Circumcision.......
PanteraGirl
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Ok...I'd like to hear what people think about circumcision. I do not know if I'm having a boy or a girl but am due in November and should make a decision soon. My SO wants to circumcise if we have a boy but I'm very undecided about the topic.
I know that it is totally personal choice, but I would like to hear why others made the decisions that they made. I would really appreciate it!
Thanks Ladies!!!!:flowerforyou:
I know that it is totally personal choice, but I would like to hear why others made the decisions that they made. I would really appreciate it!
Thanks Ladies!!!!:flowerforyou:
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We haven't really talked about it yet as we've got plenty of time (due in Feb), but I've been reading up on it and from what I can tell, is that it's more of a religious thing especially among Jews and Muslims, but elsewhere it's slowly declining in popularity. Studies have shown that there's no real difference between preventing illnesses by cutting it off early as opposed to when absolutely medically needed later. Most instances circumcision isn't medically needed. Like I said, we haven't talked yet and I have more research to do, so I cant' really tell you anymore than that.0
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It is a very personal choice. It can also be one of those "hot topics", so let me just say right off the bat-- I do not judge others who choose differently. :flowerforyou:
But since you asked , I have not circumcised my 8yo and 4yo sons, and I will not circumcise this son, either, unless there is a medical indication to do so. Here are some of my reasons why I choose not to, and I'm sharing them as "food for thought" for anyone who wants to do further research and reading on this.
1. Cosmetics: My husband, who was himself circ'ed (his mama said they didn't even ask back then...they just did it), was not dead set on it. He was open to reading more about it and weighing the risks vs. benefits. He agreed with me that if the risks outweighed the benefits, then there was no reason to do it. When I asked him if it would bother him to have uncirc'ed sons when he himself was circ'ed (the "boys looking like their daddy" issue), he pointed out to me that no little boy's penis looks like his daddy's. He also pointed out that he had no idea what his father's penis looked like and wasn't really sure if he had been circ'ed or not.
My husband also played sports in high school and was in the military. I asked him if he ever saw any uncircumcised guys getting teased by the other guys. He told me "No, you really don't want to be caught checking out another guy's package."
I asked for input from my good friend who had 6 boys--two had been circ'ed, the others had not. She assured me that it was non-issue among the boys.
Since then, I've read that the circumcision rates in the U.S. have fallen to close to 50/50 now (more in the South, less in more "progressive" areas.) We happen to live in the "Bible Belt" of the Deep South. Among the boys in our circle of friends, it's about half and half. Y'all know how little boys are--they'll pee anywhere, they will pull off their shorts and run around naked in the sprinkler--the boys don't even seem to know the difference. It seemslike looks are a non-issue.
2. Hygiene: Contrary to popular belief, an uncircumcised penis is no more difficult to care for. Basically, you wash it. That's it. For a baby, there are no special instructions for caring for a foreskin other than LEAVE IT ALONE. It will retract on its own eventually, usually by about 5 years, and until then, you don't try to retract it. Forcibly retracting it will cause tears, inflammation, and pain (and can lead to infections). There are still a few medical personnel who are ignorant on this, and you might have to be on your MamaBear guard to keep an old-school doctor from trying to pull it back. But your son will eventually pull it back himself in the bathtub. Then you teach him to care for himself the same way you teach your daughters to care for their labia. Soap and water on the outside, plain water between the folds to prevent irritation. Nothing difficult about that.
3. Speaking of daughters' labia--I would be very much against my daughters having their genitals cut for the purpose of "better hygeine" , tradition, to lessen their sexual pleasure, or to make them more appealing to a man. I have the same objections to having my boys' genitals cut. The radical foreskin removal that we see today is different from a Jewish ceremonial circumcision. It originated among westerners in the 1800s and was intended to stop boys from masturbating (the foreskin is rich in nerve endings and increases male sexual pleasure. I've also read plenty of women who have had both circumcised and uncircumcised partners say that sex is more pleasurable with an uncircumcised partner.) In other parts of the world female circumcisions are legal and performed for many of the same reasons--mainly to make her more appealing to a future husband. And just like many circumcised males want to circumcise their sons, it's also the circumcised females who hold down the young girls and perform the circumcision.
4. Risks for baby: Everyone has a horror story about a man who had to be circ'ed later in life, and how traumatic it was for him. Guys who do choose to circumcise later on are given anesthesia and pain meds to make them comfortable afterward. Their dignity and privacy is respected. This is not the case for routine infant circs. If you are thinking about circ'ing your son, you owe it to him to watch this procedure to see how it's done and what it looks like (you can find videos on Google). After working in a large hospital newborn nursery, I was glad I hadn't circ'ed my first son. Most docs don't bother with anesthesia, but a very few offer local lidocaine or topical cream. I don't see that it helps much-- the babies are still in excrutiating pain. The high-pitched frantic screams are very different from a normal cry. Baby is stripped down and strapped to a cold board, crying, while the doctor goes about his routine, often chatting away with the nurses about new cars, vacations, or whatever. Baby is put back in his crib and kept in the nursery for at least 30 minutes afterward to monitor for complications. If the nurses have time, they will try to pick baby up and hold him. If they are busy (my nursery was very busy), baby lays there crying without comfort. There is no pain medication offered afterward. After awhile, baby falls asleep and sleeps very deeply for awhile (response to trauma), but they are often very irritable for the next day or so, and quiver all over when the diaper is changed. Circ'ing can sometimes interfere with breastfeeding.
Doctors don't always do a "clean" circ, and boys can have problems (for the rest of their lives?!) from a botched job. Doctors can take off too much skin. Boys can bleed too much afterward and require blood transfusions. Boys can become infected afterward and spend days in the hospital on IV antibiotics. Yes, these problems are relatively rare, but they do happen. I've seen them. (A close friend of mine almost lost her newborn son to a staph infection following his circ. My cousin had to have her son's botched circ corrected when he was 5yo. And I've fielded plenty of calls from worried parents after discharge to know that infection is not as uncommon as we'd like to believe.) These risks need to be weighed against the *possible* benefit of preventing penile cancer later on in life (a very rare cancer!) There is only a slight increase of infections like UTI in uncircumcised vs circumcised (and less in uncircumcised males than in females), and there are generally other factors contributing to this slight increase. But problems like UTI or adhesions can be prevented and/or managed without radical surgery. Sometimes it just takes a little research on the parents'/men's part.
And as for preventing HIV/AIDS? No way I'd rely on circumcision to protect my son against this disease. I'd rather teach them about how to avoid the risks.
5. Medial benefits? They are debatable. You can Google yourself the possible problems for penises left intact, the frequency at which they occur, and whether or not they can be corrected as easily through non-surgical means. Then weigh that against the risks of the surgery.
My ~opinion~--I thought the risks outweighed the benefits, so I choose to skip it. It is way more common for women to require mastectomies later on in life than for men to require radical circumcisions to correct penile problems. There is breast cancer in my family. I would not have my daughters' breast tissue removed at birth--I would let her keep her breasts unless there's a good medical reason to remove them. I will teach my daughers how to prevent UTIs. I will do the same for my sons.
Anyway, I know this is a rather long-winded post, but the decisions we have to make as parents carry much gravity. My intention here is not to sway you into making a decision, but to show you that there is much to think about on this topic and to encourage you to do more thinking, researching, and reading before you make your decision.0 -
My son was circumcized and it is a personal decision and I do not fault anyone if they choose different. My husband is the one who convinced me to do it as I was unsure and undecided. In some cases it is a religious decision but for us it was not it was more along the line of personal hygiene. We did ours at birth so he wouldn't have to go through it later on. I did not watch it but I do know how it is done and that the babies are strapped down for it. I do not find it any more traumatic than the constant blood tests he had to go through for jaundice where they pricked his foot over and over again. There is a really good article that the Today show did on this topic that you may want to look up and read it was just done recently. I do not want to sway anyone one way or another but this article made me glad I chose to do it. My son is now 8 and does not have any "traumatic" effects from it. In fact it would bother me know to do it when he was older because of the pain he would go through. Since he was a baby he does not remember it at all. In the beginning when I first got him home from the hospital I had to place vaseline on it for the first few weeks to prevent it from sticking to the diaper, but that was all.0
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My husband is pretty set on having it done to our boy, and I'm going to let him decide as he has the penis. I don't feel that it is medically necessary, but it's more of a social thing I feel. I had a few friends in high school who weren't circumsized and they were embarassed and even thought about having the surgery then. I feel a boy, when he is a teenager, will want to be circumsized, and I'd rather it be done when he isn't going to remember.0
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We did it to both our boys. They don't remember it. It is only as big of a deal as you want it to be. If someone judges you for your decision (either way) then "f" them. But then, I feel the same way about medicated birth, breast feeding and potty training. Do the best you can for your family at the time then move on0
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We will be having our little boy circumcised, for us it is because of our religion and what the Bible says about it. but of course to each their own and we do not look down on people who choose not to do so!0
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I am rather torn on this issue. My boyfriend and his family feel the baby should be circumsized no matter what I think ( they do not care if i want it done or not). I have done some reading on it and honestly i think i can make the decision to cause my child unneeded harm. THey strap the baby down to do and i guess sometimes they dont even use anethesia.
I have done plenty of reading where it is not medically necessary and Im just not sure if i want to cause my trusting infant harm.
This is a very hard decision to make0 -
I found this article by Dr. Sears on circumcision, if anyone's interested:
http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/pregnancy-childbirth/whether-or-not-circumcise
We are choosing not to circumcise our son.0 -
My son is not circumcised for the following reasons:
1. If a girl can be responsible and keep herself clean so can a boy
2. They don't use any kind of anesthesia for the procedure and I didn't want my son going through that pain
3. I've heard the loss in extra skin changes their "sensitivity" when they are older, not that I care about my sons future sex life but I can totally hear him ask "Why???!?!?"
4. There doesn't seem to be any valid medical reason for the procedure
So in the end I figured if my son grows up and decides for himself he wants to be circumcised than he can do it. It will be the same decision if we have a boy this time around.0 -
We're Jewish, and it's cultural for us. However, I feel like I should say that I am a convert, and that if I had never converted and I was married to someone for whom it wasn't cultural, I would still want to do it for hygiene and aesthetics0
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My husband was circed as an adult. And it drastically affected his sex life - for the worse. He only did it because he was a marine and was in flight school, and they would not let him progress to the next stage without it. He thought it was BS - he didn't understand why a circumcision would affect his ability to fly. But he wanted to fly so badly he did it anyway. And terribly regrets it.
If we had a son, I wouldn't subject him to that. It's mutilation.0 -
It is a very personal choice. It can also be one of those "hot topics", so let me just say right off the bat-- I do not judge others who choose differently. :flowerforyou:
But since you asked , I have not circumcised my 8yo and 4yo sons, and I will not circumcise this son, either, unless there is a medical indication to do so. Here are some of my reasons why I choose not to, and I'm sharing them as "food for thought" for anyone who wants to do further research and reading on this.
1. Cosmetics: My husband, who was himself circ'ed (his mama said they didn't even ask back then...they just did it), was not dead set on it. He was open to reading more about it and weighing the risks vs. benefits. He agreed with me that if the risks outweighed the benefits, then there was no reason to do it. When I asked him if it would bother him to have uncirc'ed sons when he himself was circ'ed (the "boys looking like their daddy" issue), he pointed out to me that no little boy's penis looks like his daddy's. He also pointed out that he had no idea what his father's penis looked like and wasn't really sure if he had been circ'ed or not.
My husband also played sports in high school and was in the military. I asked him if he ever saw any uncircumcised guys getting teased by the other guys. He told me "No, you really don't want to be caught checking out another guy's package."
I asked for input from my good friend who had 6 boys--two had been circ'ed, the others had not. She assured me that it was non-issue among the boys.
Since then, I've read that the circumcision rates in the U.S. have fallen to close to 50/50 now (more in the South, less in more "progressive" areas.) We happen to live in the "Bible Belt" of the Deep South. Among the boys in our circle of friends, it's about half and half. Y'all know how little boys are--they'll pee anywhere, they will pull off their shorts and run around naked in the sprinkler--the boys don't even seem to know the difference. It seemslike looks are a non-issue.
2. Hygiene: Contrary to popular belief, an uncircumcised penis is no more difficult to care for. Basically, you wash it. That's it. For a baby, there are no special instructions for caring for a foreskin other than LEAVE IT ALONE. It will retract on its own eventually, usually by about 5 years, and until then, you don't try to retract it. Forcibly retracting it will cause tears, inflammation, and pain (and can lead to infections). There are still a few medical personnel who are ignorant on this, and you might have to be on your MamaBear guard to keep an old-school doctor from trying to pull it back. But your son will eventually pull it back himself in the bathtub. Then you teach him to care for himself the same way you teach your daughters to care for their labia. Soap and water on the outside, plain water between the folds to prevent irritation. Nothing difficult about that.
3. Speaking of daughters' labia--I would be very much against my daughters having their genitals cut for the purpose of "better hygeine" , tradition, to lessen their sexual pleasure, or to make them more appealing to a man. I have the same objections to having my boys' genitals cut. The radical foreskin removal that we see today is different from a Jewish ceremonial circumcision. It originated among westerners in the 1800s and was intended to stop boys from masturbating (the foreskin is rich in nerve endings and increases male sexual pleasure. I've also read plenty of women who have had both circumcised and uncircumcised partners say that sex is more pleasurable with an uncircumcised partner.) In other parts of the world female circumcisions are legal and performed for many of the same reasons--mainly to make her more appealing to a future husband. And just like many circumcised males want to circumcise their sons, it's also the circumcised females who hold down the young girls and perform the circumcision.
4. Risks for baby: Everyone has a horror story about a man who had to be circ'ed later in life, and how traumatic it was for him. Guys who do choose to circumcise later on are given anesthesia and pain meds to make them comfortable afterward. Their dignity and privacy is respected. This is not the case for routine infant circs. If you are thinking about circ'ing your son, you owe it to him to watch this procedure to see how it's done and what it looks like (you can find videos on Google). After working in a large hospital newborn nursery, I was glad I hadn't circ'ed my first son. Most docs don't bother with anesthesia, but a very few offer local lidocaine or topical cream. I don't see that it helps much-- the babies are still in excrutiating pain. The high-pitched frantic screams are very different from a normal cry. Baby is stripped down and strapped to a cold board, crying, while the doctor goes about his routine, often chatting away with the nurses about new cars, vacations, or whatever. Baby is put back in his crib and kept in the nursery for at least 30 minutes afterward to monitor for complications. If the nurses have time, they will try to pick baby up and hold him. If they are busy (my nursery was very busy), baby lays there crying without comfort. There is no pain medication offered afterward. After awhile, baby falls asleep and sleeps very deeply for awhile (response to trauma), but they are often very irritable for the next day or so, and quiver all over when the diaper is changed. Circ'ing can sometimes interfere with breastfeeding.
Doctors don't always do a "clean" circ, and boys can have problems (for the rest of their lives?!) from a botched job. Doctors can take off too much skin. Boys can bleed too much afterward and require blood transfusions. Boys can become infected afterward and spend days in the hospital on IV antibiotics. Yes, these problems are relatively rare, but they do happen. I've seen them. (A close friend of mine almost lost her newborn son to a staph infection following his circ. My cousin had to have her son's botched circ corrected when he was 5yo. And I've fielded plenty of calls from worried parents after discharge to know that infection is not as uncommon as we'd like to believe.) These risks need to be weighed against the *possible* benefit of preventing penile cancer later on in life (a very rare cancer!) There is only a slight increase of infections like UTI in uncircumcised vs circumcised (and less in uncircumcised males than in females), and there are generally other factors contributing to this slight increase. But problems like UTI or adhesions can be prevented and/or managed without radical surgery. Sometimes it just takes a little research on the parents'/men's part.
And as for preventing HIV/AIDS? No way I'd rely on circumcision to protect my son against this disease. I'd rather teach them about how to avoid the risks.
5. Medial benefits? They are debatable. You can Google yourself the possible problems for penises left intact, the frequency at which they occur, and whether or not they can be corrected as easily through non-surgical means. Then weigh that against the risks of the surgery.
My ~opinion~--I thought the risks outweighed the benefits, so I choose to skip it. It is way more common for women to require mastectomies later on in life than for men to require radical circumcisions to correct penile problems. There is breast cancer in my family. I would not have my daughters' breast tissue removed at birth--I would let her keep her breasts unless there's a good medical reason to remove them. I will teach my daughers how to prevent UTIs. I will do the same for my sons.
Anyway, I know this is a rather long-winded post, but the decisions we have to make as parents carry much gravity. My intention here is not to sway you into making a decision, but to show you that there is much to think about on this topic and to encourage you to do more thinking, researching, and reading before you make your decision.
Well done, excellent writing.
I agree with this. We did not cirumcise our son either. Mostly because of the reasons stated above.0 -
Nope didn't get it done for the first won't do it with any of our sons if we have more.0
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If we have a boy, he will be circumcised.0