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Exactly. There are no studies that show that. Meal timing, sizing, and frequency are irrelevant in the context of proper daily nutrition.

Why is that? *I should disclaim that my statement was not intended for anyone with diabetes or another metabolic disorder.

I can absolutely agree that there is no harm in ingesting protein shakes can be nothing but beneficial. I understand we are on the same page that the timing is largely irrelevant, and total daily macronutrient consumption is what should be focused on.

Yep! Until someone shows me a study (not on rodents) that shows artificial sweeteners and diet soda to be harmful to me, I will continue to enjoy them.

Meal timing, size, and frequency have no benefits in regards to your metabolic rate. You can eat all of your calories in ONE sitting vs. 6 sittings and total daily energy expenditure would be the same. Eating small frequent meals does not "boost" your metabolism.

Protein and fat intake should be viewed as dietary MINIMUMS and not MAXIMUMS.

Could you please post one of the dozens of studies looking directly at the timing of ingesting protein shakes offering benefits vs. daily protein intake?

"when should I drink them, before or after a workout?" That is the OP. I was simply responding to the question. If the question was "is drinking a protein shake helpful in reaching my protein goals"? I would've repsonded, "yes, if you find it hard to reach your goals from whole food sources." Simple enough.

Again, like I said a number of times above, my point is not that the protein shakes are not helpful in reaching a certain DAILY protein goal, I am simply stating that the TIMING is irrelevant. Again: 1. Protein shakes can be helpful in reaching a daily amount of protein. 2. The timing by which you ingest those shakes<…

Here are a couple of studies. Again, I am not saying that protein shakes should be avoided or are not helpful in reaching your daily protein goals, I'm simply stating that the timing of ingestion is irrelevant. Daily nutrition is what is important. Here is a post from Alan Aragon summing up what I'm trying to say.…

And in the meantime, if anyone has studies contradicting what I've said, please post them.

I apologize. Again, I'll post studies when I get to my computer at work. Most bodybuilders still follow dietary myths. Eating chicken and broccoli every three hours because they thing it will keep them "anabolic" and prevent muscle catabolism. Same thing goes for the magic post workout window that you need to drink a…

Since you claim that they do, I believe the burden of proof would be on you? Either way, on my phone. I'll post studies when I get to work.

I engage in high intensity weight training no less than three times per week. Still no benefits to a post workout protein shake other than the fact that it would in turn help you hit your daily protein goals, but drinking one right before bed that night would yield the same results.

I've got to hit the sack...I'm sure I'll awake to no less than 30 articles on why post workout protein shakes are beneficial with none of them mentioning actual scientific studies.

I just clicked the link and stopped reading when the first piece of advice given was to split your meals into 6 even meals. The "anabolic" post workout window that you have to ingest protein within is not based on science and is completely not needed.

Overall daily nutrition is what matters.

They were wrong. Protein timing around a workout does not increase overall protein synthesis.

It doesn't matter when you drink them. Won't make a difference if you drink it when you first wake up or right before you go to sleep. 30, 40, 60, 300 minutes after a workout. If you are short on your protein goals then I would suggest a protein shake, but don't consume it thinking there are any benefits associated with…

Sorry, forgot to post calories. Noon-600 8pm-1500 Right before bed-200 (sometimes just comined with second meal)

I eat one large meal at noon and another around 8pm. I find that I stay very full eating two large meals a day.

Does anyone have real studies on artificial sweeteners? Or maybe just sources of peer reviewed studies of claims made by doctors such as Mercola?

Yet another another thread spreading complete misinformation. Try using the search function. There have been threads that have posted clear, controlled, empirical, peer reviewed, scientific studies that show artificial sweeteners such as aspartame and those found in diet soda to be completely safe. I swear people just…

Beat me to the Lyle links... Read them as they are very imformative and offer some great insight.

I guess my question for Chuck is.... Are you planning on trying to maintain an extreme caloric deficit for an extended period of time, or is this out of general curiosity?

Yes. IMO, stalled weight loss should most definietely be attributed to human miscalculations before blaming hormonal fluctuations.

For example, the quickest any one study shows of metabolic down-regulation was at 60 hours of no food. Even then, there was only around an 8% drop in metabolic rate with NO FOOD. Periods of EXTREME caloric restriction over long periods of time (months-years) have shown around a 15% drop. At a BMR of 1200, in the worst case…

There are hormones that can be slightly downregulated in a severe and sustained calorie deficit, but they are a lot of the time blown out of proportion. Easy fix: Maintain a 10-20% deficit under your maintenance.

Also sustained calorie deficits can cause increased water retention that would show slower progress on the scale. Starvation mode is way blown out of proportion. As you get lighter, your maintenance caloric intake will also drop, meaning you have to consume less if you plan on continuing losing weight. Platueas can be…