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My diet gets me a ratio of around 80%-85% carbs, and a split between of the rest between protein and fat. Sometimes I go a little nuts on nuts, and the protein and fat jobs up, but for a weekly average, I would guess I keep them both under 10% - 12%.

If you will believe a photo on the internet before actual science, you are prone to believe anything.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-ripped-dude-how-much-muscle-can-i-put-on-naturally.html

Amazing how many people resort to ad hominem when faced with actual logic and science they cannot dispute. Now I am being accused of lying or doing drugs. WOW! Thanks to the rest of you who have kept this discussion mature, relevant, and factual.

And you know how much I work out how?

Ok, all of these studies reference athletes. Athletes are going to burn more a lot more calories than a non-athlete. Without knowing the calories that they burned, it is impossible to know the percentage of protein calories. 2g/kg of bodyweight for someone burning 6,000 calories in intense workouts is right around 10%…

Any references to counter the dozens of studies compiled by the WHO to which I linked?

I addressed that in my other post concerning recommended protein intake for bodybuilders. Also, if you would read the information I posted, you will find that the WHO determined 2.5% protein by calories was sufficient for 97.5% of the population. That other 2.5% had absorption issues. At 5% it just up to 99% of the…

Yes, the chart doesn't list the type of chicken or beef and the ratio can vary immensely. Beef can be anywhere from 5% protein and 95% fat to 95% protein and 5% fat. Chicken can vary immensely, but not this much. Chicken tends to have less fat overall. But was it chicken with skin or without skin? A good deal of online…

I would say if you ate an equal proportion of all those foods, you would be easily looking at 9% protein by calories, or 45 grams.

1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight is crazy high. That comes out to like 30% protein by calories for sedentary individuals which is 3 times the WHO recommendation. There is no evidence that this is needed, not even for body builders. The absolute highest I have seen for body builders was .82g/lb, and they were…

They are listing protein of total calories. One cup of spinach is 1 gram of protein which is more than say an apple, or a cup of grapes.

You are claiming 4% protein by calories. I have a very hard time conceiving of any diet of fruits, veggies, and grains that is 4% protein by calories. Could you provide me any example of such a diet? I even tried once, and I couldn't manage to get below 5%, and that was by eating mostly apples and grapes. Throw in any…

If you were only consuming 20 grams of protein, that means you were only consuming about 1,000 calories a day. You were calorie deficient, not protein deficient. Eating more protein will not increase muscle mass. Especially if you are calorie deficient. Stressing your muscles to their peak and eating an excess of calories…

Numerous studies by the WHO have determined that 97.5% of the adult population need only around 2.5% calories by protein. They doubled this to cover 99% of the adult population. They then doubled it again just to be safe. 10% protein by calories. It is almost impossible to get less than 7% or 8% protein by calories eating…

Would you like to provide an intelligent rebuttal?

I put 4 bananas, an avocado, a couple cups of berries, and I have an 850 calorie breakfast I gulp down in 2 minutes. There are plenty of high calorie fruits. I eat a lot of bananas because they are very cheap and packed full of electrolytes.

Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories. A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more…

A lot of ad hominem on this board. Yet I am the only one to back up my statements with science. Good luck to you all. You know everything already, and obviously don't need to listen to someone who has been successful for almost an entire decade.

Vegans are the only diet group in the US with, on average, a normal BMI. Maybe you should listen to people in the only group who, on average, are NOT overweight. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19351712

Scott, I know what you are your friends are going through. I tried every diet back in the day. Always lost weight, then gained it all back plus more. It just constantly stepped my way up to 250 pounds. I was lucky enough to have run into some raw foodies and I couldn't believe how much they ate and yet none where…

It isn't fear mongering, it is recognizing human psychology. I work with a lot of overweight people as a nutritionist and personal trainer. Every single one of them says the same thing. "I eat in moderation, but I can't lose weight". I ask them for a food log, and I find their concept of moderation is very different what I…

Moderation Kills http://www.dresselstyn.com/moderation_kills.htm

Both of those studies are comparing a group of people. BMR varies among people and these studies were VERY poorly designed. The study should have taken untrained individuals, recording BMR, then after training recorded their BMR again. Because of the thermogenic effect of food and the metabolic response to stress from…

When you lose weight, your resting metabolism goes down. When you increase your fitness, your resting metabolism goes down. I'd like to see your reference, because I can see a false conclusion if ignoring the factor that the people who lost weight are continually exercising and staying more fit than the people who were…

I agree, you will feel miserable, but if you do it right, that misery will pass as your body starts to become accustom to foods with lower calorie densities. If you eat the right foods, you can eat all you want and still lose weight, feel great, and still perform anaerobic exercise (you can't in ketosis).

Yes it does. People are just ignoring the term "Regain".

This video of Doug Lisle gives an idea of the psychological and physiological aspects of trying to lose weight. Just because some fad diet "feels" right doesn't mean it is good for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2btaDOBK8

I give up on posting studies. People just have no clue how to read them.

Actually, what I have been saying is that it isn't the calorie counting that is the problem, it is the diet. Eat a diet that doesn't require calorie counting. You can't keep eating crap in moderation, because eventually your moderation changes. It is like telling an alcoholic to drink in moderation.