Running Tangents to decrease race time

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Runningirl7284
Runningirl7284 Posts: 274 Member
So, I ran a half marathon Sunday and my Garmin said I ran 13.22 miles. I ran an extra .12 mile as you and I both know that is atleast an extra minute to my time! The majority of my friends also ran longer times 13.19, 13.23, etc. however one guy that did really well said his Garmin put him pretty accurate at 13.13. SO obviously I do not have experience with running precise tangents, advice? How can I fix this going forward?? Thank You in advance!

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  • scottb81
    scottb81 Posts: 2,538 Member
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    Always run the inside curve. That's how they measure the course.

    You can't really practice it. During the race you have to look ahead and always be planning your move.
  • allday2
    allday2 Posts: 413 Member
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    I dont have one but I heard alot of people saying the same thing at my last race. The race director put out a statment saying that when the measure the course they do it from the inner most parts of the course. Kinda of like running on the inside lane on the track. Not sure if this is what you a refering to.

    Congrats on your run!
  • Runningirl7284
    Runningirl7284 Posts: 274 Member
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    Thanks yes I thought I was running the inside curves of the course but apparantly not good enough, it was an extremely curvy course all in and our of neighborhoods so I was constantly crossing streets. Just need to get it down to a science was shocked at how far extra I ran just from those extra few steps here and there
  • arc918
    arc918 Posts: 2,037 Member
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    you should always run the tangents

    you should also understand that GPS isn't as accurate as we like to think it is - awesome article on course measure & GPS below

    most courses will measure long on the GPS

    http://hamptonhalf.com/hamptonhalf-GPS.html
  • thebiggreenmachine
    thebiggreenmachine Posts: 66 Member
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    If you're in the mid to back of the pack of a decent sized race, running the tangents is next to impossible since you'll have to cut people off constantly. It also seems to be these people that complain the most that a course is long according to their watch or phone. Since I am usually near the front or at the front, running the tangents is fairly easy. The last half marathon I ran was certified and my watch was only off by .03, but people were complaining that it was way too long. A lot of people have no clue if a course is certified or not, they just assume that their GPS device is the end all be all.

    A few weeks ago, I just happened to compare the distances that my watches (Garmin 610 & 205) recorded on the certified courses I've run because I was curious about their accuracy. The distances ranged from 2 miles to a marathon. My Garmin 205 had 10 such races and my 610 has 6 races so far. Based on my results, the watches are very accurate. I was able to set up both watches to record my position every second which I assume would make them more accurate than those that only record your position every 2-5 seconds, or whatever the interval is. 9 of the 10 races with the 205 and 5 of the 6 races with the 610 were less than 1% off from the certified distance. The only two races outside of the 1%, but within 2%, were both 5k's. One of the 5k's was run in a downtown through a bunch of tall buildings which I'm sure had an affect on the signal strength at times. It was only .04 off, so if it was .01 closer it would've been within 1%.

    The overall average accuracy of the 205 was 99.24% and 99.48% for the 610. Based on the results of my watches on certified courses, I feel comfortable saying that if my watch is within 1% of the distance of a race on a course that isn't certified, that the course is most likely the distance as advertised. Although, I only count PR's on certified courses.
  • CarsonRuns
    CarsonRuns Posts: 3,039 Member
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    Also, even if your Garmin is 100% accurate AND you run perfect tangents, it will still measure long on a certified course. There is a margin of error that is built into the measurement to ensure that it is NEVER short.
  • Eat2Live2Run
    Eat2Live2Run Posts: 137 Member
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    you should always run the tangents

    you should also understand that GPS isn't as accurate as we like to think it is - awesome article on course measure & GPS below

    most courses will measure long on the GPS

    http://hamptonhalf.com/hamptonhalf-GPS.html

    ^ This. Run the tangents, but your GPS is always going to read long on a certified course.

    My last marathon my Garmin said 26.56. It seems like a cruel joke, but its just the way it is.
  • thebiggreenmachine
    thebiggreenmachine Posts: 66 Member
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    My Garmins have been short on 3 of 16 certified races. .01 short for a 5k, .03 for a 5 miler and .01 for a marathon. I'm not saying the courses were short, just the watch came up short.
  • CarsonRuns
    CarsonRuns Posts: 3,039 Member
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    My Garmins have been short on 3 of 16 certified races. .01 short for a 5k, .03 for a 5 miler and .01 for a marathon. I'm not saying the courses were short, just the watch came up short.

    Well, there is also the human element. A course can be measured perfectly, but if the RD doesn't set it up according to the layout that was measured, then the certification doesn't mean anything. Know what I'm sayin?
  • Runningirl7284
    Runningirl7284 Posts: 274 Member
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    Thank You for all the great info everyone! I appreciate it! :)