Gel w H2O question

Stoshew71
Stoshew71 Posts: 6,553 Member
edited February 23 in Social Groups
I was reading an artcle on marathon training. The article took a letter from a marathon runner who described his training then explained that he was not happy with the results. Then the author went on to describe the mistakes the marathon runner made during his training. My question is from Mistake #5 on the use of gels. Anyone an expert or have knowledge on how much water to mix with a gel? Or is this a load of garbage?


http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/marathon-running-common-mistakes-to-avoid-in-your-marathon-training-plan-148


Mistake no. 5
Using gels during the marathon itself. This is very tricky business, since exactly the right amount of water must be taken in with each packet of gel. Take in too much water - and you end up with a hypotonic sports drink in your gullet which delivers too few carbs to your leg muscles. Take in too little water - and you concoct a syrupy goo within your intestines which actually drags in water from surrounding tissues and spurs diarrhoea. Pour sports drink down your throat along with the gel, and you might as well begin scouting around for a Portaloo.

Proper strategy: it is possible to use gels during the race, but you'd better have a sports-drink expert or exercise physiologist calculate your water intake for you. It's far easier to simply use sports drink throughout the race (remember never to mix sports drink with water), a practice which will increase your chances of avoiding GI upsets and delivering enough carbohydrate to your muscles.

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  • CarsonRuns
    CarsonRuns Posts: 3,039 Member
    Some truth, some fantasy.

    I find it helps to drink some water with the gel. I usually try to plan it so I finish my gel right before a water stop and then I grab a cup. How much is the right amount? Well, I'm sure you don't need 10 ounces and a half ounce probably won't do much. I'd say you need about as much as you can get going through one water station. 2 to 4 ounces, maybe?
  • Lard_Vader
    Lard_Vader Posts: 138 Member
    Just like with anything, you need to test gels while training. I wouldn't take anything someone just handed to me without knowing how it will affect me. I tend to take a sip of water before gel consumption then another sip after. Some gels go down better than others and I'd say that has the most to do with it.
  • vmclach
    vmclach Posts: 670 Member
    I'm sure properly using gel isn't going to "make or break" your marathon time.

    You don't need to use anything. Train your body to run without it.

    Best decision I ever made. I used to take salt pills, gels, the works.

    Now I just show up empty handed. I grab water & gaterade.

    You don't need gel/gummies/food for a marathon.
  • ATT949
    ATT949 Posts: 1,245 Member
    I was reading an artcle on marathon training. The article took a letter from a marathon runner who described his training then explained that he was not happy with the results. Then the author went on to describe the mistakes the marathon runner made during his training. My question is from Mistake #5 on the use of gels. Anyone an expert or have knowledge on how much water to mix with a gel? Or is this a load of garbage?


    http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/marathon-running-common-mistakes-to-avoid-in-your-marathon-training-plan-148


    Mistake no. 5
    Using gels during the marathon itself. This is very tricky business, since exactly the right amount of water must be taken in with each packet of gel. Take in too much water - and you end up with a hypotonic sports drink in your gullet which delivers too few carbs to your leg muscles. Take in too little water - and you concoct a syrupy goo within your intestines which actually drags in water from surrounding tissues and spurs diarrhoea. Pour sports drink down your throat along with the gel, and you might as well begin scouting around for a Portaloo.

    Proper strategy: it is possible to use gels during the race, but you'd better have a sports-drink expert or exercise physiologist calculate your water intake for you. It's far easier to simply use sports drink throughout the race (remember never to mix sports drink with water), a practice which will increase your chances of avoiding GI upsets and delivering enough carbohydrate to your muscles.

    I would disregard most of what's written in "Mistake no. 5".

    There's no magic to taking gels. Gels are designed to make it easy to refuel.

    Science tells us that we should ingest about 60 gm CHO per hour. Some runners take in more (Ritz apparently takes in 90 gm/hr) but, per Noakes, Fitzgerald, and Anderson, 60 is a good working number.

    If you decide to create your own gel, things can get interesting because different types of carbs are digested at different rates so you'll see that gels have varying amounts of the different types of carbs (mono-, di-, oligo-, and polysaccharides). The tricky sugar is monosaccharides (glucose) which requires a fair amount of water to get into the bloodstream. It's the fastest to digest but you've got to take water on or the whole process slows down.

    Researchers have found that a combination of sugars it the best approach because the body can ingest different sugars simultaneously.

    There's zero reason to carry a "sports drink" - you can get the same amount of active ingredient in a gel and you can control your own dilution level.

    The authors I've mentioned above have written books that touch on this subject but the best quick read I've seen about this is at energygelcentral.com. Spend a few minute reviewing the pages on the site and it should clear up most issues on the topic.

    You could also roam around runnersconnect.net. They have put out a series of emails over the last few months that are superb.

    BTW, I make my own gel using the mix available at energygelcentral.com.
  • SonicDeathMonkey80
    SonicDeathMonkey80 Posts: 4,489 Member
    My body has revolted on gels, right after I bought a box of Salted Caramel Gu too. Last three times I did them, they just sat in my gut and made me feel sick. I ran 18mi last Sunday on a banana when I woke up and Gatorade stops at mile 8 and 15. I'm currently testing my body to see what the bare minimum is that I need, and am trying more common household junk. I let Aidan have a gel before his baseball games (he chugs plenty of water) and like seeing him act all whipped up.
  • DavidMartinez2
    DavidMartinez2 Posts: 840 Member
    @OP - I amost read that is the author is mixing gel and water in a bottle for use during the race. Don't do that.

    @Doug - There are more gels out there than just GU and they are all different. I would recommend getting a couple of different types and trying them. There are also blocks, jelly beans, waffle....
  • timeasterday
    timeasterday Posts: 1,368 Member
    @OP - I amost read that is the author is mixing gel and water in a bottle for use during the race. Don't do that.

    Why? I have done this for a few races.
  • Carrieendar
    Carrieendar Posts: 493 Member
    I do gel with water in a gel flask a lot. Never had an issue with it; it lets me spread it out a little more, allows me to carry less stuff and grab sports drinks at aid stops instead of having to do water + sports drink at some to get the gel down.
  • KeithAngilly
    KeithAngilly Posts: 575 Member
    For a race, I eat a gel about every 30 to 40 minutes, timing it with the water stops. I get the gel out about a half mile before the next stop and grab some water on the way by. Everyone is different, but for me, I see no reason not to avail myself of something that gives me a proven performance benefit. And to the OP, race fueling isn't rocket science and it doesn't seem be "tricky business" at all. Just devote a couple training runs to practicing it.
  • _Josee_
    _Josee_ Posts: 625 Member
    What I did for my marathon was one gel every 40-45 minutes with water from my water belt. That way I didn't have to worry about timing them with water stations. As of how much water, I don't know really... One good sip! Then, I took one sip of water at every water station. It worked very well for me. No hitting the wall, no stomach ache, no GI issues.... In training long run I was taking gels every x miles and I had issues... They were all resolved when I switch to time vs distance.
  • Stoshew71
    Stoshew71 Posts: 6,553 Member
    Thanks all, I kinda knew all of this already. The article threw me off tho. The guy who wrote the article must be one of these "gel professionals" looking for work.
  • RunnerElizabeth
    RunnerElizabeth Posts: 1,091 Member
    Oh gosh! This is stressing me out! I've gotten into some bad habits with all my stroller running. Sometimes I do weird things like eat half a hamburger on my run home (my daughter eats the other half). What if no one hands me a hamburger during my marathon and all I get is a stupid gel? That's not even food, just chemicals!
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