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"But tell me, at 3, what exactly was I supposed to do about the evil done to my father" I think you just answered your own question. 3 year olds can't do much of anything. But I'm not talking about personal experiences...I was talking about Job. What god supposedly did was evil in everyone's eyes except those who are…

We should never tolerate evil.

How many parent figures have you known to ask their son to kill their grandchildren as a test of loyalty? How many parental figures do you know who would let a monster (especially the devil) wipe out a family for a bet or test? As far a punishing evil-doers, Job by the bible's own account was anything but evil. And even…

Ok, I said I wasn't going to derail....but this has to be answered. First, any supernatural being willing to kill, allow to be killed, or torture an innocent in some type of weird loyalty test seems to have a very real human problem, low self esteem. Second, the reason the story is man made and a relic of man's barbarism…

Actually, feel free to disregard my last post. I feel as if we are going to derail even further from the OP.

Comparing him to the other gods at the time really doesn't speak to the validity of his existence or morality. And not making him follow through in this instance doesn't explain letting the devil kill Job's family for sport or slaughtering all the first born of Egypt for the sins of their fathers or about a hundred other…

Asking someone to kill their own child doesn't sound very moral to me, whether he meant it or not.

Yes, see Treetop57^. You don't have to count all the employees, just the ones at work being paid. But also note, and this is important. I might be grossly overestimating the number of employees working at these establishments. I simply don't know. I also used a 24/7 format, which may or may not be true. Then I assumed they…

Realizing the thread was on marriage, I am sorry if we derailed with homosexuality...but I want to add that homosexuality wasn't open at that time in those areas. Other areas on the planet had similar or different takes depending on the culture. As :LuckyLeprechaun stated earlier with her theory on why divorce has risen (…

This is probably one of the best written Christian answers I have read in a long time. The only critiques I have (not of you, but of the Bible) is that while a strong case is made that now those old sins are forgiven as long as you believe in Christ, it leaves non-believers like me wondering why they were sins in the first…

The 15 thing is out the window. We all agree. As far as a $1 raise...as you have already pointed out, most of these McD's are privately owned and do not get corporate money. As said before, low COL areas paying these workers $10 dollars an hour seems excessive, but in large cities where business is more than likely…

First off, plenty of people here were making assertions about the character of these workers long before I entered the debate. And while I would say that you were not the worst offender, your statements were in no doubt cold and I believe designed be hurtful, as were the others. Once again, I just wonder why your debate…

I think these are all valid points. So what is the cut off for the various government assistances, and are they different State to State? I tried looking it up but couldn't find a solid number a person had to be under, at least in Indiana.

Bettering yourself is great, and I agree that people in Fast Food jobs shouldn't strive just to be there for all time...but I am not talking about making these people well paid or even reasonably well paid, I am trying to make the point that they should be able to afford rent, public transportation, basic utilities…

I think that even the most ardent atheist would show an unbalanced opinion that the bible offers no great teachings, especially the New Testament. However, once you do remove the supernatural element of the Bible and it's rules on things like what are being discussed in this debate, that the writers were given instructions…

Fine, but three husbands are the limit, after that you run out of sizable orifices.

Nope, you are fine, and we agree in your Texas example. I think it is just a negotiation tactic.

You are debating me, it seems, on facts we agree on. I never said that fast food workers even in high COL areas should get the full 15, I just said I understand them picking that high of a number so they had room to negotiate. And to be fair, I feel like a lot of the miscommunication here is that we are all talking about…

Are you asking me if Public employees have the right to ask for more money? Sure they do. I am sure that in many circumstance, our public employees are underpaid and I often think too many citizens vilify our government employees when they speak up for themselves. As to everything else, I simply cannot make an educated…

I agree about the raises, but I think we are talking about raising the base pay of these workers, not just paying more for those who show good performance. And to be honest, I don't know if I would trust any corporations COL survey, but have been known to be cynical, lol. But I can't stress this enough, and maybe it's due…

I read a few articles about the strikes and it said they were nation wide, but I, as I said earlier, do not advocate a blanket raise for all individuals in every state. My concern is for the fast food workers living in areas where the cost of living is high...something a lot of people on these threads are willfully…

It is nice to see that your selective outrage is only directed at me. And if you have truly blocked me, it is because you know that I am right. Previous posters here have continually attacked the character of the workers in question and I have not heard your righteous anger, threats of blocking, or dime store psychology…

Argumentum ad Hominem? If you are going to throw around the fancy words you learn on Google, then I suggest maybe looking them up, because almost every argument against these workers on every page of this thread in some way attacks the character of the workers being debated. Lazy, greedy, I think that clearly qualifies as…

So, I just re-read a lot of this and I want to state a few things. To start with, we are in agreement that I also do not think that they are actually holding out for the 15, that is just how negotiating usually starts and I agree that they would take the 10. Why I disagree with is what you and several people have stated…

At some point the only people who would be willing to take the job are the illegals. I understand what you are saying about each individual place making it's own profits, but I don't think a Mc D's downtown would have a profit problem or shortage of customers. You said that the cost of living downtown was outrageous and…

I didn't think that they were trying to raise the minimum wage for everyone to 15 dollars and hour...just the fast food people in these certain states or cities. And I just did a skim of the NY waterway Ferry services.....and too you it's not expensive at all. But it cost 9 dollars for an adult ticket from Hoboken to…

I'm sure that the cost of living from wherever they might be commuting from is still higher than the nations average. And good for your friends. I'm glad they were smart enough as well. Still doesn't solve the problem. And I don't know, I have never lived on the east coast, but how cost effective would it be to commute to…

In Indiana 15 dollars an hour to work at Mc Ds is completely over the top and unacceptable. But If you live in NY, the minimum wage they are earning won't even come close to cutting it. So make a choice...either pay the people who do these unskilled crap jobs a livable wage when adjusted for the area codes inflation or…

Well, it was interesting to note that the first person to make the connection was right wing, Glenn Beck (if you can call him right wing). But that is the debate, do you think it was on purpose. They claiming it's not. Not that I care, I could point out many, many mainstream movies that poked at GWB both directly and…

I understand the horror of that and how emotional it makes all of us. But a hand gun at close range would have done the same thing, a shotgun might have been worse.