you get past that point, you are into training and there are quite a few good training books out there.…

What are the ones that just stand there patiently waiting for the light to turn?

Then what do you consider 5, 6 and 7 minute pace? Flying? It's all relative to the individual's pace. I may saying I'm jogging during a recovery run. I'd never tell anyone else that they are jogging. It's all running.

Okay, I'll concede this point. If a 2:00 HM is right around your easy run pace, then it probably isn't going to take as long to recover. Let's say, within 30 seconds of the pace that you've been doing your long runs. Yeah, that's not going to beat you up as much as say, running your HM 2:00 or more per mile faster than…

If you can do 7 miles at 10K pace, then it's not really 10K pace, is it?

Usually something like this when not marathon training: M - Rest T - 6 miles W - 10 miles H - 6 miles F - 8 miles S - 10 miles S - 12 to 16 miles Total: 52 to 56 miles Marathon training peak week M - 6 miles T - 10 miles W - 12 miles and 4 miles H - 7 miles F - 10 miles and 5 miles S - 10 miles and 4 miles S - 22 miles…

Running doubles is a good way to supplement your total overall mileage and to help with recovery, but shouldn't be used to get your daily mileage to what your plan says (you do have one, don't you?). Two 5 mile runs don't equal one 10 mile run. There are fitness adaptations that take place as you run longer. Dividing one…

Go to a specialty running store and talk to them about shoes. Let them give you a fitting. They'll put you in the right shoe. Don't go to Richard's Sporting Goods or any other big box stores. They don't know their @ss from a hole in the wall when it comes to running shoes.

I'll take "Dark and Cold" for $500 please, Alex.

Any running is useful. There are many that use the treadmill as a training tool. Personally, I'd rather have a colonoscopy than run on a treadmill.

My point exactly.

I peaked in the 70s for my first and I hit the wall at 20 and ran McMillan +30. Both, highly unlikely. I would do the HM as a training run, doing the last 8 to 10 miles at MP then race the marathon. I think this is a bad idea. If you race the half, you won't be properly recovered for the full. You'll have one week of…

Just going out on a limb here, but have you tried doing a Google search for "scholarly articles about endurance running metabolism"? I just did. It only returned a little over 7 million results. Not trying to be an @ss here, but if it's a research project, you should probably do some research. Just sayin'.

This is right on the money. Couldn't have stated it better myself.

Tip rash.

I followed this on LetsRun.com as it was unfolding. Totally unreal on many levels. The amount of time and effort put into outing this guy is incredible.

Welcome! A 5K most certainly is a distance run! Any race from 800m and up is considered distance running. Don't ever sell yourself short. There are many of us here who have raced the marathon distance and beyond but still feel that the 5K is one of THEE hardest distances to race.

*raises hand* I'm one of them. Yeah, slow down to get faster. You need to build aerobic base by time on your feet, running easy effort miles.

For the poster we are discussing, no. It's not reasonable based on the information that we have. For other runners, it may or may not be reasonable.

For the runner that goes from couch to marathon in 18 to 24 months and tops out a 40 miles per week, I think McMillan plus 20 is a good, conservative number. If they run that pace and have gas in the tank a 20, they can make up 3 to 6 minutes over the last 10K. For the runner that has been at it for a while, I think 15…