Don't let the haters get you down. As great as this website is for encouragement there are plenty of downers out there too who will find something wrong with someone some how. Seems like the plant strong folks are the easy targets for most. As for the protein argument, how many people do you know who are suffering from a protein deficit? I've been eating mostly vegan for close to 9 months now and most days my protein intake is just fine and when I'm "low" I don't see where it has hurt me any.

just starting my journey with 80/10/10...newly vegan.....would love a new friend

Can you guys convince me that 80/10/10 is enough daily protein to maintain muscle mass for someone doing progressive bodyweight and yoga at intermediate intensity? I would like to think so. I am also newly vegan.

the same way you saw that the myth* of vegans not getting enough protein through research and trial and error:drinker: is the same way you should approach 80/10/10 , no ones answer will suffice:noway: , you have to look at what works for your body chemistry.:flowerforyou:

I'm not a raw vegan, but I follow 80/10/10 per Dr. T. Colin Campbell's advice. My diary is open and I'm on here daily. Send me a friend request, if you'd like

Im 80/10/10 but with sometimes cooked food

can someone give me the "short and sweet" version of what 80/10/10 means? I'm plantstrong, but largely from my garden and very few store bought sources. I keep my numbers pretty much in line on MFP and feel great. Trying not to eat bread foods, but otherwise cooking my veggies. Is it about eating raw?

A balanced vegan diet provides plenty of protein, but I'm not sure that a 80/10/10 does.

Let me explain. If you are eating at maintenance it's (debatable but) possible that 10% of the calories will give you enough protein, but if you are on a caloric restriction it's highly unlikely. I'm not saying that you will suffer dire consequences but many studies found that a higher protein ratio will preserve more FFM (fat free mass), i.e. muscle. So it's probable that on a 80/10/10 diet you will loose, along with fat, more muscle than on a, say, 40/30/30 diet, especially if you add strenght training to your activities (as you should).

You can read some interesting findings and plenty of references here: http://goo.gl/RbLEX

Stiegler P, Cunliffe A. The role of diet and exercise for the maintenance of fat-free mass and resting metabolic rate during weight loss. Sports Med. 2006;36(3):239–262.

"Research to date suggests that the addition of exercise programmes to dietary restriction can promote more favourable changes in body composition than diet or physical activity on its own. Moreover, recent research indicates that the macronutrient content of the energy-restricted diet may influence body compositional alterations following exercise regimens. Protein emerges as an important factor for the maintenance of or increase in FFM induced by exercise training."

According to what I have read in the past, most people eat far too much protein. As for me, about once a week, I'll eat 10 raw almonds. 10 raw almonds give you all the protein and all the calcium you need for a day's supply. Other than that, I don't worry about my numbers. I happen to have a very high metabolism. When I leave off the processed vegan foods, I have trouble gaining weight! Right now I am 7 - 12 pounds underweight! Potatoes, here I come!

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I'm with coccodrillo on this one.

Most high carb vegans eat between 3,000-4,000 or more calories PER DAY. SO 10% of those calories from protein would be enough. If you're calorie restricting- which is not what the high carb vegan lifestyle is about- then you won't be getting much protein- but you also don't be getting much of anything either!

I highly recommend looking into Dough Graham's 80/10/10 book and you can watch John McDougall's lectures on YouTube where he explains the benefits of eating high carb/low fat.
McDougall also wrote a book called The Starch Solution- which takes a different approach to high carb eating than Doug, who advocates more fruit, but basically says high carb vegan diet is where its at.