adrian_indy Member

No, I understand what you are saying, and we are on the same side of the issue, albeit for different reasons. But we were speaking to the moral aspects of it and exactly why it is wrong to be cruel to an animal if you were using christianity as a reason. That was all. It wasn't an attack on the faith as much as a debate on…

It's a good question and further illustrates my point here and in past discussions about morality. I am a meat eater, although I have heard a lot of good points by the vegans/vegetarians here. The difference for me is that while I eat meat, I don't like seeing anything suffer needlessly or cruely.

I don't think anyone here has insinuated that atheists, agnostics, or the religious are either more or less moral than eachother. But as far as morality coming from god or the bible, once again I need to point out that there is nothing in the bible forbidding animal torture, but whether you're a meat eater or veggie, we…

Same thing with guys like P. Manning and many more. But for everyone one of those guys, I would be willing to bet their are masses of athletes with diamond encrusted tooth brushes. My favorite was when Bryant got busted cheating on his wife (and accused of rape) and bought her that million dollar ring to smooth things over.

This is just one of those situations we all hope we never get in to. The ackwardness and terror of getting involved, especially if your suspiciouns turn out to be false would give anyone reason to pause, to feel like maybe they should back off and let someone else handle it. But there is no one else, there is only you. I…

I think what's even more disturbing is the fact that after the athletes make all that money, a large percentage end up broke when they retire. I've always wondered what the inner cities would look like if all professional athletes decided to donate 10% of their wealth to educating impoverished communities and opening…

I wasn't linking the two things philosphically, but the arguments remind me of each other. Once a person has been convinced something is murder, it's easy to see why they feel so strongly about it. That's the only point I was trying to make.

Good point.

So by your definition in # 1, the only thing people who participate in dog fighting are guilty of is destruction of property? Because with that position I can not see how animal cruelty would be a big deal. As far as this whole transendence argument, it sounds great and fantastical and all, but I don't buy into it. To be…

I wonder if everyone would be more satisfied if we took the money we spent on these subsidies and instead paid the farmers to gorw the food so we could give veggies to people on welfare. It would appease the conservatives because you could lessen the cash given to welfare recipients and it would appease people who think…

So I have read through a lot of this debate and I think a lot of good points have been made by both sides, but I think in the end the vegetarians who do not eat meat for moral issues are akin to pro-lifers who think life begins at conception. Once a person decides, in both cases, that something is a conscious life form and…

I've only lived in Indy for 5-6 years. I was originally from Northwest Indiana. Born in Gary, then Porter County, then Valpo until I went into the service. The grocery store was in Gary.

Like I said earlier, the more languages a person can speak, the better. But I also have to point out our citizens safety issues. Police offficers and Fireman, EMTs, paramedics, and the list goes on, are not fluent in other languages. It would behoove immigrants, not only for prosperity and unity with their new nation to…

I think that all government institutions should read, write, and converse only in English. Just because a larger group of minorities, regardless of where they are immigrating from, are not fluent does not mean we should cater to them in that fashion. Language binds people and if we let this premise that we will accomadate…

It wasn't a defense of Democrats, I hold them just as accountable for things like the Patriot Act, but since we were talking about Obama Care and the conservatives seem to be outraged the most, I just wonder when they all became such hard core constitutionalists because it wasn't from 2000-2008. And I understand what you…

When I think of things I would like to see my tax dollars go towards, healthcare for the poor is one thing I don't mind. I'm sure I can pick apart nearly everyones life who has made mistakes over the course of a few decades and decide that they made some wrong choices and ended up where they are.....but I don't think they…

In a pre-global economy, I might have bought into the whole trickle down theory of econonomics. But the truth is that the few jobs that tax breaks for the wealthy create end up going to places like communist China and third world countries. If a "job creator" wants a tax break, I think it should be in direct relation to…

No, not paleo. I have heard pros and cons for it, but I think they are on the right track not eating processed foods. I was just wondering if anyone had done a study like that. Obviously a person who eats things like ground turkey instead of fatty beefs is going to be healthier. And a lot of asian cultures eat fish and do…

Yes, but does this research take into account that we are not eating the lean meats of our ancestors, rather the bulk processed meats and mass produced fatty beef of today's society. Lean turkey, beef, and fish are surely not as likely to give you chronic dieseases as McDonald's beef patties, or a I wrong?

Let's face it, the mom is probably a simpleton whose only gratification in life is not emotional or intellectual, but physical, and the daughter is going to be the same...a moron. Let them be happy and get big old dumb boobies. Heck, at 14, maybe the girl will get lucky and be a late bloomer and her hooters will grow after…

If my children are reaching an age where they want to start exploring things like being a vegetarian or vegan, I'm fine within reason and budget. If they are willing to fix their own food and educate themselves on different dish preperation, far be it from me to inhibit free thought or independent thinking. I would…

Out of all the things my tax money goes toward, giving the poor access to minimal healthcare isn't something I mind. That's how I look at it.

I'm a little jealous. I take a few days off from debating, get drunk and get a sweet mohawk, and some one steals Patti from me. I feel so alone. I thought it was my job to spend pages arguing with her!

I also pointed out the greek orthodox church. It's not a complaint or a judgement, they just all go about making their money in different ways for various reasons. I think all churches have a tithe.

Comparing Catholocism to Scientolofy is apple and oranges. First, the Scientologists have no power to speak of besides their lawyers. Then have none of the history of the catholics, we can't see into the future to see what they will be capable of when they are nearly 2 millenia old. Also, the Catholic religion was created…

Also, I just re-read your statements....wow. I bet there is so much we could come to agree on, but honestly, anyone who would generalize that military men in women are poor or stupid is a little ridiculous. I could go on forever about this but the statement is so silly I almost think this might be a trolling atempt. And…

Which resources have we stolen in Iraq? Not saying you are wrong, just never seen any article on it.

Depression has many different degrees and can be treated. You can be alittle depressed. Only Magic Johnson has a little AIDS.

Kookier how? Their beliefs are completely strange to me as are every other religions. And like all other religions, I agree with some of their doctrine, some I don't. I can not say whether or not they do good works, I have yet to hear of any of their charity work ( never looked into it, not saying it doesn't happen). But…

So how, in you eyes, if the wars are unjust, do Army Medics become heroes, if the wars are immoral and unjust. They are just healing us resource stealers to get back on the battle field.