CF Love and Prayers for my niece

I finally got a commitment from her that she is going tonight. She needs CF inside and out... Probably more inside. She is terrified. She is 21 and over 300#. My coach said he would give her free unlimited classes in exchange for some marketing on her end (that's what she is going to school for).... So the excuse "I can't afford it" has been removed. Again...she is terrified. Please send up some prayers that she goes and gives it an honest commitment. I can not tell you how much she needs it not only for her physical health, but mentally as well. We all know what a huge boost CF is and how it is scalable to all... but she hasn't been able to overcome her fear yet.

And shout out to my amazing coach who is putting a person before the mighty dollar! He's a great guy!
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  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    Just get her in the door. If your coach and box are light the ones I've been in the rest will take care of itself. I've never been in a more supportive atmosphere that keeps you wanting to come back.
  • georgie304
    georgie304 Posts: 143
    I've been trying for a good 6 weeks to get her in the door. Really hoping she doesn't back out.
  • BrendarB
    BrendarB Posts: 2,770 Member
    you tell her it's going to be awesome - I started at around 270# around 37yrs old and love it! (and yes, I'm a shorty)
  • georgie304
    georgie304 Posts: 143
    I know she will love it if she can get past the fear. She just text me to confirm she's still on.

    I am so excited.... and nervous. She is so timid.

    But I know how empowering CF is! She needs this!
  • fakeittomakeit
    fakeittomakeit Posts: 48 Member
    I am sending good vibes!! Congrats to your niece for taking the plunge!! : )
  • momof2osaurus
    momof2osaurus Posts: 477 Member
    That's awesome. :) Happy thoughts for her!!
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    Just because you love Crossfit does not necessarily mean it will be an exercise environment your niece enjoys. You must be prepared for the possibility this approach may backfire and have a plan B for helping your niece get into a fitness program.

    Check your local papers, phone books and internet sources, gyms, fitness clubs, etc for organizations that help people that are severely obese to take better care of their health, and if your niece doesn't like Crossfit, please encourage her to check out those organizations.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    She's back, guess who's back?
  • georgie304
    georgie304 Posts: 143
    She's back, guess who's back?

    LOL, yes! I had a PM. I didn't even bother opening it.


    So... She loved it y'all! On the car ride over I told her what the WOD was, Cindy.

    I explained what the 20 AMRAP was and how it was perfect for her..it was simply done at her own pace...if she needed to shake out her arms after every pull up...go for it.

    Pull ups were scaled to ring rows
    Push ups were from a bar
    Squats were to a stack of plates

    I told her that every single workout will kill you..even if she does it for a year/no matter her fitness level b/c you push yourself to your limit each and every time. I told her that when everyone is done they drop and recoop...and that after 5 or 10 minutes she will feel amazing.

    AND SHE DID!

    PLUS.. after we were all able to breath again... I showed her and the other newer girl another way of scaling pull ups without the rings... They told me to move over so they could try it... So she was even asking for more after her 1st workout. I am so proud of her!

    She was very excited and asked when she could come back again.

    Thanks for the prayers and support everyone.
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
    That is so awesome! Congratulations to you and especially her!
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    I am really sorry to hear things went that way. Your niece would have been so much better off if she had decided Crossfit wasn't for her and instead joined a weight loss fitness group that was more appropriate for her weight and skill level.

    It is NOT necessary to work out so hard that you feel like you are going to die in order to get results -- especially if you are new to exercise. In fact exercising that hard when you are overweight and new to exercise can be downright dangerous! Did you ask your niece to talk to her doctor about Crossfit before you signed her up to make sure her body could deal with that kind of stress? If not, she should talk to her doctor before she goes back.

    http://www.sparkpeople.com/blog/blog.asp?post=stop_exercising_so_hard_why_moderate_workouts_really_do_work

    "Have you noticed how intense workout programs have become in recent years? The top-selling fitness DVDs are by "America's Toughest Trainer" Jillian Michaels (think 30 Day Shred) and also include P90X and Insanity (advertised as "the hardest fitness program ever put on DVD"). Even Crossfit, which combines gymnastics, power lifting, and plyometrics and was originally used by athletes, firefighters, and soldiers, is gaining popularity among unfit beginners and housewives alike. The ever-popular "Biggest Loser" TV series also depicts people exercising to the point of injury, hospitalization, and vomiting.
    As a certified fitness professional, I can tell you for a fact that it is both unsafe and very risky for the average Joe (or Jane) to jump into high intensity exercise when just starting a fitness routine. Yet workout programs like these aren't marketed to regular exercisers who want to take their fitness to the next level. They target people who are overweight and obese, out of shape, and/or not already exercising consistently. To go from sitting on the couch to performing high intensity exercise is contraindicated by all reputable fitness organizations, including ACE (American Council on Exercise), ACSM (American College of Sports Medicine), AFAA (Aerobics and Fitness Association of America), NSCA (National Strength and Conditioning Association), The Cooper Institute and more. All reputable fitness organizations say that one must start small with lighter and shorter workouts and then very gradually build up their fitness level before attempting the types of workouts I see being sold to beginners every day."

    I did some modified Crossfit type workouts with some people that were having a class in a regular gym (not a Crossfit box) but when I checked out the local Crossfit box, I soon saw it was not the kind of environment I wanted to exercise in. There was far too much focus on competition and seeing how tough you could be and bloody blisters and injuries were seen as a badge of honor.

    I will continue to pray for your niece to find the best fitness and weight loss group for her, because after the newness of Crossfit wears off and she find out how much soreness she will have to suffer through after every workout, I really doubt if she will want to stick with it long term.
  • georgie304
    georgie304 Posts: 143
    LOL. Too funny.

    Thanks everyone for the support.
  • happyheathen927
    happyheathen927 Posts: 167 Member
    That's AWESOME! I'm thrilled for her!
  • happyheathen927
    happyheathen927 Posts: 167 Member
    CindyC60....you do realize you're in the CROSSFIT LOVE group, right? lmao
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    Didn't you people read that article about how dangerous it is for someone that is obese and hasn't been exercising to jump right into a high intensity workout like Crossfit?

    Georgie304, I do realize you are trying to help your niece, but you are putting that girl's life in danger by asking her to do a high intensity workout like that when she doesn't have a good base of physical fitness to start with.

    It doesn't matter if she was going into Crossfit or boot camp or HITT or Insanity or something else at that intensity level -- MEDICAL AND FITNESS EXPERTS ARE WARNING PEOPLE IT'S NOT SAFE FOR ANYONE THAT ISN'T ALREADY FIT TO JUST JUMP INTO SOMETHING THAT INTENSE!

    If you love Crossfit, fine. Go at it. But your niece is just getting started with exercise and isn't ready for something that intense. She probably just went to make you happy.

    Crossfit will be there if and when your niece is ready for something that intense, but that time isn't now!

    Did you ask your niece to talk to her doctor about it first? Most responsible trainers would require a doctor's approval before accepting an overweight person that is just getting into exercising into a program as intense as Crossfit.
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
    It's called scaling. I'll agree that if your CF box and trainers don't help her scale appropriately, then she can have problems.

    I started CF at 230 pounds and had been sedentary. My box has a guy that went from close to 400 pounds down to 200 pounds. My husband started at 270 pounds. My box has a guy who is 71 and a woman who is 63. All of us scale to what we can do. For some that's walking 100 meters instead of running 400 meters. Lifting a PVC pipe only and focusing on form, and not using weights. Squatting to a stack of plates vs full air squats. Based on the examples given, it sounds like your box focused on appropriate movements for what she could do, and that's great.

    Personally, I'm not big on prayer, but if I were, it would be that your niece is able to find an exercise program and encouraging environment that helps her become healthy - and sounds like she already has.

    I would also pray that certain individuals stop with their strange obsession / need to save people from Crossfit. Seriously - get a life.
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    Even if the coach is good at helping your niece scale, if she is exhausted and out of breath at the end of the workout, as you indicated she was, IT STILL COULD BE TOO INTENSE OF AN EXERCISE ROUTINE TO BE SAFE. While some people can take the Crossfit route from being obese to fit, that doesn't make it the safest or best route for everyone. What one person's body may be able to tolerate will cause another to have a heart attack or other medical emergency brought on by too much exertion when they are not used to it.

    Instead of pushing for your niece to do what you want and you love, why not encourage her to find her own path to fitness?

    If I knew someone in a similar situation, I would encourage them to look for a moderate exercise and nutrition advice program that is specially designed for people dealing with weight issues. Those kind of groups have the advantage of being able to help members deal with the emotional issues that cause many people to over eat and gain weight. Unfortunately, Crossfit has nothing at all to offer in that department.

    And even then, she should have a doctor's approval before she starts a new exercise program.
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
    I will pray that you get the help that you need for your unhealthy obsession.
  • momof2osaurus
    momof2osaurus Posts: 477 Member
    I'm so glad that she loved it!! :-D
  • GiddyupTim
    GiddyupTim Posts: 2,819 Member
    ^ Me too. I'm glad she loved it.
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    Getting through a Crossfit workout can give you momentary feelings of joy and exhilaration because you survived it. That's just the endorphin high talking.

    That doesn't mean it was safe for a person of her size that's new to fitness to attempt such an intense workout.

    Hopefully, that one experience of getting an endorphin high won't be enough to make her want to keep coming back to Crossfit instead of taking a more safe and reasonable approach to exercise for a person that's large and new to exercise.

    Anyway, when your niece experiences the extreme soreness of DOMS a day or two later, I doubt if she will be so thrilled with the idea of being involved with Crossfit.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    Didn't you people read that article about how dangerous it is for someone that is obese and hasn't been exercising to jump right into a high intensity workout like Crossfit?

    Georgie304, I do realize you are trying to help your niece, but you are putting that girl's life in danger by asking her to do a high intensity workout like that when she doesn't have a good base of physical fitness to start with.

    It doesn't matter if she was going into Crossfit or boot camp or HITT or Insanity or something else at that intensity level -- MEDICAL AND FITNESS EXPERTS ARE WARNING PEOPLE IT'S NOT SAFE FOR ANYONE THAT ISN'T ALREADY FIT TO JUST JUMP INTO SOMETHING THAT INTENSE!

    If you love Crossfit, fine. Go at it. But your niece is just getting started with exercise and isn't ready for something that intense. She probably just went to make you happy.

    Crossfit will be there if and when your niece is ready for something that intense, but that time isn't now!

    Did you ask your niece to talk to her doctor about it first? Most responsible trainers would require a doctor's approval before accepting an overweight person that is just getting into exercising into a program as intense as Crossfit.

    Your ignorance is staggering. Please go obsess somewhere else.

    Don't you have a job or something productive you need to do? Do you really have the free time to be creating multiple aliases to come back and post the same old weak-*kitten* drivel to people who don't want to hear it?

    Your a loser who has never challenged herself physically in her entire life. We get it. The rest of us do enjoy challenging ourselves and pushing our limits. That's our business, not yours.

    Go do some tai chi and leave us the hell alone, please.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    She's back, guess who's back?

    LOL, yes! I had a PM. I didn't even bother opening it.


    So... She loved it y'all! On the car ride over I told her what the WOD was, Cindy.

    I explained what the 20 AMRAP was and how it was perfect for her..it was simply done at her own pace...if she needed to shake out her arms after every pull up...go for it.

    Pull ups were scaled to ring rows
    Push ups were from a bar
    Squats were to a stack of plates

    I told her that every single workout will kill you..even if she does it for a year/no matter her fitness level b/c you push yourself to your limit each and every time. I told her that when everyone is done they drop and recoop...and that after 5 or 10 minutes she will feel amazing.

    AND SHE DID!

    PLUS.. after we were all able to breath again... I showed her and the other newer girl another way of scaling pull ups without the rings... They told me to move over so they could try it... So she was even asking for more after her 1st workout. I am so proud of her!

    She was very excited and asked when she could come back again.

    Thanks for the prayers and support everyone.

    I was only half-serious but I guess I called that right? :)

    Glad she enjoyed it. A good box with good coaches really is the key, and it sounds like you have it. I hope she sticks with it and ramps herself up slowly. Push hard, make sure she drinks a TON of water. She's going to be sweating like she hasn't done in a long, long time if she is anything like me :)
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    Getting through a Crossfit workout can give you momentary feelings of joy and exhilaration because you survived it. That's just the endorphin high talking.

    That doesn't mean it was safe for a person of her size that's new to fitness to attempt such an intense workout.

    Hopefully, that one experience of getting an endorphin high won't be enough to make her want to keep coming back to Crossfit instead of taking a more safe and reasonable approach to exercise for a person that's large and new to exercise.

    Anyway, when your niece experiences the extreme soreness of DOMS a day or two later, I doubt if she will be so thrilled with the idea of being involved with Crossfit.

    Oh no, not DOMS. God forbid we want bigger and stronger muscles!

    You are a joke.
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    You people have no idea of who I am or what I do.

    But that isn't the point.

    The point is that taking a large person that isn't used to exercising and putting them in an intense workout is SCIENTIFICALLY and MEDICALLY KNOWN TO BE DANGEROUS! It can cause a heart attack and many other problems.

    See

    http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/exercising-dangers-obese-people-3908.html

    "Exercising Dangers for Obese People
    by Brenna Davis

    Obesity poses major health risks including joint problems, heart attack, stroke and early morbidity. While exercise is key to shedding weight and reducing obesity, it can also pose some risks to the severely obese. This doesn't mean you shouldn't exercise because the risks of remaining obese typically outweigh the risks of exercise. However, you should consult your doctor before beginning a new fitness routine to ensure that you are healthy enough to exercise. Take it slow for the first few weeks and ask your doctor if there are any specific precautions you should take.

    Cardiac Episodes

    Cardiovascular exercise raises the heart rate, providing the heart muscle with exercise that can strengthen it over time. However, if your heart rate goes too high, cardiovascular exercise can provoke a heart attack and other cardiac episodes such as stroke and arrhythmia. While anyone can have a cardiac episode while exercising, the obese are at an increased risk. Obese people tend to have higher blood pressure, weaker hearts and poor circulation, both of which can increase their risk of cardiac episodes. Ask your doctor about your target maximum heart rate; this is the rate that your heart should not exceed during physical exercise. For most people, this rate is 220 minus your age, but your target rate may differ depending upon your level of obesity and your overall health.

    Respiratory Problems

    Exercise requires you to breathe more rapidly, and people unaccustomed to exercising may end up hyperventilating instead. Cardiac problems such as high blood pressure or poor circulation -- to which obese people are prone -- may also make breathing more difficult. If you have trouble catching your breath, slow down and focus on taking slow, deep breaths. Do not sit down, as this can actually cause your heart rate to temporarily spike and make breathing more difficult. Instead, stand or walk in place while drinking water.

    Joint Injury

    Excess weight places additional stress on joints, and obese people are more likely to suffer from joint problems, including arthritis. Some exercises, such as running, are stressful to the joints. In extreme cases, pressure on your joints can cause them to break, can cause muscle sprains or strains and can exacerbate old injuries."

    If your niece passes out on the floor from pushing too hard and you have to call the ambulance the next time you think it's so great to take her to Crossfit, you'll see how funny it's NOT!

    I've seen plenty of people that were formerly obese get fit and lose weight without nearly killing them self in every workout. MODERATION and consistency is the key to success -- NOT trying to push until you can't stand up every time you hit the gym.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    You'd be less transparent if you used different links instead of the same one across usernames.

    We know you don't like Crossfit. And we know you keep creating new userIDs to log into the CROSSFIT LOVE group after your old ones get banned.

    The point is that we all heard your drivel the first time. And the second time. And now the third time. We don't agree. So go away and kindly leave us alone to do our thing.
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    You'd be less transparent if you used different links instead of the same one across usernames.

    We know you don't like Crossfit. And we know you keep creating new userIDs to log into the CROSSFIT LOVE group after your old ones get banned.

    The point is that we all heard your drivel the first time. And the second time. And now the third time. We don't agree. So go away and kindly leave us alone to do our thing.

    If your "thing" is congratulating people for pushing a poor overweight girl that hasn't been exercising into doing Crossfit, you are being extremely irresponsible! If you already have a good fitness base and want to do Crossfit, fine. But Crossfit could kill someone that is overweight and not used to that intensity of exercise.
  • happyheathen927
    happyheathen927 Posts: 167 Member
    Didn't kill me. I was 42, diabetic, obese and sedentary when I started, and my coaches scaled EVERYTHING for me. I was still sore and exhausted after every workout, because even though everything was appropriately scaled, I WAS WORKING HARD. And you know what? Working hard and being successful gave me so much confidence that I've stayed with it. And I'm still obese (18 lbs. until I'm officially just "overweight" ... yay me!), still 42 and still diabetic, but my bG is better controlled than ever and I'm sure as hell not sedentary anymore. My coaches still scale a lot of things for me, and that's okay. I'm improving every week. Now I have GOALS that I'm working toward that have little-to-nothing to do with my weight and everything to do with my health and physical abilities.

    My doctor was THRILLED when, as an obese, aging, diabetic woman, I told him I was starting CrossFit.
  • CindyC60
    CindyC60 Posts: 30
    The health situation you had is not the same as everyone else's.

    Some people's health improves with vigorous exercise, while the same exercise routine can be dangerous or even deadly for others.

    Anyone that is obese and/or has health concerns should ALWAYS consult their doctor before starting any kind of an intense exercise exercise program -- whether it's Crossfit, running, or anything else.

    Just because you got by with being diabetic, obese and sedentary when you started Crossfit doesn't make this the best approach. Most doctors would prefer their patients start gradually with a more moderate exercise program that didn't leave them exhausted and out of breath and work up to something that intense if that sort of an exercise program was their goal.
  • happyheathen927
    happyheathen927 Posts: 167 Member
    You're absolutely right...my situation isn't the same as everyone else's. It was a lot worse than most people who pick up and decide to start Crossfit. You COMPLETELY missed the point, which was that my coaches SCALED EVERYTHING TO WHAT I COULD SAFELY DO. That still left me spent, because I was working really, really hard for the first time in a long time. That's how we get stronger, by pushing boundaries.

    You don't get to decide what the best approach is, for me, or for OP's niece. You know who else doesn't get to decide? "Most doctors." My doctor didn't get to decide for me either. I didn't "consult with him" or ask his permission, I told him what I was doing and he was SUPPORTIVE. Because intense physical activity is GOOD FOR YOU.

    Turns out I NEED that kind of intensity, to keep me interested. I really, really like pushing myself. It's good for me physically, emotionally and mentally. Lots and lots of people feel the same way and thrive on it.

    I have to ask: do you think that CrossFit is appropriate for anybody? If not, why in the world are you posting in the CrossFit Love group?