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Lolz. "He doesn't believe in the 2nd law of thermodynamics." Nope, he just says that physics and physiology are two different sciences. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is never violated when a person goes on a calorie restricted diet, but can't easily access stored fat due to excess insulin--that's why BMR drops! The 2nd law…

Regarding your first point, you ignored the fact that they had greater fat oxidation, not the ridiculous "net fat oxidation." Of course, FFM was greater in RF since it includes extracellular fluids, which we all know drop on a low carb diet. The study was a miniscule 2 weeks, and the DEXA showed no significant difference…

@psulemon @amusedmonkey states: "Obese people are more likely to be insulin resistant due to obesity, not the other way around." Not true, many normal weight or even thin people are insulin resistant or type 2 diabetics. Obesity doesn't cause IR, insulin does. Here's Dr. Fung's lecture if you want to check it out:…

@Stevencloser Sorry, your idea that all effects are inhibited seems pretty obvious to me. This would help explain why diabetics strangely have elevated blood levels of free fatty acids in the presence of elevated glucose. Since another role of insulin is to selectively stimulate lipoprotein lipase (an enzyme which…

Where do you come up with this stuff? In that case insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes would not be a progressive disease. However, it is and does progress to the point of total beta cell destruction and the inability to make any insulin.

You should read up on the. Obesity doesn't cause insulin resistance; insulin does. Researchers can infuse healthy people with physiologic levels of insulin and induce insulin resistance fairly quickly. Many many diabetics are not obese; they can even be thin! He has a great lecture on that on his intensive dietary…

@amusedmonkey I think you might enjoy this article by Dr. Fung entitled, "The Carbohydrate Insulin Hypothesis is Wrong." It made me think of you and how you seemed so stuck on defending carbohydrates. I guess you've been exposed to this theory and found problems with it? Well, I wasn't talking about that theory; hence, my…

I'm not sure how I could eat a balanced and nutritious diet without eating animals. It would definitely be a challenge.

You could try alternate day fasting. Side note: the association of high HDL with heart health is much more powerful than the association of lower LDL levels with heart health. https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-lowers-cholesterol-fasting-16/

In other news, water is also wet.

@Stevencloser yeah, maybe--if you're healthy. Or maybe it's high because your cells are insulin resistant and you haven't actually eaten in hours. Science. Your statement actually tells me a whole lot more about you. And please don't give me so much credit, Steven! These are not my theories. I just read reliable evidence…

@amusedmonkey 1. "The video is clearly saying insulin=weight gain because compartments, which I find absurd." --nope, he says insulin inhibits the breakdown of stored fat. 2. "I don't believe I am a special snowflake" -- You got obese and pre-diabetic on on a whole foods, virtually sugar free diet. Sounds pretty darn…

@amusedmonkey No, I'd just like you to present some evidence that connects these general questions you are posing with your fundamental disagreement with what you label "the insulin theory of obesity"? Otherwise, I don't see any connection. 1. "the vast majority of thin people are not a ketogenic diet and don't practice…

@amusedmonkey Nah, it's actually a lot easier to take no position and have no answers. And, we disagree on whether or not they were in ketosis. Insulin inhibits the breakdown of fat as well as ketone production (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=3287950 ). In case of these contestants, who are already obese and…

@stevencloser Here's a nice physiology e-textbook I found for you from the Department of Biomedical Sciences at Colorado State University. http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.html Insulin and Lipid Metabolism The metabolic pathways for utilization of fats and carbohydrates are…

Yup, and it gets even more tricky for people who have insulin resistance at baseline. When they go on a calorie restricted diet, they have an even greater hurdle to overcome in unlocking that "second compartment." They feel hungrier than that person who can more readily and easily switch to fat metabolism for energy--which…

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This 2006 review you shared doesn't refute the insulin theory at all. It just reviews some of the available data. The conclusion to the first section on Insulin level and insulin sensitivity in adult populations states: The authors failed to find a correlation between fasting insulin and weight gain (similar to the results…

Do you have any access to this evidence? Dr. Fung shares clear scientific evidence that calorie restricted diets lower BMR and that fasting does not. He then explains the science behind it, which you can find in any physiology textbook. Insulin does in fact inhibit lypolysis--known fact.

@amusedmonkey You say, "that's not how any of this works," but you're not really connecting the dots between keto and fasting. Both create almost identical metabolic and hormonal changes through the state of ketosis. That was basically his point. The body's cells need to switch between the "2 compartments," and the…

Nah, anyone who has actually completed a prolonged fast vs a prolonged calorie restricted diet knows there is a huge difference. During a fast, after about a day or two, you don't really feel hungry at all. During calorie restriction, it's basically all you can think about not to eat.

Dr. Fung's explanation of the 2 compartment model is still basic, but far more realistic than the CICO model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk&feature=youtu.be

Nice, more than 97% of the population exceeded the upper intake limit of 10% of energy as recommended by the Health Council of the Netherlands--good for them! 15% was the population mean, and higher intake was associated with lower risk for heart disease. Replacing SFA with PUFA, MUFA, protein, or carbohydrates increased…

No, it's not A-OK, IMO, especially not the CRP; however, exploring the root cause is important--which is what I'm talking about here. A LCHF doc can help tease out what's happening, especially with more advanced tests and diet inventory. In the meantime, tweaking the diet by introducing more whole food carbs might help. I…

Thanks, @alabasterverve Yes, I have read this article once already. This is a reality that LCHF docs encounter, and why they are conducting research on it atm. You may have heard this talk from Dr. Sarah Hallberg: https://youtu.be/w8jUmCe3zDs The phenomenon seems to be common in the most insulin resistant patients--those…

Dudd, they eat too much and move too little. No one forces you to be fat. It's clearly a conscious choice. Ergo, if you are fat, you must be 1. Too lazy to move enough and 2. Too gluttonous to stop eating. Sorry, but no other options there when it comes to bro science... unless you have another explanation??

Fat people eat too much and move too little. They are just lazy gluttons. Got it. Cool story, bro.

Bro science