The Great Porn Experiment.
MikeM53082
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Guys, stay away from porno! After watching this video, you'll be scared straight. The video is a bit lengthy (16 mins), but very, very informative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
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Gets very interesting around the 11 minute mark.
In short, most men could get laid if they could just keep their hands off their ****s for 5 seconds.0 -
will listen on my way home..thx0
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i'll watch after my kids go to bed. porn ruined my sex life with my ex. i always wanted it. he never did.....0
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i'll watch after my kids go to bed. porn ruined my sex life with my ex. i always wanted it. he never did.....
This is EXACTLY the kind of stuff that video addresses. It's a bit shocking.0 -
I'll have to watch it later as well. I won't say it ruined my marriage, but it definitely did a lot to F it up. Nothing we did in the bedroom was ever good enough, he always had to push the envelope further....then it was an issue that I wasn't enough. He wanted another woman (I would not agree to it so he found that on his own)....he wanted me to get implants and told me daily how I wasn't beautiful without them (I didn't cave on that either). Just a total mindf*ck that took time to get over after the divorce.
So...yeah, anyway, I'll have to watch it later and see what it has to say.0 -
I'll have to watch it later as well. I won't say it ruined my marriage, but it definitely did a lot to F it up. Nothing we did in the bedroom was ever good enough, he always had to push the envelope further....then it was an issue that I wasn't enough. He wanted another woman (I would not agree to it so he found that on his own)....he wanted me to get implants and told me daily how I wasn't beautiful without them (I didn't cave on that either). Just a total mindf*ck that took time to get over after the divorce.
So...yeah, anyway, I'll have to watch it later and see what it has to say.
jeez! I know you know this, but you're so much better off. You're GORGEOUS and wonderful just the way you are.
I'll check this out later!0 -
it's actually not all that shocking when you think about it.
for one, porn never says no. it never has a headache. it never cannot do that certain position. it doesn't complain that something hurts or is uncomfortable. it's ALWAYS ready to go.
for two. porn sets an incredibly high bar for women to meet. men end up with expectations and fantasies that are often unattainable. and if you start watching YOUNG, most women will either totally degrade themselves to make you happy, or you will never find someone that turns you on enough.
for three. porn desensitizes to reality. suddenly the real deal just doesn't do it for ya. you have to pull up the pornos in your mind in order to get hard, stay hard and get off.
fourth, porn makes you too tired to actually have sex with a live woman. if jack off to porn several times a day and there is nothing left for your wife or girlfriend, or sex toy.
porn is addictive and since it's images you can't just UNsee them.
after our first daughter was born my ex would not have sex with me. for three months we fought about it. one afternoon i walked out of the bedroom and caught him jerking off. that was the first time. i told him to finish what he was doing and went back in the bedroom. that night, i took my daughter and left for three days. i should have left for good, but i didn't.
he became addicted over the course of about 6 mo. and it was awful ever after that. never wanted to have sex. called me a nun. told me having sex with me was like eating chocolate ice cream every day ( and he HATES chocolate ice cream). one year for christmas i asked for diamond stud earrings and instead he gave me two pornos. the next year i asked for the earrings again for my birthday and i got a vibrator. he told me to *kitten* more. i wanted to have sex with him, not *kitten* more......
i caught him several more times after that. he always turned down actual sex for porn. it got to the point where we were having sex once every 6 mo or so. it was awful. and according to him, he didn't have any issues and it was my fault for not being exciting enough in bed. to say it messes with your head is an understatement. you feel like you are the least desirable person. especially when you KNOW that you like sex and want it and are willing to do anything.......
he used to tell me i should go work at the bunny ranch, or become a stripper. basically i should have sex with people for money. and yet after we separated and i got some body parts pierced i was a *kitten*, and slut, and all sorts of dirty names.....i'll watch after my kids go to bed. porn ruined my sex life with my ex. i always wanted it. he never did.....
This is EXACTLY the kind of stuff that video addresses. It's a bit shocking.0 -
Interesting video0
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Just watched with the BF. I asked him to let me know when I get more boring than porn. And if he watches so much his parts don't work I'm gonna get very angry...0
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The problem in the kind of extreme situations people are describing here (above, about partners being addicted to porn) is that there is resentment on both sides and that, ultimately, nobody is ready to make a move towards the other person and the situation is basically stuck.
At this stage, and if nobody wants to make an effort towards the partner, it's probably better to accept the relationship is over.
I understand that your average woman might not want to go into the extremes shown in some porn movies, but I also understand that your average man might not want to have simply vanilla sex (and vice versa?).
My perception (and I might be totally wrong here!) is that generally speaking women are "less imaginative" when it comes to sex... less sexual maybe? With a lower sex drive on average? Or maybe it is that men have generally watched more porn and thus have just seen more ways of doing things through the screen? Maybe I'm just contaminated and will never see the world the same way again!
With porn, something that you can do is watch a movie (that you chose with the partner) while you are having sex, or go and buy a sex toy together, discuss a scenario that you are going to reproduce in bed, etc. Sex isn't just about dipping the biscuit after all... Porn can "boost" a relationship IMO.
Of course, if your partner is an unwilling @!#*&% then there is nothing you can do (i.e. they don't want to compromise at all!) - but this works both ways.
(and don't get me wrong, I agree that the posters above don't seem to have been lucky when picking their partner since in my view you should at the very least be respectful to your partner and have the strength to stop the relationship if you see it's not going where you want rather than taking it on your partner and blaming them...)0 -
Flim - I absolutely agree. I'll just leave it at, I'm a freak. We did everything short of animals and other people. I did what I thought I had to do to save my marriage. Meanwhile he was sleeping with more than a few other women (later told me he liked variety). Anyway, when I found out about the other women, that was the end.
Sam - Thanks....it was over 5yrs ago and a lot of healing has occurred since.
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I have always wanted sex more than most of my partners..and if anyone was super vanilla or had issues...it wasn't me. Never thought it might be porn related though. Interesting...and kinda scary...as apparently only older men have a chance at true rehab...0
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Am I the only guy that after 10 minutes or so finds porn to be kind of boring?
Trust me,all the equipment works (just seldom gets used :grumble: ) so that is not an issue.
I simply find real life action better then a movie. :bigsmile:0 -
i'm not going to get into some debate with you as it's not worth it. but you don't know me. and you haven't a clue what i did in my marriage to try and fix things. you don't know what my feelings are towards various aspects of sex, etc.
i was told that it was normal for guys to look at porn and i just needed to accept it. and so i did. i don't like porn personally, but i would watch things like "cathouse" and "real sex" on hbo. i had no issues trying new things or having sex every day or more than once a day. HE did. he couldn't. he was too tired and ended up with erectile issues because of it. so, his way of fixing it, was trying to get me to leave HIM alone! and this all started within a year of marriage. we were married for 9 years. so for 8 of it i did everything i could think of. a lot of it he would turn down because " it wouldn't help or make a difference." and i was always the initiator.
if you've never been a women on the other end of a relationship where the guy is spent from porn i don't expect you to understand, but, it's a lot more common than you think. And usually someone ends up cheating...... i am very leery about getting involved with a guy that watches a lot of porn now. it's a huge turn off.The problem in the kind of extreme situations people are describing here (above, about partners being addicted to porn) is that there is resentment on both sides and that, ultimately, nobody is ready to make a move towards the other person and the situation is basically stuck.
At this stage, and if nobody wants to make an effort towards the partner, it's probably better to accept the relationship is over.
I understand that your average woman might not want to go into the extremes shown in some porn movies, but I also understand that your average man might not want to have simply vanilla sex (and vice versa?).
My perception (and I might be totally wrong here!) is that generally speaking women are "less imaginative" when it comes to sex... less sexual maybe? With a lower sex drive on average? Or maybe it is that men have generally watched more porn and thus have just seen more ways of doing things through the screen? Maybe I'm just contaminated and will never see the world the same way again!
With porn, something that you can do is watch a movie (that you chose with the partner) while you are having sex, or go and buy a sex toy together, discuss a scenario that you are going to reproduce in bed, etc. Sex isn't just about dipping the biscuit after all... Porn can "boost" a relationship IMO.
Of course, if your partner is an unwilling @!#*&% then there is nothing you can do (i.e. they don't want to compromise at all!) - but this works both ways.
(and don't get me wrong, I agree that the posters above don't seem to have been lucky when picking their partner since in my view you should at the very least be respectful to your partner and have the strength to stop the relationship if you see it's not going where you want rather than taking it on your partner and blaming them...)0 -
i watched the video and WOW! how spot on!!
i mean even the being diagnosed with other issues. my ex ended up seeing a therapist and she came back with depression, OCD, social anxiety, etc. my ex has had issues with jobs and being able to find ANY happiness in his life.
he had been hooked on internet porn since i met him ( 21).
his statement on how sexual preferences get deeply rigged in the brain because of watching that style of porn. the issue with that, is that how do you initiate a relationship with someone that can only get off watching things like gangbangs and hard core anal?? even some of the oral sex ( talk bjs here) are so NOT ok to expect of someone who has never given a bj before......
it's all very fascinating........0 -
i watched the video and WOW! how spot on!!
i mean even the being diagnosed with other issues. my ex ended up seeing a therapist and she came back with depression, OCD, social anxiety, etc. my ex has had issues with jobs and being able to find ANY happiness in his life.
he had been hooked on internet porn since i met him ( 21).
his statement on how sexual preferences get deeply rigged in the brain because of watching that style of porn. the issue with that, is that how do you initiate a relationship with someone that can only get off watching things like gangbangs and hard core anal?? even some of the oral sex ( talk bjs here) are so NOT ok to expect of someone who has never given a bj before......
it's all very fascinating........
It's certainly an interesting video. It's good that you posted your personal experience on here because most guys (like myself) never really think of all the effects that porn has in our relationships. I've always thought porn was just a fun and innocent thing most men watched on the side. But I could see how it could take over your life and have serious effects on a relationship. The physical effects of porn (erectile dysfunction) was very sobering as well.
Your story was definitely an eye opener.0 -
It's certainly an interesting video. It's good that you posted your personal experience on here because most guys (like myself) never really think of all the effects that porn has in our relationships. I've always thought porn was just a fun and innocent thing most men watched on the side. But I could see how it could take over your life and have serious effects on a relationship. The physical effects of porn (erectile dysfunction) was very sobering as well.
Does this mean you're going to stop watching it now??
I think, like anything in life, moderation is the key!! If you're going to jerk off 5x per day to porn then obviously it's an addiction and there will be consequences
But I'm with Carl, given the choice, I'd much rather the warmth and hardess of a real man, than to watch and jerk. It's a no brainer to me, but then, I'm not addicted
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4themoney .. my exhusband was addicted to porn as well. I, of course, didn't know that until after we were married and had our son. When we first started living together I found a huge duffle bag full of magazines .. but I thought that was normal for guys so i didn't think anything of it. One day, I was in the basement and found some plastice totes and I had no idea what they were.. I opened them and they were FULL of porno videos. There were so many. It was so disgusting.
I was heart broken and angry and disgusted and I instantly felt like I was not enough. It was awful.0 -
just to given an example.
i was 19 he was 21 when we started dating and having sex. we were together about 2 months when went away for a weekend. he could NOT maintain an erection!! he was 21, and in a relationship with a real person who was new, and he could not stay hard......
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What I thought was interesting was that the Ram was more aroused and had better response time when the ewes were varied. It tells me that monogamous sex is a BS construct imposed by women. As for the science and research, the notion that those who quit watching porn are a control group for those who continue to watch, I think it is a BS proposition. This is known as sample selection bias. The group who quit watching are not a random subset of the population at large. This is a group who had some sort of sexual problems, sought out an expert who treated them for the problem (with a diagnosis of porn addiction) and probably did some other counseling type services to treat the problems. It is ridiculous to even think that this group is a control group.0
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What I thought was interesting was that the Ram was more aroused and had better response time when the ewes were varied. It tells me that monogamous sex is a BS construct imposed by women. As for the science and research, the notion that those who quit watching porn are a control group for those who continue to watch, I think it is a BS proposition. This is known as sample selection bias. The group who quit watching are not a random subset of the population at large. This is a group who had some sort of sexual problems, sought out an expert who treated them for the problem (with a diagnosis of porn addiction) and probably did some other counseling type services to treat the problems. It is ridiculous to even think that this group is a control group.
I agree that it is not an adequate control group and I question a bit of the science.
But in NO way is monogamous sex a construct imposed by women. As IF women have held that much power in regulating society and sexuality. You can say it was imposed by religion, or more likely the old all powerful church/state....but hardly women.0 -
What I thought was interesting was that the Ram was more aroused and had better response time when the ewes were varied. It tells me that monogamous sex is a BS construct imposed by women.
This is classic Coolidge Effect. Men are naturally hardwired for it, though most suppress their urge to confirm to social norms.
The Coolidge Effect is extremely important for a species survival and securing the passing down of genes from one generation to the next.0 -
Ok really porn is the source of all evil hmmmm? Yeah I don't think so. Don't get me wrong some men are addicted to it and when your hand takes the place of actual sex then thats an issue. But I know plenty of people who have a healthy relationship and watch porn. Alot of couples I know watch it together. Like alot of guys have said men like variety. If they are monogamous then let them have their porn. I know I have mine, not ashamed of it either. I also have no problem watching with a guy. But I also have no problem slipping on a wig or speaking in another language (spanish) just to keep it interesting and varied.
There used to be a game with porn were your would turn off the T.V. and fast forward then rewind ect then press play. Whatever they were doing on the screen you would do. The couple would take turns with the remote lol :bigsmile: -- Yeah I'm a freak lol0 -
There used to be a game with porn were your would turn off the T.V. and fast forward then rewind ect then press play. Whatever they were doing on the screen you would do. The couple would take turns with the remote lol :bigsmile: -- Yeah I'm a freak lol
That actually sounds like a pretty fun game, and could lead to some new and interesting experiences. Now to find the woman to play with.0 -
There used to be a game with porn were your would turn off the T.V. and fast forward then rewind ect then press play. Whatever they were doing on the screen you would do. The couple would take turns with the remote lol :bigsmile: -- Yeah I'm a freak lol
That actually sounds like a pretty fun game, and could lead to some new and interesting experiences. Now to find the woman to play with.
*raises hand* Pick me pick me! lol0 -
This... and also the analysis of this so called "control group" felt particularly unscientific, along the lines of "some guy told me that he - maybe - does not seem to have as many erection problems as before... and then there is this other guy who also said that he thinks he has been sleeping more lately."As for the science and research, the notion that those who quit watching porn are a control group for those who continue to watch, I think it is a BS proposition. This is known as sample selection bias. The group who quit watching are not a random subset of the population at large.
After having done my own research on the subject, I just think that monogamous relationships benefit the most to our current western-world human society. Institutions (church, state) have basically been guiding humans towards the most beneficial type of relationships for society (but clearly not necessary for individuals).But in NO way is monogamous sex a construct imposed by women. As IF women have held that much power in regulating society and sexuality. You can say it was imposed by religion, or more likely the old all powerful church/state....but hardly women.
The Coolidge effect is the source of all evil!Ok really porn is the source of all evil hmmmm? Yeah I don't think so.0
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