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RBXChas
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My husband and I have our own office with two awesome staff members, both of whom smoke. A lot. They go outside to do it, but they do it right outside our door (we live in SC where there are no restrictions as to where you can smoke in public, and based on where our office is, I can't imagine where else they could go other than to their own cars). When they come back in, they reek of smoke. They have declined our insurance coverage because it is too expensive (we can't even come close to affording to cover it with them added because of their smoking), so I feel like we have no place, at least from an employer's perspective, to encourage them to quit. I casually joke that they should quit because it would save so much money, and they always say that they know they should quit, but it's so hard, etc. etc.
Now I was a social smoker in college, but these days I am incredibly sensitive, perhaps oversensitive, to cigarette smoke and the smell of stale smoke on people. When I have to work in close range with these two women, the smell really bothers me. However, that doesn't happen often, so I just deal with it.
One of these ladies has a newborn grandchild who lives with her (mom lives elsewhere - it's complicated), so she regularly cares for a newborn baby, smoking all the way (not with the baby in her arms, but she does smoke in her house and in her car with the baby present). We have recently had a couple of clients who've had babies and brought them by, and they have let both ladies hold their newborns without hesitation.
As for me, that prospect really makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
Not only do I not want my baby smelling like smoke after they hold him/her (because even if I am imagining it, I will be smelling it on my child), but it is arguably really bad for babies, especially newborns, whose immune systems are still relatively weak, to be exposed to the toxins that linger on a smoker's skin and clothing (a/k/a third-hand smoke, see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/third-hand-smoke/AN01985).
Putting aside the issues of whether or not I am crazy to be uncomfortable about the grossness and the risks, can you all think of any ways to minimize my baby's exposure to them? I am inclined to simply not let them hold my baby, but I feel like they will be incredibly insulted. I imagine bringing the baby into the office in a carrier and saying I have to be brief for whatever reason (doctor's appt, etc) so that I don't have to take the baby out of the carrier, thus avoiding the situation entirely. I also know that if allowed, they will not be happy holding the baby for a minute or two but will want to hold him/her for a while (nevermind that they have work to do). This is the way they have been with clients' babies.
My husband is as anti-smoking as the next guy, but my guess is that his take on it will be to just deal with it, that it's not that big a deal. Honestly I just thought of this earlier today, when I saw one of them go take a smoke break, so he and I have not discussed it. I'd like to bring it up to him with some ideas in hand, so to speak.
Does anyone have any thoughts or advice on this?
Now I was a social smoker in college, but these days I am incredibly sensitive, perhaps oversensitive, to cigarette smoke and the smell of stale smoke on people. When I have to work in close range with these two women, the smell really bothers me. However, that doesn't happen often, so I just deal with it.
One of these ladies has a newborn grandchild who lives with her (mom lives elsewhere - it's complicated), so she regularly cares for a newborn baby, smoking all the way (not with the baby in her arms, but she does smoke in her house and in her car with the baby present). We have recently had a couple of clients who've had babies and brought them by, and they have let both ladies hold their newborns without hesitation.
As for me, that prospect really makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
Not only do I not want my baby smelling like smoke after they hold him/her (because even if I am imagining it, I will be smelling it on my child), but it is arguably really bad for babies, especially newborns, whose immune systems are still relatively weak, to be exposed to the toxins that linger on a smoker's skin and clothing (a/k/a third-hand smoke, see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/third-hand-smoke/AN01985).
Putting aside the issues of whether or not I am crazy to be uncomfortable about the grossness and the risks, can you all think of any ways to minimize my baby's exposure to them? I am inclined to simply not let them hold my baby, but I feel like they will be incredibly insulted. I imagine bringing the baby into the office in a carrier and saying I have to be brief for whatever reason (doctor's appt, etc) so that I don't have to take the baby out of the carrier, thus avoiding the situation entirely. I also know that if allowed, they will not be happy holding the baby for a minute or two but will want to hold him/her for a while (nevermind that they have work to do). This is the way they have been with clients' babies.
My husband is as anti-smoking as the next guy, but my guess is that his take on it will be to just deal with it, that it's not that big a deal. Honestly I just thought of this earlier today, when I saw one of them go take a smoke break, so he and I have not discussed it. I'd like to bring it up to him with some ideas in hand, so to speak.
Does anyone have any thoughts or advice on this?
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My MIL and, in fact, most of the women in my husband's family (his aunts, sister, cousins) are all very dedicated smokers. Interestingly, despite being surrounded by clouds of smoke as a child, neither he nor his brother ever smoked one cigarette. Wonder what made it a female thing in his family...
Anyway, sadly, I don't have any solutions for you, because I'll probably just be sucking it up and dealing with it. My thought is that none of them will be around the baby for long enough for it to make a difference. But I'd love to hear if others have suggestions!0 -
If I was in this situation I would wear the baby whenever I was around them and keep exposure to a minimum.
If they want to hold the baby tell them he is sensitive to smells and you don't want him breathing in smoke residue.
If you feel strongly about this, you need to be a mama bear. I wouldn't care if they were offended or not. Baby's health and comfort comes before that of the smokers.0 -
If I was in this situation I would wear the baby whenever I was around them and keep exposure to a minimum.
If they want to hold the baby tell them he is sensitive to smells and you don't want him breathing in smoke residue.
If you feel strongly about this, you need to be a mama bear. I wouldn't care if they were offended or not. Baby's health and comfort comes before that of the smokers.
Ooh, baby wearing is a great idea! I don't feel bad about their not holding my baby, especially because they are not family, but I am hoping to find a gentle way to say no. I don't think they have any idea about third-hand smoke! I would like to continue working with them without their thinking I am a total beotch, so it is something I need to approach with some sensitivity.0 -
I am going to be faced with this same situation with MIL and FIL. MIL doesn't smoke in her house but she does in the car, however she doesn't smell as strongly as a typical smoker (in fact, a lot of people can't even "tell"she smokes). FIL smokes everywhere - car, house, etc.0
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I agree with being assertive about it. I will not tolerate someone smoking around my son lest they really want me to kick their *kitten*.
You're the boss. Tell them to smoke further away from the door.0 -
I have several heavy smokers in my family and in my husbands and had this issue when my daughter was a baby. I was also a heavy smoke prior to becoming pregnant. Anytime one of these people wanted to hold her I asked them to either change thier shirt or drape a blanket over all clothing the baby would be exposed to (I always had a large receiving blanket with me). I also asked them to wash thier hands. If they didn't like it then they could NOT hold her. I would always say that I did not quit smoking for my baby to be exposed to other peoples smoke. Most people understood, but I still get a lot of slack from my own mom. She smokes in her house as do other people and my now three year old has still not been to her house. It is just a non negotiable for us because of the health risks. If people do not understand that or wont comply, then we don't want them holding our baby anyway.
You will be surprised how quickly the mama bear might come out once the baby is here. I am not confrontational and would normally never demand anything from anyone, but this was easy for me. As long as I am doing it to protect her I can say or do anything, lol.0 -
Ugh, I had to resurrect this post because yesterday one of our staff members was talking to our new intern, and she was telling her how she can't wait to hold my little girl (this is the one who is annoyingly insistent that I'm having a girl). I was standing right there, kind of half in the conversation, half doing something else, so I felt like making a little joke that she better quit smoking now if she wants to hold my baby. However, I held my tongue. Now I'm wondering if I should have said something so that maybe it would have opened the door to the conversation, and I could provide information showing that my not allowing them to hold my baby will not be out of some crazy new mom "superstition." I can almost guarantee that if she and her sister (the other staff member) insist on holding my baby, and I tell them about the whole "it's really not good for babies" thing, they will just assume I'm being overly cautious, blah, blah, blah.
It's sad that these little things stress me out, but I am not looking forward to inadvertently insulting them. I mean, their nails are yellow. Not a little yellow but completely yellow. One of them held our puppy for a couple of minutes yesterday, and he smelled like smoke until I was able to get home and wipe him down (I can't give him a bath just yet because of his stitches from being neutered).
It's just gross, and I wish they would appreciate that their habit can be dangerous to non-smokers and that we non-smokers do not appreciate those dangers or the smell/residue they bring with them.
ETA that this makes me really grateful that no one in my family or my husband's family smokes! (Unfortunately it took my uncle's dying of lung cancer even after quitting years of chain-smoking for some people in my extended family to quit.)0 -
I know you're not trying to be rude, but you have to tell them no. It is incredibly rude and insensitive of them to pose a potential health risk to your newborn because they have this habit. My dad smokes, but I will NOT let him hold my child after he smokes unless he changes his shirt and washes his hands. I understand that it can be an uncomfortable situation, but just point out the facts. Third hand smoke is bad for anyone especially infants. Do some research and make some key points to tell them. Tell them that you are not trying to be rude or overprotective, but you want to keep your baby safe and healthy. They may not be offended. They may take it better than you're expecting. Just do it in a nice and more concerned way than coming off judgemental or mean. You have to be the protector of your child, because he/she can't do that for themselves yet. Let them know that you are willing to make a compromise. Let them hold the baby only if they've changed their shirt and washed their hands. GOOD LUCK!0
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I definitely think the baby wearing is a good idea! But also starting the conversation now might be a good idea. If/when they mention it again mention that you have been doing some reading about 3rd hand smoke and you aren't comfortable with them handling the baby as long as they continue to smoke OR like others have mentioned, have a blanket that they must use to cover all parts of them that will be touching the baby and make them wash their hands.
If the smell was still on your dog then you definitely don't want that on your child! I don't understand how people can smoke around kids. One of my good friends is a smoker but she is very careful not to smoke around me which I really appreciate. As far as the smell getting in the building, I agree with Pregosorous, you're the boss tell them to smoke elsewhere. My first job we were allowed to smoke (I didn't) but we could be seen smoking in uniform and we couldn't smell like smoke the friend I mentioned before keeps body spray with her and after smoking sprays it, I very seldom notice the smell of smoke on her unless it's just us hanging out in which case she doesn't bother with the spray everytime she smokes0
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