Plants are livings things

"If we didnt breed animals for food, so many of them would never live. We gave them the gift of life"

Wow. Just WOW

Plants are livings things

"and how do you know they dont feel pain too??"

plus all of the above including the argument that we put the animals here for us to eat.

currently i am tired of all the "carbs are BAD..protein and fat GOOD" arguments. and "meat and milk are GOOD for you"

"Because we know how nervous systems work in organisms that have them. Did you not pay attention in 10th grade biology?"

On that note, there was a study done with results published in Scientific American in 2009 demonstrating that fish experience and seek to avoid a range of discomfort and pain... for the "vegetarians" in your life who still "enjoy" fish occasionally.

I guess the biggest trouble I haven't isn't with all the same old stupidities thrown at us by people who are ignorant, hostile, or both.

It's actually with the amount of ignorance, mysticism and anti-social sentiment propagated by the so-called "natural health" and environmentalist communities, with which vegans are typically associated. There's a wide streak of anti-social sentiment that ends up being, perhaps unintentionally, quite backwards (e.g., people are a cancer on the earth, they need to consume less and/or die off, there are too many of us, etc.).

Not every vegan's an out-and-out deep ecologist but it's an influential set of ideas lately with the lack of serious political response to the economic and environmental crises.

Plants are livings things

^^^^^^^THAT. Thank God I don't hear too much criticism but when I hear that, ESP from someone I had previously presumed educated and intelligent, it just frays my last nerve...

1) "where do you get protein from" - my new response is where do elephants get their protein from, they just eat plants and seem to do just fine
2) "plants have feelings too" - dumbass, you eat plants too
3) "I could be vegan but I'd miss X too much" - ok, so why don't you cut out everything but X?

"WHAT do you eat?" and "I could NEVER give up cheese!". I hear these two things most often. Its astonishing how people live in fear of losing their cheese.

Edit: Forgot to quote: "If we didnt breed animals for food, so many of them would never live. We gave them the gift of life"

That has got to be one of the most ..assinine things I've heard. It's like saying puppy mills are great because those suffering animals at least have a life. What's the point of life if it's an existence not for yourself? Just wow.

I get a lot of eye rolling. I'm one of few liberals in my area, so I'm already considered a bit crazy. I recycle religiously, compost, eat mostly organic, and now I'm vegan. People here think I'm completely off my rocker!

I really enjoy the what do you eat question because at least that one is interesting to answer as I am somewhat food obsessed. Protein and calcium questions are annoying and the whole plants feel pain too does do my nut.

Most distressing thing I have heard is my daughters friends telling me that their parents wouldnt let them become vegetarian. What the?? Sadly I know its true but really you have to eat dead animal bits and pieces how nuts does that sound.

Thats what happened to my..I was not allowed to go veg as a kid in the 70's. Parents wouldnt hear of it. You can imagine how much distress it causes them that both my girls (ages 10 and 4) are vegetarian and my son almost veggie..and it was totally their choice! I hear all the time how I am probably not giving them enough protein...and mind you the 10 yo..who has been veggie since she was 8..is a competitive gymnast

I wasnt allowed to go vege while living at home because of protein and calcium hahaha, now my mother who cannot physically eat meat and struggles to get milk down comes to me for nutritional advice hahh