Confession time

lwoodroff
lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
edited January 31 in Social Groups
Ok ladies, I know this is a safe space..

I realised that I've put on over half a stone (7lb+) since my lowest point. This has fluctuated but over the last 3 months has really been creeping on. there are a few things contributing - a total lack of cardio since March, only stronglifts, eating more, etc.

However today I realised that my trousers were getting a leeetle tight to do up.
And my thinking about eating is becoming very irrational - I might start the day with a good plan of action, but a couple of things tip it (eg today a colleague brought in spare coleslaw which I ate before logging, and then realised I'd eaten 350cals of coleslaw!!, then the huz texted to say he was bringing something different home for dinner - turns out to be M&S tapas stuff...) - and my reaction seems to be to throw my hands in the air and my face in the biscuit barrel.

*sigh*

Add to that we are going to friends on Friday night for dinner and in a week going away on holiday, and I seem to have acquired a f-it-all attitude which isn't helping anyone, let alone me!

I know that I should just make good choices for now, but I don't wanna and it's HARD.

I did say to the huz yesterday that I was going to be focused etc - don't think he meant to derail me today but anyway...!

So, this was really just getting it off my ample chest, I don't think you'll have any advice other than 'JFDI' but y'all keep me honest, yo! :)

Thanks for listening!!

Lydia x

tl;dr

I'm a piggy and it's showing, and I need to woman up and sort myself out! You all rock :)
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  • belle_of_the_bar
    belle_of_the_bar Posts: 474 Member
    I will do my best to keep you honest and not compliment you on the yumminess of your diary. : ) Haha... It's easy to loosen up on the food choices, because, lets be honest, most of the stuff that's less than good for you tastes AMAZING! But we all know you can do it. Start with smaller portions, then try choosing different foods. Anyway, I'm here if you need to gripe about the tough times, and I know you'll be down a stone before you know it.

    And I love you for saying ya'll. : )
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    Ha ha in my British Surrey accent!
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    What are your current goals? Weight maintenance, building strength, fat loss, recomp?
  • BikerGirlElaine
    BikerGirlElaine Posts: 1,631 Member
    Hi Lydia,

    I'm sorry that things aren't going the way you want on the food front.

    How can we best support you? Do you want any suggestions about your food? Or do you more want to just say out loud what you are doing and get emotional support?

    Elaine
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    Thanks ladies,

    Elaine I was just getting it out to be more accountable, as on my own I don't always do well. I -know- this stuff, just need to do it lol!

    Bumble, I loathe steady state cardio so avoiding too much of that while being strong, I guess body recomp is a good way of putting it, I'm much more bothered about being strong and healthy than anything the scale says, but I don't need a marshmallow tummy (or at least not quite so marshmallowy!) :)
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    Thanks ladies,

    Elaine I was just getting it out to be more accountable, as on my own I don't always do well. I -know- this stuff, just need to do it lol!

    Bumble, I loathe steady state cardio so avoiding too much of that while being strong, I guess body recomp is a good way of putting it, I'm much more bothered about being strong and healthy than anything the scale says, but I don't need a marshmallow tummy (or at least not quite so marshmallowy!) :)

    Well, I know you know this already--you don't need cardio to lose fat, you just need a caloric deficit :) I know you're at maintenance (as per profile), but perhaps tracking more regularly wouldn't be a bad idea? I have been maintaining for the past few months but still track everything, if only to ensure I am eating enough and to keep an eye on my macros. I tend to under-eat when I stop paying attention, and then my lifting suffers...
  • BikerGirlElaine
    BikerGirlElaine Posts: 1,631 Member
    Yeah, I know you know it -- 'cause after all you *have* lost your weight and are in maintenance!!

    So what is your plan to get things headed in the right direction?
  • Will_Thrust_For_Candy
    Will_Thrust_For_Candy Posts: 6,109 Member
    I'm with you lady! July has been a write off.....traveling and then my body revolting because I did too much for too long without enough fuel. My new boy toy has invited me to the gym and I told him not until I de-fluff from this fluffing period lol luckily he is a bodybuilder and knows what I'm talkibg about lol

    My plan is to start my cut on Tuesday again. Given that I'M in Toronto until friday night and then long weekend here in Canada.....I feel its the best plan. I'm going to dial te diet in hard, train for my run, lift 2 days and hopefully that willbget the ball rolling! Lets do it together :smile:
  • chubby_checkers
    chubby_checkers Posts: 2,352 Member
    Hopefully, one more in the same boat won't make it sink.

    My wedding dress was delivered two weeks ago and I just opened it yesterday. I unhappy cried when I tried it on. It fits, but looks like someone wrapped two pigs in an ivory sheet. I'm uncomfortable and unexcited about the whole ordeal (and starting to stress because, other than the dress, literally nothing else is planned).

    Regardless of personal struggles, you ladies are a huge inspiration. I can praise and/or chastise as needed.
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    Ah cc. I know you can do it. When is the wedding?

    Have brought tape measure upstairs, will take some measurements in the morning and go from there. You are right, lack of focus doesn't help!

    Thanks again :-)
  • Fittreelol
    Fittreelol Posts: 2,535 Member
    The only thing that got me to really buckle down and not be a slacker on nutrition was deciding to compete in a PL meet and knowing that I would do way better if I went down a weight class or two. So clearly you need to compete! :wink:
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    Feh. I've put on weight since my mom passed and everything is tight now. It's such BS. Sigh. I'm tired of looking like I'm pregnant without actually having a kid in there to show for after all this time. I'm either going to give birth or take the belly fluff off another way. And since I'm not pregnant ... the fluff has to come off. Period.

    So I started tracking cals again and ramped up the cardio by way of our elliptical cause I'm not quitting lifting. But the water retention and bloat is making me want to cry silently into my nonexistent beer.

    Anyhoo ... move over in that boat of yours and make room for one more. I really don't know what to do except at least loosely track calories and keep moving.

    I'm getting much better about not eating my feelings. That helps. A lot.

    I'm with Fit about setting goals that involve something other than scale numbers.

    I'm determined to do a C25K program in the fall and want to sign up for a local color run in March of next year. I think it's important to set fitness goals so my life doesn't start revolving again about the almighty scale that just sits there and mocks me anyway. That didn't work for me for the last 20 years of my life and so it's not going to work now, and I just have to put it out of my mind for good.

    From what I hear maintenance is harder than losing. You just need to find a happy balance between loosely tracking calories and keeping up your fitness level and setting fitness goals to make sure you never run out of pursuing healthy things for yourself.
  • zanyzana
    zanyzana Posts: 248 Member
    Ok ladies, I know this is a safe space..

    I realised that I've put on over half a stone (7lb+) since my lowest point. This has fluctuated but over the last 3 months has really been creeping on. there are a few things contributing - a total lack of cardio since March, only stronglifts, eating more, etc.

    However today I realised that my trousers were getting a leeetle tight to do up.
    And my thinking about eating is becoming very irrational - I might start the day with a good plan of action, but a couple of things tip it (eg today a colleague brought in spare coleslaw which I ate before logging, and then realised I'd eaten 350cals of coleslaw!!, then the huz texted to say he was bringing something different home for dinner - turns out to be M&S tapas stuff...) - and my reaction seems to be to throw my hands in the air and my face in the biscuit barrel.

    *sigh*

    Add to that we are going to friends on Friday night for dinner and in a week going away on holiday, and I seem to have acquired a f-it-all attitude which isn't helping anyone, let alone me!

    I know that I should just make good choices for now, but I don't wanna and it's HARD.

    I did say to the huz yesterday that I was going to be focused etc - don't think he meant to derail me today but anyway...!

    So, this was really just getting it off my ample chest, I don't think you'll have any advice other than 'JFDI' but y'all keep me honest, yo! :)

    Thanks for listening!!

    Lydia x

    tl;dr

    I'm a piggy and it's showing, and I need to woman up and sort myself out! You all rock :)

    Oh dear... You have spied at my scales, haven't you? Actually, I'm up 5 kg from my preferred weight and my smallest jeans, they are beyond contemplating getting over my hips. I just like to eat. It's so easy to gain and so difficult to get your head back into reducing portion sizes, measuring, tracking etc after 2 or 3 years of focusing on reducing.

    I'm pretty good at tracking what I eat, just not so good at keeping my consumption under what I burn! I love the food. And it's winter here - stodgy food is comfort food!!

    Well, let's just help each other out of boombah phase and get down to where we're happy to eat AND wear the jeans! Goodbye to sugarplum (my tummy) and hello to abs (bahahaha! I never had those things on display!)
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    thanks ladies
    I have so many things to be grateful for:
    a husband who loves me no matter what size I am, and listens to me gripe and is helpful doing my measurements before he went to work.. - and is a fab dad!
    two gorgeous girls who eat until they are full only (mostly!), who currently have no body image issues and for whom food is neither a comfort nor a reward
    a brilliant community on here! I'd never wash all my angst on facebook :)
    I've done pretty darn well, and have a great body -anyway- (if I keep saying this I might start believing it a bit more huh?!)
    I can always start from where I am...

    so, where am I? Line in the sand time...

    Lydia stats 1 August 2013
    182.6 lbs (this is about where I was November 2011!)
    25.5 bmi
    38.4% fat
    40% water
    35.8% muscle
    under bust 92cm
    bust 104cm
    waist 86.5cm
    navel 95cm
    hips 103.5cm
    l thigh 59cm
    r thigh 60.5cm
    l calf 37cm
    r calf 37cm
    l bicep 31.5cm
    r bicep 30.5cm

    I've never really taken measurements before! I did it once and only for one of those fat calculators.

    some photos..
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    got my 6 year old to take this!
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    The plan..
    well, I don't really care what the scale says as long as my clothes fit nicely and I feel fit and strong. I feel neither at the moment after my deload, and dropping cardio. I'm wondering about dropping to two strength sessions a week (maybe cramming all the lifts in??) and one cardio - but not steady state, circuits maybe??

    I know food is the biggest element, so.. I've got a week before we go on holiday to try and be more selfish about food (ie turn the huz down when he wants a biscuit but only if I do too!), and more disciplined about logging. I started the morning.. I've got the girls for the day as holiday club was full, so we are going to Waddesdon Manor to play and explore :)

    And while I'm not looking to drop a dress size or anything like that, I'd like to be a comfortable 12 (bottoms) and 14 (top) (UK sizes!!). So those hips and navel sizes need to come down a wee bit.

    I agree too I need a fitness target.. any suggestions?

    Thanks all you lovelies!
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    Lydia, you must be really tall! I am 5'9" and my butt looked much bigger when it was 40"/103 cm. Anyway, whatever extra weight you have, you carry it quite well.

    Goals... I based my goals on this lovely screed (replace * with "u" in link below):

    http://www.leangains.com/2011/09/f*ckarounditis.html

    Berkhan says, "For women in the 115-155-lb range, the corresponding advanced strength goals are 0.9 x body weight bench, 1.1 x body weight chin-up, 1.5 x body weight squat and 1.8 x body weight deadlift."

    The nice thing about this way of setting your goals is if you weigh more, you have to lift more in absolute terms, so it is a small incentive to keep your weight in check. But a word of warning: some of these goals might take a long time to get to for taller women, since we are working with disadvantageous mechanics. Power lifters tend to be short because it is a weight class sport--so if you weigh 148 and are 5'2", of course you will pull more than a 5'10" person who weighs the same. You have more muscle mass and are moving the weight over a shorter distance. It's basic physics:

    http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/video/roundtable_tall_athletes

    Btw, in case you are wondering about that vid--Rip is 5'8" :)

    P.S. Duh, I solved for x and figured out your height is 5'11".
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    ha yes I'm just over 5'11" so impressd with your maths!! which is partly why I got to 16st in the first place.. makes it too easy to be complacent!

    so.. maths NOT being my strong point.. what should I be aiming for in terms of minimum lifts? :)
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    ha yes I'm just over 5'11" so impressd with your maths!! which is partly why I got to 16st in the first place.. makes it too easy to be complacent!

    so.. maths NOT being my strong point.. what should I be aiming for in terms of minimum lifts? :)

    It was easy, since I knew your current weight and BMI :)

    Berkhan's numbers would give you:

    0.9 x body weight bench: 165 lb
    1.1 x body weight chin-up: chin up with 15-20 lb on your belt
    1.5 x body weight squat: 275 lb
    1.8 x body weight deadlift: 330 lb

    Now, this does not take into account that you are a lot taller than the women he is talking about (probably 5'4", the "average" height). So revise these downward by maybe 10-20% of total lift weight. I am not great shakes at mechanical physics anymore, but I would imagine there is a big loss in efficiency with increased height. And he qualifies this with "women who have been training consistently for 5-10 years". That's a long term goal, in other words.

    If you think of this as a 5 year plan, take your current lifts and subtract them from these goals and then divide the difference by 5. Possibly rescale to expect bigger gains early on, as they cannot be expected to increase in a linear fashion over the 5 years.
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    wow! yes, I've heard height should be an advantage for deadlift.. but that's about it.

    165lbs is 75kg, haven't even broken 40kg yet! Will need some more help I think from a PT to get my form better.. am working back up though.
    chin ups.. yeah.. I've been having a go on the counterbalance machine, still about 35kg away from doing a single chinup without assistance! one to add in to working properly I think.
    squat I got to 57.5kg before I went on holiday (NEARLY 60!), 125kg looks a long way away.
    deadlift I've done a single rep at 90kg before (198lb) but def need to work on form as I build back up, 150kg seems a long way off!

    ok, the lesson from that is.. er.. I've a way to go before being a BAMF but plenty to work on lol! However strength training is not the purpose of my life, I work almost full time, have kids and hubby and house and everything else to fit in, so maybe 50% of these numbers is a good first objective!
    ETA I realise I'm already nearly at 50% woohoo so 75% then, something to shoot for over a couple of years that is more manageable!
    ETA (again!) it's hot, my brain isn't working.. ok current lifts taken off those numbers is.. er..

    squat 70kg div by 5 = 14kg (you're saying that should be the idea, to add 14kg over a year?)
    dead is more like 60kg currently so 90 div by 5 = 18 that is doable I'm sure
    bench 40 div by 5 = 8, again sounds doable. woo!
    thanks :)
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    Height is an advantage for DL only if your arms are long and your legs aren't, I think. You do have to lift the bar higher than someone who is short, because taller people generally tend to be proportioned differently, with longer limbs. I could actually tell you were very tall from just looking at your pics, even before I figured out your height.

    In general, height is an advantage in running, jumping, skiing, that sort of thing. Basketball and volleyball, to be sure. It will not stop you from being a good swimmer, either. But I've had too many boyfriends who were north of 6'3" and could not do a single pull-up to think that's an accident. So scale your goals downward, but it is important to have specific goals.
  • BikerGirlElaine
    BikerGirlElaine Posts: 1,631 Member
    Lydia, I love that you are sharing your process with us. I think it really gives us a road map of how to set goals that keep us improving and not stagnating.

    And Bumble, those links are awesome! I will prolly spend some time there myself a little later on. I would like to figure out how to set goals that are appropriate for me, because apparently I am never going to be rock-star strong.

    Dani, I also want to try to do the C25K this fall. I like the goal of signing up to run a 5K next spring! I won't do it myself I don't think, though. My love is always going to be getting stronger-stronger-stronger, and if running takes away from that I'll drop the running.

    And for the others who chimed in about wanting to drop some fat, I know that you can do it!
  • inkysmurf
    inkysmurf Posts: 168
    Hello - just want to pop in and say hello and add my support.
    x
  • Songbirdcw
    Songbirdcw Posts: 320 Member
    I'm so glad that you posted this Lydia. I have allowed a few lbs to creep back on during maintenance as well. Also, I was only doing Stronglifts and no cardio either (maybe some HIIT in between). I think I've been a little too liberal with my eating when I increased my calories to account for my exercising. Now I am trying to refocus. I would like to lose a few inches off my hips/thighs and perhaps a few more lbs. I know I can't spot reduce.

    I'm just not sure If I should take a break from lifting focus on my eating Or continue lifting /eat at a deficit....and incorporate more cardio? Waaaah! :sad: Help Needed!

    I'm 5'8, last weigh-in at 165.

    edit- to add some stats.
  • BikerGirlElaine
    BikerGirlElaine Posts: 1,631 Member
    Songbird you look terrific in your avatar, what an amazing transformation!

    My bias would be that you never take a break from lifting, LOL. If you want to keep your food intake steady, you'll need to move more, but if you don't want to do cardio, you could move your calorie goal downwards a little bit.
  • kitkat4141
    kitkat4141 Posts: 379 Member
    Songbird you look terrific in your avatar, what an amazing transformation!

    My bias would be that you never take a break from lifting, LOL. If you want to keep your food intake steady, you'll need to move more, but if you don't want to do cardio, you could move your calorie goal downwards a little bit.

    ^^^^^^This! Keep lifting, add more cardio if you like to eat. Otherwise reduce calorie intake. My personal experience is taking a balanced approach in exercise by including strength training and cardio will yield a good result. I have never understood the "either/or" philosophy. Balance, balance!
  • kirabob
    kirabob Posts: 481 Member
    I may be the sole voice of disagreement here, but so be it.

    Lydia - how long has it been since you have taken an honest-to-goodness diet and lifting break? Not 2-3 days, but a solid week of eating to satiation and resting your muscles? Because not being able to control yourself around food sounds to me like your body is trying to tell you something. Strength training is hard. Hard on your muscles, hard on your cells, hard on your CNS. And that's why it's so awesome - but you also need to rest occasionally. And eating at a deficit is the same way. If you have been doing it for too long, and making hard physical demands on your body, eventually it will rebel, plain and simple. Giving it a break every 6-8 weeks can help keep you on track.

    At 5'11", your weight seems a bit on the low side to me. Heck, at 5'4" I am 162, and not really planning on losing too much more scale weight (fat yes, weight no). You have made awesome progress in your lifting - but we all have to remember that it takes time! And one day (or week) our bodies might need to hold on to more water and get fluffy, and the next week they might not and will let all that go - but as long as you are consistently lifting heavy and doing a little cardio, you aren't going to gain back what you have lost, fat-wise, unless you start eating WAAAAYYY over your TDEE.

    Speaking of, how long has it been since you have calculated your TDEE? I know this is totally anecdotal, but I want to share this with you as an example: I had stopped progressing on my lifts, couldn't recover fast enough, was getting achey. So I took a week off, and I have been slowly moving towards my TDEE - that means I am up from 1900 to 2400. And you know what? I got puffy for about a week, and then the puff went away. I am maintaining at 2400, so now I"m going to go up to 2500 and see what happens. And so forth, until I figure out where I start truly gaining weight (not just water as my cells soak up nutrients). And once I find that number, I'll cut back to a small deficit (nothing over 500 calories). This is just one approach - but I figured out in the last few months that unless I can eat normally WHILE I am losing fat, I will NEVER be able to keep that fat gone. Ever.

    Again, anecdotal, my experience, ymmv, etc. - but I wanted to throw it out there that maybe there are other alternatives. Probably not the most common viewpoint you will find on MFP, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
  • Songbirdcw
    Songbirdcw Posts: 320 Member
    Thanks so much ladies! No, I haven't taken a break from lifting...AND I DON'T WANT TO! :laugh: I appreciate the comments. I think I will just incorporate a little more cardio and just manage my food intake better. I will still keep with the Stronglifts program which I love! I will keep you ladies posted with the progress. Good luck Lydia! We can do this ladies.
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    I may be the sole voice of disagreement here, but so be it.

    Lydia - how long has it been since you have taken an honest-to-goodness diet and lifting break? Not 2-3 days, but a solid week of eating to satiation and resting your muscles? Because not being able to control yourself around food sounds to me like your body is trying to tell you something. Strength training is hard. Hard on your muscles, hard on your cells, hard on your CNS. And that's why it's so awesome - but you also need to rest occasionally. And eating at a deficit is the same way. If you have been doing it for too long, and making hard physical demands on your body, eventually it will rebel, plain and simple. Giving it a break every 6-8 weeks can help keep you on track.

    At 5'11", your weight seems a bit on the low side to me. Heck, at 5'4" I am 162, and not really planning on losing too much more scale weight (fat yes, weight no). You have made awesome progress in your lifting - but we all have to remember that it takes time! And one day (or week) our bodies might need to hold on to more water and get fluffy, and the next week they might not and will let all that go - but as long as you are consistently lifting heavy and doing a little cardio, you aren't going to gain back what you have lost, fat-wise, unless you start eating WAAAAYYY over your TDEE.

    Speaking of, how long has it been since you have calculated your TDEE? I know this is totally anecdotal, but I want to share this with you as an example: I had stopped progressing on my lifts, couldn't recover fast enough, was getting achey. So I took a week off, and I have been slowly moving towards my TDEE - that means I am up from 1900 to 2400. And you know what? I got puffy for about a week, and then the puff went away. I am maintaining at 2400, so now I"m going to go up to 2500 and see what happens. And so forth, until I figure out where I start truly gaining weight (not just water as my cells soak up nutrients). And once I find that number, I'll cut back to a small deficit (nothing over 500 calories). This is just one approach - but I figured out in the last few months that unless I can eat normally WHILE I am losing fat, I will NEVER be able to keep that fat gone. Ever.

    Again, anecdotal, my experience, ymmv, etc. - but I wanted to throw it out there that maybe there are other alternatives. Probably not the most common viewpoint you will find on MFP, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

    Re: bolded... That is pretty close to where I am right now. I just increased my intake to 2400 and my lifts haven't budged yet, so 2500 is next.

    Though some people might be reluctant to increase calories when bf% is relatively high, so I can understand this, too. No matter how hard you train, if you are increasing your intake to a point where it exceeds your expenditure, you will gain both muscle and fat.

    And your point about breaks from lifting is also important. I wouldn't necessarily ascribe all cravings and poor portion control to overtraining/undereating, since for some people it's emotional or habitual, especially if one has lost a fair amount of weight. But it could very well be a sign of overtraining.
  • kirabob
    kirabob Posts: 481 Member


    And your point about breaks from lifting is also important. I wouldn't necessarily ascribe all cravings and poor portion control to overtraining/undereating, since for some people it's emotional or habitual, especially if one has lost a fair amount of weight. But it could very well be a sign of overtraining.

    Absolutely - I meant to mention the tricky nature of the whole thing, but since I was already headed towards a small book, I left it out. For me, the only way to know **for sure** that I was undereating/overtraining was to see if the 'binging' calmed down once I gave my body more food. And for me, it did. At 1900 calories, I had started having uncontrollable urges to stuff my face every time the weekend rolled around. Again, **for me**, it was more about not eating enough than having no self-control. It's important to acknowledge emotional/psychological/habitual factors when trying to figure out our intake, but we have been trained to find it counter-intuitive to feed ourselves if we are overeating. Goes against everything the mainstream diet establishment tells us. But I'll try to stay off that particular soap box for now!

    Songbird - as for resting - please read this: http://www.girlsgonestrong.com/deconstructing-the-de-load/
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member


    And your point about breaks from lifting is also important. I wouldn't necessarily ascribe all cravings and poor portion control to overtraining/undereating, since for some people it's emotional or habitual, especially if one has lost a fair amount of weight. But it could very well be a sign of overtraining.

    Absolutely - I meant to mention the tricky nature of the whole thing, but since I was already headed towards a small book, I left it out. For me, the only way to know **for sure** that I was undereating/overtraining was to see if the 'binging' calmed down once I gave my body more food. And for me, it did. At 1900 calories, I had started having uncontrollable urges to stuff my face every time the weekend rolled around. Again, **for me**, it was more about not eating enough than having no self-control. It's important to acknowledge emotional/psychological/habitual factors when trying to figure out our intake, but we have been trained to find it counter-intuitive to feed ourselves if we are overeating. Goes against everything the mainstream diet establishment tells us. But I'll try to stay off that particular soap box for now!

    Songbird - as for resting - please read this: http://www.girlsgonestrong.com/deconstructing-the-de-load/

    ^^^ a great read about deloading, thanks!
  • Songbirdcw
    Songbirdcw Posts: 320 Member


    And your point about breaks from lifting is also important. I wouldn't necessarily ascribe all cravings and poor portion control to overtraining/undereating, since for some people it's emotional or habitual, especially if one has lost a fair amount of weight. But it could very well be a sign of overtraining.

    Absolutely - I meant to mention the tricky nature of the whole thing, but since I was already headed towards a small book, I left it out. For me, the only way to know **for sure** that I was undereating/overtraining was to see if the 'binging' calmed down once I gave my body more food. And for me, it did. At 1900 calories, I had started having uncontrollable urges to stuff my face every time the weekend rolled around. Again, **for me**, it was more about not eating enough than having no self-control. It's important to acknowledge emotional/psychological/habitual factors when trying to figure out our intake, but we have been trained to find it counter-intuitive to feed ourselves if we are overeating. Goes against everything the mainstream diet establishment tells us. But I'll try to stay off that particular soap box for now!

    Songbird - as for resting - please read this: http://www.girlsgonestrong.com/deconstructing-the-de-load/

    Wow, that's so much for recommending that article. I believe I'm definitely in need of a deload. Kind of mad I didn't recognize that I needed to myself. Great article.
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