Looking for the right decision

Trying to decide on surgery, I qualify with a bmi of 47. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the fact that having the surgery and doing all of the prescribed treatments ie. special diet, exercise more, smaller portions, all sound like the "old fashion way" and the diet initially sounds really hard. Then why have the surgery?? Trying to go in with my eyes wide open, so here is the big question... To have long term success with the sleeve you have to change the way you eat, think and live. Then couldn't you have just done all that without loosing 80% of your stomach? I'm not judging anyone, most people are looking for the easy fix and this does not sound easy at all. So is the the huge beginning weight loss enough to motivate you stay stay on track long term? What about the folks who don't have huge initial losses?

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  • garber6th
    garber6th Posts: 1,890 Member
    I asked myself the same question before surgery, especially since I lost 70 lbs on my own prior to surgery. Could I have continued and done it on my own without surgery? My answer was maybe, and it was a pretty weak maybe. I have lost and gained hundreds of pounds in my lifetime. At the time I started the process of preparing for surgery, I weighed 382 lbs. Maybe was not a good enough answer for me at that point in my life. Surgery is a tool, an extremely helpful tool, to help you lose weight and maintain. The success rate for people who have had surgery is much higher than for people who lose weight the "old fashioned way". I never looked at my new way of eating as hard, it's just a new normal that I had to adjust to. Hard was being morbidly obese and unhealthy, and not being able to really live life. Now, I feel amazing, and I have my health and my quality of life back. I would have the surgery again in a hearbeat.
  • Mangopickle
    Mangopickle Posts: 1,509 Member
    You have correctly discovered that there is nothing easy or magic about this. Humans lose wt when we consume less than we burn. You are simply being provided a tool that reminds you after 3/4 cup of food that you are finished and need to stop eating. Hopefully you chose your food wisely 70%protein, 25%veg-no potato, 5%whole grain carb. I eat between 750-850 calories a day. When I get to maintenance I will get 1400 cals a day- because that is all a 5'5" 45 yr old sedentary woman gets. If I want to eat more I have to exercise more. As for me I was simply running out of time. My years of being obese but having normal bp and blood sugar ended. I also developed sleep apnea. I have been obese following a bad parental divorce when I was in 2nd grade. I have lost and gained 100's of lbs over the years but never knew what normal felt like. Now I know what full feels like. I know what running and not wheezing feels like. I know what it feels like to walk into a clothing store and know that clothes will fit. I know what it feels like to not obsess constantly about my next meal. Food is just fuel now. I plan my meals in advance but in between I don't even think about food any more. I haven't found it hard to not eat wheat, rice or potato any more. They are just empty calories that I can't afford to waste. I am too busy optimizing my protein. This is a powerful tool for people ready to change and accept a new lifestyle, but it is completely useless for someone who will not change.
  • jkern9110
    jkern9110 Posts: 119 Member
    Before surgery, my BMI was over 45. I'm 26 years old and was lucky enough to have not developed any "co-morbitities" as the insurance companies like to call them. I have been overweight since elementary school and morbidly obese since high school. In college, I managed to drop 70 pounds using weight watchers. Then the weightloss stalled and after about 2-3 months of being 70 pounds down, my weight started creeping back up. Within a year, I had reverted back to my old overindulgent eating habits and sedentary lifestyle and packed back on the 70 pounds plus 10 more. I tried weight watchers again, at least a half dozen times over the next three years. Nothing would stick. Then my best friend got the lap band. I saw her struggles as she changed her lifestyle first with diet and food choices and then with exercise. That's when I met with my PCP and then a surgeon to explore the surgeries and research what it could possibly do for me. One thing my PCP told me was that for people who are morbidly obese, when they loose their excess weight the "old fashioned way" they have an almost 100% chance of gaining all of the weight back. With the surgery this figure, goes down to 50%. What that meant to me was that with the surgery, I would have a far greater chance of maintaining my weightloss with the surgery than if I was ever even able to loose weight again on my own.

    This surgery has changed my life. Food is not something that I can just mindlessly consume. I can't have whatever I want, whenever I want. Overall health is at the forefront of my mind. Pre-surgery, I would never think about what I would eat from one meal to the next. Post-surgery, my entire day of eating is planned out; my entire week of food is bought in advance. Calories and protein count, carbs, and fat are all evaluated and analyzed daily. I have goals each day that I'm determined to meet so that I can achieve overall health and weight loss success. The fact that my stomach can only hold a finite amount forces me to be choosey with what I consume and that would have never happened had I not had the sleeve done.

    Everyone must make choices that suit them best. If you think you can loose the weight and maintain it without surgery, then you know what to do.
  • Richie2shoes
    Richie2shoes Posts: 411 Member
    I thought the same thing. When I exercise every day and watch what I eat, I lose weight. I've lost hundreds of pounds doing just that. The problem is when I stop and fall back into old habits. The surgery will be a tool to help prevent the old eating habits from coming back.
  • sue100194
    sue100194 Posts: 129
    Hi, I had a lot of the same thoughts as you and had plenty of time to think them as it took almost a year for me to get through the insurance requirements and my doctor's pre-op testing requirements. I lost the required pre-op weight fairly easily and while I went through the pre-op testing, I wasn't completely committed to following through with the surgery. Why not just continue to lose without the surgery? But then when I didn't 'have' to continue to lose and the holidays approached and I quit logging what I ate every day, I didn't lose any weight. No surprise, right? But it helped clarify for me that I really needed the tool of the WLS.

    Now that I've had the surgery and am living the lifestyle, I truly understand that the surgery is the tool that keeps me from getting off track by reducing hunger, quantities that I can eat, etc. But the weight loss continues to be the simple formula of calories consumed less calories expended. None of it is easy but the WLS tool is motivating and lasting. Plus these WLS boards are pretty motivating, comforting and full of great information. Good luck with your decision.
  • rpyle111
    rpyle111 Posts: 1,060 Member
    My pattern is the same. If you look at my profile, I have my weight chart since 1999 (yes, i am a geeky engineer!). Every time int eh past I have been successful for months at a time, and then *something* happened in real life and the energy, desire and sticktoitiveness go away and the number on the scale rises again.

    A few years ago, I started having trouble with my hips (arthritis) which has severely hampered my ability to do the exercise and sports I used to do, making the 50 pound loss less likely. Some of that exercise aversion was excuse-making, but some of it is real. That flipped the switch for me and I moved from an attitude whee I knew WLS was the right answer but I wasn't mentally ready, to now, where I am fully compliant (just committed to the psychologist today that I would completely cut out alcohol and caffeine) and committed to make the changes necessary.

    I have done spectacularly well with logging, eating better and exercising this first month, but my track record says that it will last a while but real life will likely get int he way. As Garber6th said, Maybe is not good enough at this stage in my life.

    It takes some real soul searching to decide if you are ready. I was approved for the surgery in 2011, but my employer changed HMOs so I had to start again. I think in hindsight that was the best thing for me because I was not ready then, I was dreading it and doing it because I had to, now I am doing it because I want to *and* it's the right thing to do!

    Share as much as you are comfortable, there are all sorts of stories here and I have learned something from each of them! Finding these forums has been a Godsend for me!
  • pawoodhull
    pawoodhull Posts: 1,759 Member
    I thought about this whole process for years. And I was thinking I was continueing to creep up in weight until I was 386 pounds. I too thought I could do this on my own AND I had watched 2 sisters and 2 cousins have gastric bypass and all but one either not lose much or regain, so surgery obviously wasn't their answer. And then I had two friends who had the gastric sleeve and their success was amazing to watch, their success at keeping it off was eye opening. So my research changed from what is the surgery to why does one work better than another. In 2010 I finally got honest with myself. My mobility was gone, my BP was up, I was boarderline diabetic and my life had dwindled to working, eating and watching TV because I wasn't able to do much else. So I looked into the sleeve and July 2011 I had my sleeve.

    It's all about the restriction for me. My doctor said he took ALL the stretchy part of my stomach, so I can never restretch it. That means I will forever have this restriction. I still have to concentrate my eating on lean protein, vegtables and getting my water in each day. I will for the rest of my life. That's OK. My relationship with food changed after the surgery. Before I lived to eat. Now food is fuel. Yes I still enjoy eating, but I eat because I need to and I eat more thoughtfully, as in what best meets my nutritional goals for the day, not just what tastes best of fills me. Easy? No. But so very much worth it!

    Others said it here. The surgery is a tool. Use it well and you will lose the weight and keep it off. Put your tool on the shelf and ignore it and you will regain. My doctor said anyone can out eat any of the various weight loss surgeries. The sleeve is no exception. The regain may be slower because of the restriction, but you can still regain.

    The truth for all of here is this. If we could have lost our weight and kept it off without surgery, we would have. But there comes a point in obesity where diet and exercise no longer work. I was way past that point and that's why I had the sleeve. And let me tell you. This is the best thing I have ever done for myself.
  • cadyhouse
    cadyhouse Posts: 17
    The decision regarding whether or not to go forward with surgery is a personal one. Since it is irreverseible, it is always a good idea to weigh all of the facts and options first. That said, those of us who have chosen the surgical option are only as successful as we allow ourselves to be. I had a sleeve. I am happy with my decision. I know that my life will never be as it was before, but that does not mean that my body can't be the way it was before. It is all up to my committment and choices.

    I think of it like some of those hoarders on TV. They can clean up their spaces, but unless they keep up with the work, the spaces will revert to filth and chaos. Having the surgery, for me, is equivelent to not only cleaning up my living space, but moving to a small apartment. That does not mean that I can't turn a new apartment into filth and chaos, but it gives me less room to do it.

    I can out-eat surgery. Even with a smaller stomach. I can make poor choices and I can stop doing the work. My choice. Success is all up to me. Many, many people successfully lose weight without surgery. Many, many people do not. No matter what choice is made, success or failure is all in our heads.

    Jst my two cents. Incidentally, if you are looking for success stories and inspiration, look to Mangopickle and pawoodhull. They are, and will continue to be, success stories. I hang on their every word!
  • Ujj7
    Ujj7 Posts: 51
    I feel like I have made this decision decisively and quickly, because I have been evolving to a place where I was open to a lasting change. I was within 28 lb of my goal weight 4 years ago but didn't have the fortitude to persist with changes I had made. I have engaged in both good and bad habits off and on since then, not quite gaining all of it back, but now I am within 28 lb of my highest weight. I decided that I needed help in reaching my goal, my natural tendency is to be able to eat less for about 4 months at a time, then I backslide. I'm hoping that with the sleeve, I will be able to make the changes and stick with them. Finally, the recent research that came out in the New England Journal of Medicine was convincing to me that the sleeve surgery is worth it for controll of my diabetes. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1200225
  • Thanks everyone, part of me feels like I'm just kidding myself if I don't have the surgery and another part of me feels like its a last resort surgery and I'm not sure if I'm there yet either. The doctor's office called yesterday and when I told them I was unsure they said they would call back in 2 weeks. So now I can drive myself crazy for two weeks...
  • Ksh1055
    Ksh1055 Posts: 248 Member
    Valerie,

    Prior to my surgery I had to have clearance from a nutritionist, an exercise specialist and a session with the psychiatrist, in addition there are a number of tests or studies, shots that you have to have done if they aren't recent enough. There are several steps/requirements and classes that you must have done. Just prior to surgery you have 8 - 10 days to lose 10 lbs. (special high protein/fiber products) in order to shrink your liver (which is lifted during surgery). Post surgery there are also several stages and appointments, etc. you must do. It's like taking a lifelong class in losing weight by eating the right way, how important exercise is and drilling it in that you MUST follow the instructions or you could develop problems and won't be successful.

    Every surgeon has their own distinctive instructions/requirements pre and post surgery. This is the time when you can see if you really are willing to completely change your eating and exercise habits. Be honest with yourself and if you have any uncertainty whether you are ready for this change, you are not ready to fully commit, then you're not ready for this surgery,

    It is not a magic solution or procedure. There is no such thing. It takes a tremendous amount of willpower, effort and strength, even then we all slip up every now and then. If not for the support of my family and this group I wouldn't be as successful as I have been. I'm only 95 days out from my surgery. Prior to my beginning this process, I knew nothing about food really. Now I know all about proteins, carbs, sugars, etc. I read labels and know what I'm reading and can make educated decisions on whether a product is good or bad for me. I still have to make the choice, but being better informed makes it so much easier. This site also makes me accountable not only to myself, but to other members and my surgeon. She wants me to bring copies for my next appointment in February 2015.

    It is a last resort in my opinion, but as others have said - it is not reversible - you can't take it back and if you don't put in the effort you won't be successful and you can't divorce yourself from it. Your family and friends may or may not support your decision. If so - all the better for you. If not, and you can't take their negativity, you're not ready. I don't mean to be preachy, but it took me 5 years of research and pondering whether it would be the right thing for me I didn't pursue it until I could without reservation know I could commit to this drastic change forever.

    I wish you well, whatever you decide.

    Karen
  • cutty805
    cutty805 Posts: 54
    I highly recommend the book titled "The Big Book on The Gastric Sleeve" by Alex Brecher. It is by far the most in depth book regarding the surgery and decision leading up to it, as well as helpful post op tips. I had my sleeve on 5/5/14 and am so happy I did. The following is a excerpt:


    The vertical sleeve gastrectomy, or gastric sleeve, can be your weight loss solution after years of struggling with obesity. Thousands of patients have successfully lost weight and kept it off after vertical sleeve gastrectomy.

    Making the right decisions can help you make the most out of this life-changing experience. The Big Book on the Gastric Sleeve: Everything You Need to Lose Weight and Live Well with the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy! provides the information and tips you need to make the most out of this chance to overcome obesity forever.

    How does the gastric sleeve work? Is the vertical sleeve gastrectomy your best option? Who will your surgeon be? What will your diet be like? How can you reduce complications and side effects?

    This indispensible book answers these questions and more with straightforward and complete explanations. The authors, a successful weight loss surgery patient and a nutritionist specializing in weight loss speak to those considering weight loss surgery, current gastric sleeve patients and their supporters. Learn about:

    • Expected weight loss after vertical sleeve gastrectomy (VSG)
    • Choosing a surgeon and paying for surgery
    • Safely preparing for and recovering from surgery
    • Avoiding mistakes that can slow weight loss and harm your health
    • The VSG diet for weight loss: what, when and how much to eat
    • Health benefits and risks of the sleeve
    • Embracing life as a sleeve patient

    This complete guide covers the entire VSG journey - don't miss out on critical information that can get you the weight loss that you want and deserve!


    Good luck with with whatever you decide.
  • relentless2121
    relentless2121 Posts: 431 Member
    Thanks for the recommendation of that book. It looks like a great resource for anyone contemplating VSG surgery.
    It kind of reminds me of "The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous" which we used to use in another 12 Step Group.
    I am a 12 Stepper and love applying the steps to everyday life. They are 12 steps for healthy living. I'm gonna look the book up
    on Amazon. Thanks again. :flowerforyou: