Joint pain

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Question for you MSer's out there...do any of you have days (weeks) where it seems like every joint in your body hurts? Times of year it is worse? Just trying to get a feel for it...wondering if it is just me, maybe med related or just life with MS, or even the time of year (coldish winter). I am not talking about pain after exercising, just pain for no reason (of course it does have a reason). Just curious.
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  • huds_mommy
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    I definitely have aches and pains pretty often; however, my most extreme pain centers in my back and spinal cord area. I notice mine hurts worse right before I have an attack. I will be in extreme pain, struggling to bend over, or pick up my son for a week and then I will wake up one morning and my legs won't even come close to working right, and my trunk area will be so numb that I no longer have any pain. I do really struggle in the colder months too. I have a much harder time walking. As far as my other joints, I really ignore a lot. I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes I can be really oblivious to what is going on with my body. My doctor gets on to me all the time and tells me I should be more aware of whats happening with my body instead of tring to ignore it.
  • tberry36
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    I used to have joint pain consistently in my hands, knees and elbows. What really helped me was to remove gluten from my diet. Gluten and inflammation go hand-in-hand for me. I notice if I have a day where I do eat gluten - pizza or baked treats - by the next day my joints will ache. May not be the same for everyone, but you may want to investigate potential food allergies that could cause inflammation.
  • mdfishinggirl
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    Thank you both! I am a big "ignorer" of things going on in my body too. Now that I am feeling better on the inside (eating the right foods), I am noticing things more.

    I had not thought about the gluten, but will check it out. Doesn't hurt to pay attention to that and see if there is any correlation!
  • Benji49
    Benji49 Posts: 419 Member
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    If I am under stress then I get huge pain in my eye sockets. Not sure if it is the optic neuritis or the MS or a combination of the 2. It literally feels like the socket is going to explode any second and some days I just wish it would and be done with it! :cry:

    And I used to get days where I would just not have any strength in my hands/wrists/arms - to the point where lifting a full cup of coffee was impossible and trying to cook anything wasn't happening. Haven't had that since I started on meds in 2009.

    The numbness huds_mommy mentioned is my biggest problem right now. And I've found that that seems to be stress related too - definitely MS related according to my docs - but stress makes it worse.

    I probably need to look into the gluten thing too! Is that good for diabetes too? I have my husband to worry about too!
  • huds_mommy
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    I am not glutten free; however, I am really trying to watch my intake more. The "MS Recovery Diet" swears that MS can be maintained by a strict diet. Not eating glutten, legums, sugar, sat. fats, yeast, eggs, and dairy. I tried this diet and honestly did not have the will power to stick with it. I try to be very concious of how much of it all I am taking in though. They really focus on food allergies and its relation to MS. I have considered going Paleo which is similar with the exception of eating eggs and some legums. People also swear by its healing properties. I just LOVE food! It makes it hard. I also want to say thanks for sharing your experience with the eye pain. I also started to notice eye pain a couple of weeks ago after ignoring a constant headache for about a week. Finally I put it all together and realized every time I moved my eye it felt like it was pulling or straining behind it. And it really hurt. At least I don't feel like i'm crazy now, because when I brought it up to my doc. last week he made me feel like maybe I was over reacting or something. He said I should go ask the eye doctor and that I should not be experiencing optic neritis yet.
  • zenzoes
    zenzoes Posts: 187
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    Yes I can have quite a bit of joint pain some days, others not so much. Stress, high pressure, and cold can attribute to it for sure. My physicians believe a lot of it is but not all is contributed to my form of Muscular dystrophy rather the my Multiple sclerosis. I am taking joint supplements with Chondroitin Glucosamine and MSM which I can really tell the difference when I do not take for a few days. My supplement comes in liquid form which is much easier for me to take due to swallowing issues.

    I have heard that a gluten free diet as tberry36 mentioned can help some also. The MS society has some information on that on the national MS web site too. I plan on giving that a try once I get my regular diet a little more under control and managed.

    I also, like some of you tend to set these things on the back burner and ignore as much as possible, it's been a part of my daily life since I can remember. Epsom baths help the days it seems to preset itself more. And I always smell a little like icy hot/ tiger balm rub. Sexy!
  • Benji49
    Benji49 Posts: 419 Member
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    huds_mommy:
    You know, I asked a lot of questions and did a lot of reading when I was first diagnosed - about diets and whether there was a specific correlation to MS. What I basically was told was that no diet was going to be a cure for MS - the best advice I got was to stick with the Canada Food Guide basics (am assuming the US Food Guide is same) and to monitor my personal dietary needs. For instance - I cannot go without eggs - I've tried and I just can't. I get dizzy, unco-ordinated and just not me. And I have to eat protein in the morning before I go to work or I'm absolutely useless by 10 am.:laugh:

    The comment from your doc about you shouldn't have optic neuritis yet - I have a problem with that. A large number of people with MS also have optic neuritis and frequently the eye problems are the first symptom that is noticed and is what leads to the MS diagnosis. Having said that - he is probably right about seeing your optometrist - if he is any good he is going to keep notes on what symptoms you are feeling and it was the Optic Surgeon at the hospital when I went in as an emergency case that diagnosed my O.N. and it was he who referred me to an Opthamological Neurologist/MS Specialist. (sp)

    Some of the other symptoms with my eyes that I had before the emerg were: a black circle surrounding what I was looking at (kind of shadow-like) and spots drifting before me. The extreme pain in the eye socket. And I also had severe vertigo - to the point where I couldn't go to the grocery store because there was too much colour and sound and movement. I didn't drive because if I got on a busy road I'd see double or triple or just feel like I was falling off the roadway. It was really bad for awhile.
    I also started to lose my colour vision - and am now unable to tell the difference between black/dark grey/navy blue unless the light is really bright and I can stand and look at things without moving.
  • jgsm
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    Yeah, I definitely go through spells of joint pain/ issues. The pain sensation varies- it's not always the same feeling or even in the same joints and it's kinda hard to even exactly describe it. Sometimes it's just kind of vaguely achy; other times it's a crushing agony. But as a few have already mentioned- it almost always fades into severe numbness.

    My daughter had a science project a year or so ago in which she had to chart the barometric pressure for the term. This is totally anecdotal- and may apply only to me- but when we compared it with a calendar of my symptoms, we noticed that I felt the worst and had the most pain on days of high pressure or when the barometer was rising. Low pressure/ stormy days were by far my best- which goes against what a lot of people (esp. those suffering from arthritis) report. So, there is absolutely no science behind this to back me up- just what I've noticed for me.

    I've tried being gluten free for a bit- I've also tried cutting out casein, red meat, and other animal proteins in the past. For me (again just my personal experience) none of that really seemed to make much of a difference. I am on a daily low dose aspirin (huge heart disease family history and risk factors) and vitamin D supplements (I've climbed up from being severely deficient to just insufficient levels now) and if I skip either of those for a couple days- I really notice an increase in pain. And of course, stress always adds to it.

    Just my observations- nothing definitive....
  • jchester71
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    My wife does experience days of intense joint pain (one of her primary symptoms is pain) and it seems to be related not so much to the weather conditions, but to the rapid change in weather conditions. A day when it starts clears and warm and a storm blows in and then blows back out are by far the toughest on her joints. Also it seems to be worse when the weather if generally warm, and we are outside of air conditioning.
  • sedavis62
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    I also had severe vertigo - to the point where I couldn't go to the grocery store because there was too much colour and sound and movement.

    Sort of off-topic, I know, but ... Benji49 ... Thanks for saying this!!! For years, I have had this trouble with grocery stores! My husband has graciously stepped in and does the groceries now, but I don't think he understands what it's like for me. It can get so bad that I have panic attacks right there in the frozen food aisle lol. It's reassuring to see I'm not alone in this crazy reaction.
  • Sinisi2012
    Sinisi2012 Posts: 333 Member
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    I often get joint pain, had it so bad for several months that my doc tested me for Rheumatoid Arthritis, since people with one immune disorder often get others. Several of the tests pointed to it, but others didn't. They couldn't rule it out so they sent me to a Rheumatologist who treated me for possible RA (great another alphabet disease to go with my MS!) I stayed on the meds for a few years but stopped taking them after awhile. Things are better but I still have some tough days. Obviously dieting, exercising and losing 35lbs have helped!
  • Benji49
    Benji49 Posts: 419 Member
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    I also had severe vertigo - to the point where I couldn't go to the grocery store because there was too much colour and sound and movement.

    Sort of off-topic, I know, but ... Benji49 ... Thanks for saying this!!! For years, I have had this trouble with grocery stores! My husband has graciously stepped in and does the groceries now, but I don't think he understands what it's like for me. It can get so bad that I have panic attacks right there in the frozen food aisle lol. It's reassuring to see I'm not alone in this crazy reaction.

    I would love to have my husband do the grocery shopping - unfortunately it would cost too much! I can usually count on an extra $100 when he joins me. :laugh:
  • tralo_15068
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    I got diagnoised with Fibromyalgia for the joint pain and went to an arthrits Dr who determined this disease that alot of times goes along with MS. just keep moving like exercise if you can keep you mobile!