cannibal cop
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“Cannibal cop” Gilberto Valle is looking at the possibility of life in prison after a Manhattan federal jury found him guilty of conspiring to kidnap women, then cook, kill and eat them.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cannibal-faces-life-guilty-conspiracy-kidnap-illegal-databases-article-1.1286075#ixzz2NSyCYa00
basically he is a "Death Fetishist" and likes to fantasize about kidnapping, raping, murdering and eating young women. he has talked online about it with a few other online buddies. he has dozens of graphic murder scene pictures, pictures of women in torture poses and pictures of women that he knows all downloaded on his computer.
to this point he has only talked and fantasized about it. he did look up a few women at work that he had no reason to look up. and hes talked seemingly seriously about kidnapping and raping a woman he knows. but at this point he has not done anything.
he was convicted of 1. conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and 2. accessing a federal government computer database on may 31, 2012, without authorization.
to me, this is thought police stuff. they are trying to preempt a crime, when that is not the job of the courts or the police. i may be in the wrong. but this does not sit well with me. and by the way, neither does eating young women. i think the guy is a sicko.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cannibal-faces-life-guilty-conspiracy-kidnap-illegal-databases-article-1.1286075#ixzz2NSyCYa00
basically he is a "Death Fetishist" and likes to fantasize about kidnapping, raping, murdering and eating young women. he has talked online about it with a few other online buddies. he has dozens of graphic murder scene pictures, pictures of women in torture poses and pictures of women that he knows all downloaded on his computer.
to this point he has only talked and fantasized about it. he did look up a few women at work that he had no reason to look up. and hes talked seemingly seriously about kidnapping and raping a woman he knows. but at this point he has not done anything.
he was convicted of 1. conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and 2. accessing a federal government computer database on may 31, 2012, without authorization.
to me, this is thought police stuff. they are trying to preempt a crime, when that is not the job of the courts or the police. i may be in the wrong. but this does not sit well with me. and by the way, neither does eating young women. i think the guy is a sicko.
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We can't really know for sure or not if he would have or not, unless he gets out and actually goes through with it. Obviously his searches and communication were specific enough for the jury to think he was actively conspiring. What's missing from the article is if he had any kidnapping tools. If not, then I don't know how they could prove that he wasn't just role-playing.0
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The problem with this type of fascination is that it escalates. He certainly had the knowledge and background (as a cop) to carry out his fantasies. There was obviously more to this story that the jury got to see, that we did not. Whether it be substantial evidence or his demeanor in court. The jury saw something. He got convicted. I'm fine with it.
Personally, I believe he would have continued to escalate his behavior until he was caught. I'd put him down, if I came across him.0 -
i want to cook and eat him.0
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ok, but what if he was one of these guys that talks a good game but doesnt have the balls to play it out. he fantasizes and talks about it but is really just a piss-ant that would never do it in real life. so we lock up someone just for a fantasy. i know the guy is out there, and very scary, but isnt this thought police. he didnt do anything yet, its preemptive jailing. its like that movie with tom cruise.. isnt this a slippery slope..0
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I have no knowledge on this subject, so I'll just toss out questions:
did he possess ay images that were illegal to own? Some photographs (CP) are illegal to own by anyone ever.
what was he doing when he accessed a database that he had no right to touch? That was a crime, right?
Perhaps the punishment might be too severe, but it appears thathe did break the law, at least once.0 -
1. conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and 2. accessing a federal government computer database on may 31, 2012, without authorization.
Conspiracy to commit kidnapping requires a pretty real level of planning to be in place and his intent to execute has to be proven.
Illegal access of a gov't database is a legit crime.
If they can prove (1), I see no issues here.0 -
I see what you are saying, and share your concerns. If we replaced a less gruesome, more innocuous fantasy (say: dressing up as a clown) and applied that to all the factual evidence against him, I doubt things would have gone down the way they would have.ok, but what if he was one of these guys that talks a good game but doesnt have the balls to play it out. he fantasizes and talks about it but is really just a piss-ant that would never do it in real life. so we lock up someone just for a fantasy. i know the guy is out there, and very scary, but isnt this thought police. he didnt do anything yet, its preemptive jailing. its like that movie with tom cruise.. isnt this a slippery slope..
As you say, thoughts/fantasies are just that. Either we believe that or not. That doesn't mean someone who fantasizes about killing and eating women won't scare me more than someone who fantasizes about dressing up as a clown. But until either commits an illegal act, it's fantasy.
My initial reaction, was "of course, he conspired to kidnap, he accessed a federal computer without authorization" - those are ACTIONS that he was found guilty for. But the more I think about it, the more I believe that his grisly fantasies colored the jurors opinions, and likely got him a stiffer penalty.
The guy sounds pretty messed up, for sure. But it seems more a mental health issue than a criminal issue to me.0 -
1. conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and 2. accessing a federal government computer database on may 31, 2012, without authorization.
Conspiracy to commit kidnapping requires a pretty real level of planning to be in place and his intent to execute has to be proven.
Illegal access of a gov't database is a legit crime.
If they can prove (1), I see no issues here.
Yeah, you need a lot more than talking online about something to prove a conspiracy.0 -
Related story from article in OP: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/reasonable-doubt-overshadowed-cannibal-sickness-article-1.1286811
Terrible journalism, terrible writing. It's pretty bad, even for the NY Post, and even as an "opinion" piece (which it isn't clearly labeled). But the story does talk about the influence of the subject matter on the jurors.0 -
Related story from article in OP: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/reasonable-doubt-overshadowed-cannibal-sickness-article-1.1286811
Terrible journalism, terrible writing. It's pretty bad, even for the NY Post, and even as an "opinion" piece (which it isn't clearly labeled). But the story does talk about the influence of the subject matter on the jurors.
thanks for finding that.
i wish we had the info the jury had. i'll do some more research.0 -
heres an interesting npr interview that goes over the case:
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/14/174206738/cannibal-cop-case-the-line-between-fantasy-and-crime0
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