I just need a squat rack

islandgirl76_
islandgirl76_ Posts: 86 Member
Hi all!

I did crossfit for about 1 1/2 years, then took a break from heavy lifting for about 6 months while I ran a bunch of half marathons. Still not sure why I did that but I did.

I have been doing strength training with KB and DB since January of this year. I started SL 5x5 earlier this week and my gym does not have a squat rack (YET) so I did front squats. I am pretty comfortable with my form for front, back and OH squats but I just don't think I'll get too heavy with the front squats. I'm working on getting rid of the smith machine at my gym and replacing it with a squat rack. In the meantime, how shall I squat? Hack? Front? Any suggestions appreciated. I have bad knees from long distance running so I'm not going near the smith machine.

Also, the trainers at my gym want to get the squat rack and another olympic bar but they need ammo. Anyone have some research I can send them?

Thanks a bunch!!

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  • Does you gym have squat stands?
  • islandgirl76_
    islandgirl76_ Posts: 86 Member
    Nope. Just a bar on the floor. So anything you want to do you need to clean it first.
  • JamBlaze
    JamBlaze Posts: 90 Member
    I asked this question myself. After feedback from here and looking at the 5x5 site, this is what I went for:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/dumbbell-squat
  • I asked this question myself. After feedback from here and looking at the 5x5 site, this is what I went for:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/dumbbell-squat

    Those are actually deadlifts.

    OP, you are saying that you have a gym at your house?
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    The benefits of barbell squats are immense, and your gym should get rid of the Smith machine immediately, It ruins people's form, forces them into an unnatural movement pattern and creates more problems than it solves. Replace that thing with a squat rack, like, yesterday.

    When squatting you're moving a weight through space with your body, which has to adjust around that weight and balance it and exert effort to move it. That means you're using your entire body, and squats are as much of a core workout than they are a lower body workout. Barbell squatting mimics the way our bodies move naturally, and it works the same muscles and muscle groups, together, rather than isolate them. Nobody does anything out in the natural world using just a couple muscles a time. Our bodies are designed to move as a unit, with many muscle groups engaged together, and barbell training honors that.

    If anybody wants to front and back squat any kind of weight, really, you have to have a squat rack, because cleaning all that weight yourself is going to limit you immensely, and you're simply not going to get very strong. So either hire people as spotters, or just get a power cage/squat rack, because if your lack of equipment limits people's strength goals, they're going to just find another gym.

    Power cages also make bench presses much safer, which cuts down on the gym owner's liability because people can't drop weights on their chests or heads when they get too happy with the benching and bite off more than they can chew. Power cages are the way to go, really. Any gym should have at least one if not several of them.

    http://www.mensfitness.com/training/pro-tips/get-stronger-7-reasons-to-never-neglect-squats

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/461799-the-benefits-of-barbell-front-squats/

    http://www.myweightlifting.com/power-rack-training/

    http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2013/01/24/rage-against-the-machine-how-to-switch-from-exercise-machines-to-free-weights/
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    OP, if I were you, I would suggest to your gym owner that he (or she) read Starting Strength. The end of the book talks about equipment--how to shop for it, or build it.

    If you are only going to have one type of equipment for a free barbell, it should be a power cage, not a squat rack. You can do a lot more exercises in a power cage.
  • FluffyDogsRule
    FluffyDogsRule Posts: 366 Member
    i started with front squats, then switched to hack...they were fine for several weeks. then the weight got too heavy for my back...i hated them so much. i probably could have looked into form a bit, but like i said...i hated them.

    so now i'm back to front squats, doing ATG so i can do at a lower weight since power cleaning the bar up for fronts is only feasible to a certain point. i also added lunges and more deadlifts to compensate for the lack of "normal" squats.

    i workout at home...no squat rack.
  • islandgirl76_
    islandgirl76_ Posts: 86 Member
    Thank you to all who replied. I think I will stick with front squat for now (better than nothing) while I try to convince the gym they need a squat rack or power cage. It is a small gym (neighborhood/country club) but they are trying to be more like a "real" gym with better equipment and classes.

    Dani H - Thank you for the articles! I will read and forward to the gym management.
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    Dani H - Thank you for the articles! I will read and forward to the gym management.

    You're welcome. Power cages are a lot cheaper than Smith machines anyway, and much more functional. For what they spent on that Smith machine, they could probably have purchased several power cages, plus bars, plus plates, plus benches, plus dumbbells plus kettlebells, and etc., and kept a lot of people busy at the same time rather than with just one machine that only one person can use at a time.

    Of course what's done is done, but if your gym owner is serious about turning things into a "real" gym, then now is the time for them to think about what equipment to purchase, and with free-weight training undergoing quite the resurgence at the moment, it would probably be the way to go, rather than spend all that money on all those expensive machines that are so limiting in what you can do with them.

    Having said that, for pulling/rowing exercises, machines are probably the way to go (IMO) because rowing with barbells can get so darn awkward.

    If I was starting a gym, I'd buy me some classic free weight equipment and hire trainers that are experienced with barbell training and the classic lifts, and teach people what real strength is all about, the kind of strength that they can take out of the gym into their lives with them and actually use. But hey, that's just me. I'm biased like that. You don't need fancy schmancy; just time-honored stuff that has proven itself and that is always going to work, and work well. :smile:
  • Chipmunk222
    Chipmunk222 Posts: 240 Member
    I work out at home, but have to wait for my hubby to help me get the weights on my shoulders (no rack) and he is always too busy, he doesn't like the weights and is always complaining. Very unrealistic that he is going to foot the bill for a rack, but I keep hoping. I have been waiting all day for his help, as today is my lift day, and he is watching tv, it's almost midnight and he shows no inclination of helping....ugh!!!
  • islandgirl76_
    islandgirl76_ Posts: 86 Member
    I work out at home, but have to wait for my hubby to help me get the weights on my shoulders (no rack) and he is always too busy, he doesn't like the weights and is always complaining. Very unrealistic that he is going to foot the bill for a rack, but I keep hoping. I have been waiting all day for his help, as today is my lift day, and he is watching tv, it's almost midnight and he shows no inclination of helping....ugh!!!

    I too have considered the human rack. ;)
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    I work out at home, but have to wait for my hubby to help me get the weights on my shoulders (no rack) and he is always too busy, he doesn't like the weights and is always complaining. Very unrealistic that he is going to foot the bill for a rack, but I keep hoping. I have been waiting all day for his help, as today is my lift day, and he is watching tv, it's almost midnight and he shows no inclination of helping....ugh!!!

    I think VegasBaby used a couple trash cans for a "squat rack" or somesuch. I used to prop my bar on recycling bins when I first started. Who cares? At the lower weights, it doesn't really matter.

    If you're lifting from home, get creative. Pick something stable that you can lay the bar across, load it up with some weights, step under, and squat. People make their own home-baked squat stands all the time with 2x4s and whatnot. Just google it and see what you come up with, and discuss solutions with hubby that he can get on board with that aren't going to break the bank. Good luck!