Question about Mcmillian Running and training paces

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lorierin22
lorierin22 Posts: 432 Member
So I entered my last 5K race time, which just happens to be my PR (a PR that I am still not convinced was not a complete fluke...) and the training times it spit out look to be on the crazy side of challenging. I know I am not going to hit those ranges on every run and I am learning how to run based on effort...but am I setting myself up for failure trying to keep up with the training paces based on my fastest (by over a minute) race or should I be using like an average of the last 3-4 races?

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  • davemunger
    davemunger Posts: 1,139 Member
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    Just making sure you understand the interface:

    The first page you get when you enter your time is not your training paces -- it is your projected time in other distances. So if you enter 30 minutes for a 5K, it projects 1:02 for a 10K and 8:38 for a mile. These are the times you might achieve in an all-out race, provided you have trained for it.

    If you click on "training paces" below race times, it gives you recommended paces for very specific workouts.

    For example, for a 30-minute 5Ker, the default recommendation is a 10:54 to 11:43 pace for easy runs.

    For a tempo run, your recommended pace is 9:50 to 10:08. A tempo run is a short, high-intensity run, usually around 20 minutes.

    For a cruise interval, you are suggested to run 800 meters in 4:20 to 4:33 (this is total time, not time per mile! That's the equivalent of an 8:40 to 9:06 mile). Etc, etc.

    Does this seem more reasonable now?
  • lorierin22
    lorierin22 Posts: 432 Member
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    Just making sure you understand the interface:

    The first page you get when you enter your time is not your training paces -- it is your projected time in other distances. So if you enter 30 minutes for a 5K, it projects 1:02 for a 10K and 8:38 for a mile. These are the times you might achieve in an all-out race, provided you have trained for it.

    If you click on "training paces" below race times, it gives you recommended paces for very specific workouts.

    For example, for a 30-minute 5Ker, the default recommendation is a 10:54 to 11:43 pace for easy runs.

    For a tempo run, your recommended pace is 9:50 to 10:08. A tempo run is a short, high-intensity run, usually around 20 minutes.

    For a cruise interval, you are suggested to run 800 meters in 4:20 to 4:33 (this is total time, not time per mile! That's the equivalent of an 8:40 to 9:06 mile). Etc, etc.

    Does this seem more reasonable now?

    Not really...the training times it gives for my 5k PR 28:18 seem really fast to me. The easy pace is ok. The slow end of the long run pace seems ok, but the tempo is what scares me :/
  • SecretAgent27
    SecretAgent27 Posts: 57 Member
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    Try it. See how you do. If you need to adjust the pace, do so. If you think your last race was a fluke and aren't comfortable with those paces, feel free to use your previous PR and gradually increase it from there.

    And if you put your previous PR (around 29:30?) for the first time and the 28:18 as the goal time, it will spit out different (slower) paces, so you could always try that too.

    FWIW, I used the Runner's World calculator for my training paces which is similar but a little slower than McMillan. http://www.runnersworld.com/tools/training-paces-calculator
  • zornig
    zornig Posts: 336 Member
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    I think the McMillan calculator is a really cool tool. Of course I'm not entirely convinced that I'll ever be as fast as I'd like to be, but that part obviously has more to do with me than the calculator!
  • davemunger
    davemunger Posts: 1,139 Member
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    Not really...the training times it gives for my 5k PR 28:18 seem really fast to me. The easy pace is ok. The slow end of the long run pace seems ok, but the tempo is what scares me :/

    Depending on the individual training plan, "tempo" run can have a lot of different meanings. McMillan defines a Tempo run as a 10-to 40-minute run. Given that you can run 28 minutes at a 9:06 pace, you shouldn't have a problem running 10 minutes at McMillan's recommended pace of 9:16 to 9:35. The effort for a tempo should be a little easier than when you are going all-out in a 5K, but these paces are slower than your 5K pace, and typically a tempo run is shorter in duration than what you take to run a 5K (I usually think of them as 20 minutes. If you want to do a longer tempo run, you could use McMillan's "steady state" times -- those are for runs ranging from 25 to 90 minutes).

    The other possibility, given that you are skeptical about your 5K time, is that the course you ran on was a little short. For example, if the course was actually 3.05 miles rather than 3.1 (this is quite common!), then your "real" 5K time would be about 30 seconds longer, 28:49. This would put your tempo pace at 9:26-9:45. Does that seem more reasonable?
  • lorierin22
    lorierin22 Posts: 432 Member
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    The other day I ran 4 miles at a 10 min pace, which was steady state per mcmillan and I was pushing and it was what I would consider a tempo. I guess I didn't really realize a tempo could be less than 2 miles so that is good know. I just always figured they were about 2-4 miles, even though I know some people do much longer ones. Good info!

    And yes...I've been wondering about the course myself. since I couldn't get my garmin to start in time I have no idea if it was short or not. But even the 28:49 would be a PR :) so I'm good if it was. The 9:28-9:45 def sounds more like a tempo pace I could hold.

    "And if you put your previous PR (around 29:30?) for the first time and the 28:18 as the goal time, it will spit out different (slower) paces, so you could always try that too. "

    I also like this idea and I think bascially using an inbetween range of my 5K PR and my half marathon goal time will be a good range for me as well.

    Thanks everyone for your help!
  • davemunger
    davemunger Posts: 1,139 Member
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    The other day I ran 4 miles at a 10 min pace, which was steady state per mcmillan and I was pushing and it was what I would consider a tempo. I guess I didn't really realize a tempo could be less than 2 miles so that is good know. I just always figured they were about 2-4 miles, even though I know some people do much longer ones. Good info!

    I took the USATF certification course a couple years ago and was amazed to find that even 100-meter runners do tempos of around 60 meters or so! So when someone says they are doing a tempo, it pays to find out exactly what they are talking about!
  • tappae
    tappae Posts: 568 Member
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    I've never managed to run the "tempo" pace McMillan (or was it Daniels?) gave me (7:42). My fastest tempo run was around 8:00 pace, going just by "comfortably hard" feel.
  • lorierin22
    lorierin22 Posts: 432 Member
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    I've never managed to run the "tempo" pace McMillan (or was it Daniels?) gave me (7:42). My fastest tempo run was around 8:00 pace, going just by "comfortably hard" feel.

    Glad I'm not the only one. I will just keep trying to go by feel on the tempo.