Pull ups/chin ups

Calliope610
Calliope610 Posts: 3,783 Member
edited January 28 in Social Groups
I know that pull ups and chin ups are different exercises and aren't part of the SL5x5, but I have a question.

When I came home last night & told my couch potato husband (God love him) that I could bench 75lbs, he replied "yeah, but can you do a pull up?" To which I'm thinking, "I'm benching 75lbs, I can't possibly do a pull up my body weight of 205lbs!"

So my question is when were you able to do a pull up or chin up? And how did you start training for pull-ups and/or chin-ups?

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  • juliemouse83
    juliemouse83 Posts: 6,663 Member
    Oh...we're supposed to be doing those? :wink:

    I'm benching 75lbs, too, and I have 50 pounds of assistance bands that help me to a pull up. I can't do it without them, but my goal is to be able to do ONE unassisted pullup by summer's end. :smile:
  • Iron_Lotus
    Iron_Lotus Posts: 2,295 Member
    I am exactly the same weight as you are and benching a little more but I can't do either of those to save my life. My husband said the only way I will be able to do them is to do them. Even if I can't pull myself up engaging those muscles by trying will allow me to eventually do one.
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    Benching and pull-ups work different muscles, and if you want to do pull-ups, you're going to have to train them.

    The progression is usually from assisted to unassisted. I'm currently training those muscles back there by sitting on my bench and pulling my upper body towards my bar that's resting on my squat rack. I do like 10 reps of those for now. I figure it's the equivalent to training angled push-ups. Unfortunately I don't have access to a lat pulldown machine, but hey, you work with what you have.

    Having said that's there's really no reason you can't start training now.

    Here's a pretty lengthy, but helpful, article on it:
    http://www.bodytribe.com/2013/01/17/how-women-can-do-pull-ups/
  • ncl1313
    ncl1313 Posts: 237 Member
    Pshaw...so you can't do a pull-up yet. Big deal. 75 pounds on bench is awesome!!

    If I remember correctly, you belong to a gym. Check to see if there is a pull-up assist machine and start using that if you want. Or do some lat pull-downs. Or don't worry about it.
  • kts3639
    kts3639 Posts: 188 Member
    I am benching 85 lbs. and have yet to be able to do a pull up/chin up, but I'm getting there! I can lift myself up higher than I used to. I am using this "program" to build up to be able to do a pull up. It's super simple and really seems to be helping. The video is from the Scooby's Workshop site creator (Scooby himself). Hope this helps :flowerforyou:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRznU6pzez0
  • chunkmunk
    chunkmunk Posts: 221 Member
    :tongue: It's my understanding that the majority of women cannot do even a single unassisted pullup or chinup. So don't feel bad about not being able to do one!

    That said, however, there are ways to train so that you can eventually become one of those badass women who can do at least one. I'm currently using assistance bands and can't wait for the day when I can finally do one. And believe me, I will let all of you awesome ladies know about it!
  • carissar7
    carissar7 Posts: 183 Member
    When was the last time you tried? Are you sure you can't even do one? I was surprised at the last time I tried to do pull ups, I did 12. The last time I tried before that was 2 years ago and I could only do 1 or 2. I have an advantage because I pole dance and do aerial stuff (silks etc.) which works the back muscles a ton. Stronglifts helped me I'm sure but I highly doubt I would be able to do them without the other training I do. But like someone else said, the only way you really will get them is if you practice. Do assisted pull ups first, and go down with the weight each time you practice.
  • jstout365
    jstout365 Posts: 1,686 Member
    I was able to do an unassisted pull up after a few weeks of doing them assisted. Granted, I was 19, and required to do them 3-4 times a day at that point.

    This time around I wanted to start adding pullups back into the mix so I jumped up and grabbed the bar. I barely got one in January. I've been working on them by doing them. The gym has one of the counter weight pullup machines, but I find just getting up to the bar and pulling has helped me. I can now do 3x5 of them. I add them in at least once a week, usually coupled with a shoulder or back day.

    Pull ups are tough for many people and not everyone is built for them. Not built as in how much you weigh, but shoulders, back strength, arm length.....much like with the other lifts, certain people are built to do certain lifts more efficiently than others.

    I would say assistance bands like Julie (and many others) has would be a great way to start working on training for that movement. People also like negatives, where you jump up, hold and slowly bring yourself down.
  • Fittreelol
    Fittreelol Posts: 2,535 Member
    I weigh 194, bench 119, and can do 20+ toe push ups. The last time I did pull-ups I did 90 Pounds of resist (meaning I was pulling up 110lbs as I was fatter then). I did 5 reps. I also tweaked my shoulders a bit, because I'm an idiot and was thinking "it's the end of my workout, I should be fine just doing a set," and thus didn't do any warm-ups. Don't be an idiot like me even if it does give you a few weeks of super deadlift and squat days.
  • cleotherio
    cleotherio Posts: 712 Member
    Pull ups are tough for many people and not everyone is built for them. Not built as in how much you weigh, but shoulders, back strength, arm length.....much like with the other lifts, certain people are built to do certain lifts more efficiently than others.

    I would say assistance bands like Julie (and many others) has would be a great way to start working on training for that movement. People also like negatives, where you jump up, hold and slowly bring yourself down.

    I agree with this. I'm one of the people with an advantageous build, I think. I've always been able to do a couple, since I first tried in high school, and I was usually one of the only girls who could do any. This morning I did three unassisted, and that was right after OHP. The only time I can't pull myself up is when I'm over a certain body fat %. I started P90x last November, which has a TON of pullups. When I started, I could barely do one, but I knew I'd get over that hump knowing my past ability with them. I was doing them in my basement, so no assistance machine availalbe. I created my own assistance by putting one leg on the back of a chair and putting light pressure on it as I pulled myself up. As time went on, I could use less and less pressure and use my arms and back more to pull myself up.

    The only way to be able to do pullups is to practice doing pullups. Plus as you lose bodyfat, it also gets easier.
  • leahartmann
    leahartmann Posts: 415
    I have wanted to do pullups/chin ups since I started SL. I´m still a weakling, so I´m not able to yet, but I try to practice. My trainer told me to set the bar about halfways in the rack, sit on the floor and pull yourself up 4x10, with the legs supporting. When I can do that (I´m not there yet) I raise the bar higher- and so on, until I can do one.

    There probably are way easier ways, but that was how I was told to practise them.
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    I have wanted to do pullups/chin ups since I started SL. I´m still a weakling, so I´m not able to yet, but I try to practice. My trainer told me to set the bar about halfways in the rack, sit on the floor and pull yourself up 4x10, with the legs supporting. When I can do that (I´m not there yet) I raise the bar higher- and so on, until I can do one.

    There probably are way easier ways, but that was how I was told to practise them.

    It's really all just based on progressive loading, like Stronglifts. You continue to pull more and more weight until you're finally able to pull your body weight. All strength gains happen through progressive loading of either more reps, or more weight, or both.
  • HIITMe
    HIITMe Posts: 921 Member
    Ive recently changed from 5x5 to 3x5 so I have enough energy to do assisted pullups among other things....I progress with pretty much the same regularity as I do with stronglifts... its going better than I expected...
  • kirabob
    kirabob Posts: 481 Member
    Benching 105 here, and no pullups as of yet. But I am totally unashamed to get on those bars and do my little baby pulls - and every time I try I get a little farther. . .

    We have a pullup bar installed in our house, and I try to chin it several times a day - yesterday I got about 2 inches away from being able to look over the bar - it just takes time, like everything else! And, I'm learning, crazy core strength. Whoddathunk it?
  • Calliope610
    Calliope610 Posts: 3,783 Member
    Benching 105 here, and no pullups as of yet. But I am totally unashamed to get on those bars and do my little baby pulls - and every time I try I get a little farther. . .

    We have a pullup bar installed in our house, and I try to chin it several times a day - yesterday I got about 2 inches away from being able to look over the bar - it just takes time, like everything else! And, I'm learning, crazy core strength. Whoddathunk it?

    That's what I do - every visit to the gym, just 1 centimeter at a time, but I'll get there.
  • jstout365
    jstout365 Posts: 1,686 Member
    Benching 105 here, and no pullups as of yet. But I am totally unashamed to get on those bars and do my little baby pulls - and every time I try I get a little farther. . .

    We have a pullup bar installed in our house, and I try to chin it several times a day - yesterday I got about 2 inches away from being able to look over the bar - it just takes time, like everything else! And, I'm learning, crazy core strength. Whoddathunk it?

    I know I probably sound like a "crazy core" lady :laugh: , but if you really think about it, all the power moves tap into the core. The stronger the core, the stronger the lift. Even pull ups require it. :happy: :drinker:

    I need to have my kid make up a song about core strength. My guess it will have the word "CORE" repeated several times with no other words. :laugh: He is 4 years old after all.
  • cats847
    cats847 Posts: 131
    Your bench press ability has very little to do with your pull-up ability. Improving your bench will not assist you with pull-ups (however, as another commenter already pointed out, both movements use your core for stability).

    Bench pressing uses the pushing muscles (pectorals and triceps) while the pull-up uses the pulling muscles of your back and to some extent your biceps.

    Chin-ups are easier to do because they recruit help from the biceps a lot more. You might want to focus on completing chin-ups before moving on to pull-ups. I just recently was able to build up to a full chin-up after about 3 weeks of training like this:

    1. Grab the bar and hang on it with your chin over the bar for as long as you can (either jump upward or use a chair to get up there). This is a great isometric exercise and you will build strength fast. You can time yourself and push for a few more seconds each time you try it.

    2. You can also do negative reps, where you either jump up or use a chair to get your chin over the bar, and then slowly lower yourself back down.

    3. Another way is using a very low bar, with your body hanging at a 45 degree angle or so and your feet touching the ground -- as you pull yourself up, the bar should come to your chest (someone else had already mentioned this method).

    4. Bent-over rows are a very helpful exercise as well.

    I hope this will help!! Good luck
  • xidia
    xidia Posts: 606 Member
    I've been using the assistance machine and knocking 5kg a week off the assistance. I think that might be about to slow down! Resistance bands are preferable because they engage the core more - with the machine your knees are taking your weight onto the platform so you don't have to support the weight of your legs, so your core doesn't work as hard. However, resistance bands are expensive, and I can't currently afford them. When I can, I'll go back to the power rack and use the pull-up/chin-up handles there with my bands until I can do at least one unassisted.
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    I can do a set of 4 chin-ups with good form. I am 5'9" and weigh 148 lb, and I bench 110 for reps or 105 across sets (never tried a one rep max).

    The only SL exercise that prepares you for pull-ups or chin-ups semi-directly is rows. Maybe deadlifts are somewhat helpful.

    The way I worked up to a full pull-up was by practicing the pull-up on a pull-up bar. I did negatives (jump up to a pull-up position, slowly descend), and I did jump pull-ups, and then I tried to do the real thing. I ditched the assisted pull-up machine early on, and I didn't find the lat pull-down machine all that helpful--the most I could ever pull down was 85 lb, which is nowhere near the body weight I would have to pull.

    [edit] Since 4 reps is my current max, I just practice as many sets as I can, with breaks in between. Anywhere from 12 to 18 pull-ups or chin-ups per session, usually.
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