Linking Strava to MFP...

TheBigYin
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Just noticed on Strava (on the PC rather than the app, using the Strava Premium version - just for clarity) that there's an option in the "Social Connections" area for "Connect with MyFitnessPal"...
Well - i've clicked it and it passed through to MFP for authorisation which I duly did.
Strangely though, there's NO mention of Strava on the Apps section of MFP.
Guess it's under the heading of "A work in Progress" then, and we're waiting for MFP to sort out their side of the Integration bit.
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Well - i've clicked it and it passed through to MFP for authorisation which I duly did.
Strangely though, there's NO mention of Strava on the Apps section of MFP.
Guess it's under the heading of "A work in Progress" then, and we're waiting for MFP to sort out their side of the Integration bit.
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I've 'allowed' it too... Lets see what happens :laugh:0
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Me too, thanks for the share.0
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I actually noticed it yesterday, and then the newsfeed went pecs-upwards for about a hour or so, and I got all excited... of course it wasn't to be - or at least I don't think so - I'm about to go out for a little spin in half a hour or so, so we'll see if it works when I get back and d/l into Strava.0
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That would be handy; though I gave up with the Endomondo link because it was hit and miss at best! Let's hope they've had a bit more time to smooth things out!0
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Well - it's just synched my last ride automagically.... :woot:
Strava to MFP Link by The Big Yin, on Flickr
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I take it the cals burned have been lifted from Strava?
I just don't like the generic 'Bicycling 'blah' kmh' tag :grumble:0 -
calories lifted from strava - but i've amended 'em to the ones from the Garmin (seeing as I've gone to all the expense and (nauseating) effort of having the NewLeaf testing done to calibrate the Garmin properly... which reminds me, i'm overdue for another torture session to get a new MEP done... (metabolic efficiency profile - nothing to do with The Brussels Gravytrain!))0
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calories lifted from strava - but i've amended 'em to the ones from the Garmin (seeing as I've gone to all the expense and (nauseating) effort of having the NewLeaf testing done to calibrate the Garmin properly... which reminds me, i'm overdue for another torture session to get a new MEP done... (metabolic efficiency profile - nothing to do with The Brussels Gravytrain!))
I noticed MFP takes the calories from Strava also. This is good because I think the math that MFP uses for calories burned is generic at best. If you use a few online calculators based on age, weight, etc. you can come up with a general calories burned per hour (I have calculated values for running & cycling and compared faster paces to leisure then sort of split the middle).
I've always found the calories burned from Garmin very low. But, I haven't calibrated mine. I'd argue that there is no sure-fire way to calculate these values, the best you can do is get a round-about estimate. This is another reason why I don't "eat back" calories burned and rather calculate my food intake and estimated activity on a weekly basis and come up with a average I should shoot for everyday. This seems to work well because my weight stays steady even when I load up miles as I did a few weeks ago.0 -
well - Strava takes it's calories data from it's power calculation (or measured power if you have a power meter)...
I did quite a "workup" on how it does it somewhere... hang on, let me see if I can find it.
eta: here it is...One or two people may have noticed that the Calorie consumption figures for a given bike ride may well be different to the figures that are calculated using your Garmin or other Logging devices... I noticed this a while ago, and being the kind of numerically obsessed geek that I am, I decided to look into it further.
It is my contention that rather than simply taking the calorie calculation that your HRM/GPS logging device provides, Strava has taken upon itself to try and give what could potentially be a more accurate figure - certainly if the data logging device is a non heart-rate-monitor linked smartphone...
As I'm sure you have all noticed, Strava works out a "Virtual Power" figure for your ride, which is based on the speed you're riding at and the amount of up/down/steepness of gradients you have encountered. So, for the entire ride, Strava has a figure for the number of Watts of power you are "laying down". Therefore, it can also add this up and arrive at the number of total watts expended, which, divided by the number of seconds ridden, gives a total amount of energy expended in driving the bike and you along. (Basic Physics - 1 Joule = 1 watt per second).
So - to take a worked example - my Sunday ride from the 13th October 2013 - http://app.strava.com/activities/88753940 - we have a "Total Work" figure off 1,555 kJoules of energy needed to drive me and the bike around that particular route. Okay, so how do we get from that to Calories. Simples - google tells us that 1 joule = 0.239005736 calories. For the purposes of this calculation, lets simplify a little and just work to 4 decimal places shall we...
Therefore, the actual energy used to move me and the bike around was 1,555 *0.2390 = 371.645 kCalories.
Wait a Minute Mark, I hear you say... Strava reckons that you burned 1656 kCalories on that ride, not 372! ... What's going on ??
Again, it's a fairly simple thing. While the Pedal Cycle is a wonderfully efficient machine, the Human body is a lousy inefficient engine (some more than others - but I'll get to that later!) So, while I pushed out 372kCal of energy riding, I also wasted energy in sweating, in digesting my breakfast, in thinking about what I was going to have for dinner, worrying about if I'd get home in time to hand over a Turbo Trainer to Fran, producing Snot, My heart beating approximately 20,000 times, Talking to fellow cyclists, filling (and subsequently emptying) my bladder and 1001 other little things that the human body does while riding a bike that AREN'T directly related to shoving the pedals round. This is where things go from the directly measurable (because, in fairness, MY power figures WERE from a real Power Meter, rather than Strava's Guesstimates) to the "taking an average figure and hoping it's right"
So, let's call the difference between what you shove, and what you burn to shove it the "Metabolic Efficiency Factor" (or MEF for short, because I can't be doing with re-typing that again and again. Again, a quick Google seems to show that studies tend to put this MEF at somewhere between 20 and 25%... So - I did a little digging...
All this data is based on MY ride information over the last week or so...
I've basically used the Calories and Work figure to come out with the MEF that Strava is using... Allowing for Strava only displaying whole digit numbers, it would appear that the MEF for my rides seems to be coming out pretty consistently at 21.43%. Interestingly, the data also shows that its using the same figure for rides on my Roadbike (which has a power meter on), on the Indoor Trainer (which was taking power figures from the Indoor trainer's calculations of resistance) and from the MTB, where the power figures were wholely down to Strava's own power guessing routine...
Just for the sake of thoroughness, I also decided to have a look at a cross section of the members of the GS MyFitnessPal "club" and see if if this MEF changed (say, depending on Age, Gender, Height, Weight, Calculated Body Mass or any other wierd and wonderful way.)
NOPE. Same figure more or less... and that list covers a fair cross-section of ages, genders and body shapes I reckon... It appears that they've decided on a "one size fits all" approach...
Just out of interest, here's a good bit of data...
Calories 6621, Work 5938, 21.43%... want to know who that was... Laurens ten Dam - the Pro from the Belkin Team..
( http://app.strava.com/activities/86637795 for confirmation)
Now, call me a defeatist, but I seriously doubt that MY metabolic efficiency is likely to be exactly on a par with one of the better Pro's :laugh:
But, you may also have noticed another column in the first little chart I posted... The "Garmin Calories"...
Well, it's self explanatory I suppose - thats the calories that My Garmin read at the end of the ride. One thing to notice is - they're all over the shop... you'd expect them to be all either higher or all lower, or all somewhere near, wouldn't you...
So did I at first. Then I thought about it a little more. You see, a few months ago, I went and submitted myself to one of those "NewLeaf" Metabolic Profiling tests. There's a really good writeup on the DC Rainmaker blog if you want to know more about the test ( http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/01/look-at-testing-with-new-leaf-fitness.html ) - mine was much the same, but on a Wattbike rather than a treadmill thankfully.
The end result is a sort of "profile" of my metabolic efficiency factor, broken down into 10bpm "bands" so the Garmin knows that if my HR is showing between 80-89 bpm, i'm burning 6.76561kCals /minute of fat and a total of 9.02081 kCals, whereas between 140 and 149 i'm burning through 0.76040 kCals of fat and 13.80201 kcals in total. It has data for basically all points between 30bpm and something like 240bpm, though if I hit either of those figures, i'm sure my calorie expenditure would be the last thing on my mind.
I guess that all this waffle show is that estimating Calories from exercise is a) difficult b) an inexact science and c) if you give 5 people a chance to do the calculations, you'll get 5 different ways of performing the calculations and AT LEAST 5 different answers.
For me, I Have a sort of heirachy of how much I believe the data... From least belief to most it runs...
MFP's Guesstimates based on time of a "exercise"
Endomondo based on smartphone tracking but no HR data
GPS and HR tracked data
GPS / HR and POWER tracked data on a "Vanilla" Garmin Device
GPS / HR and POWER tracked data on a "NewLeaf Calibrated" Garmin Device
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But there's a REALLY good rule of thumb to work by... if you've got 2 or more different figures - LOG THE SMALLEST and err on the side of caution.0 -
Nice read. It would be interesting to pose some of your analysis to the programmers at Strava to see what they would say and/or perhaps explain how the algorithm is designed.
FWIW I think Strava does a decent job on their calories burned (based on my own comparisons of using other independent calculators and formulas).
I think your final comments of "estimating Calories from exercise is a) difficult b) an inexact science and c) if you give 5 people a chance to do the calculations, you'll get 5 different ways of performing the calculations and AT LEAST 5 different answers." is indeed the case.
I suppose you can argue food calories and macros are not a precise science either. My whole purpose to using MFP was more for general tracking and so far I'd say it's working pretty good (I had much more fluctuations in weight before I started tracking things). A look at the food consumption of the pros in a race like the TdF is something I find interesting--http://www.bicycling.com/garmin-insider/featured-stories/eating-tour-de-france0 -
A look at the food consumption of the pros in a race like the TdF is something I find interesting--http://www.bicycling.com/garmin-insider/featured-stories/eating-tour-de-france
Very interesting that; a different world isn't it?0 -
A look at the food consumption of the pros in a race like the TdF is something I find interesting--http://www.bicycling.com/garmin-insider/featured-stories/eating-tour-de-france
Very interesting that; a different world isn't it?
Yep. I use it as a model sometimes. Granted my high mileage weeks only typically last 2 or 3, but I do ramp up my calorie intake somewhat to the 3,000+ level to sustain. Anyone who is fairly active could learn something from the extreme ends of the spectrum. In my case it has to be systematically approached since I eat plant based. But there are a few pros that fit that mold also (David Zabriskie, etc.)0 -
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:grumble: It didn't work for me :grumble:0 -
My ride synced yesterday even upon a name change.
Today's run (where I change the activity upon the upload) did not sync. So I manually updated it.
I'm using a Garmin 500.0 -
I've had 2 days now, both with split rides, one of which I left "un-fiddled with" and the other I did a quick "edit" on one part or other of the data, and both parts of both rides "just posted".
Unfortunately, they all "just posted" with the same description - "Bicycling, 26-32 kph, very fast (cycling, biking, bike riding)" even though the average speeds of the rides were 23.1, 24.2, 24.1, 11.3 and 16.7kph... so, somewhere along the line there's still a little work needed to be done by MFP's code-monkeys I think...0 -
Still not working for me - I've contacted the Zen desk...0
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Just had a response from Strava's Zen desk:Sheila Fretwell, Jun 09 11:32 AM:
Hello Clive,
I'm sorry about that. We are aware of the issue and it's been escalated to our Engineering Team for investigation / resolution. I don't currently have an estimated date of resolution and we ask for your patience while we work on getting this fixed.
Again, my apologies for the inconvenience.
Regards,
Sheila
Strava Support Team
'least they are 'aware' of the issue now...0 -
they're usually pretty responsive over at Strava... certainly better than MFP ( and Way better than Garmin - and don't get me started on Tacx :laugh:)0
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... and don't get me started on Tacx :laugh:)
Many a true word said in jest! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
I have noticed that if you upload from a device to strava it will link to MFP and give you the time, speed, calorie count etc however if you use just the strava app it doesn't load the information into MFP.
Rode yesterday twice, and this morning with no strava to MFP upload. Seems like the app doesn't connect or is able to transfer the data.0 -
I have noticed that if you upload from a device to strava it will link to MFP and give you the time, speed, calorie count etc however if you use just the strava app it doesn't load the information into MFP.
Rode yesterday twice, and this morning with no strava to MFP upload. Seems like the app doesn't connect or is able to transfer the data.
One or two people have mentioned that it's working for them from the app (as it is with me - I tried a walk using strava to record, and it worked fine, if a little "optimistic" on the calories) - however, others have mentioned that if they record with the app, then change the "type" of the workout (say from ride to run) then it didn't update. I suppose this hit-and-miss nature is why MFP haven't Added Strava to their "Apps Partners" display yet - even though Strava have got their end of things opened up to them.0 -
The more people that report issues to Strava's 'ZenDesk', the quicker things will get resolved...
'Submit a request' here: https://strava.zendesk.com/home0 -
The more people that report issues to Strava's 'ZenDesk', the quicker things will get resolved...
'Submit a request' here: https://strava.zendesk.com/home
Good Idea Clive - as I say, I've tested it on both things and (apart from over-reporting my speed, which I think may be a Strava API thing (in that they don't open up the calculated average speed and rely on the linking company to calculate from the raw data) it's pretty much "just worked"... at least with either a Garmin 800 or the Strava Android App...0 -
I think this issue is getting resolved. Today my run was posted to MFP (as a ride before I changed the activity type to running). So it appears everything is getting posted over. I suppose it's best to have both tabs up when you upload to Strava to check to see if the details are correct (i.e. mine posted as a ride so I had to delete the sync on MFP and repost manually).0
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The Cyclemeter recorded stuff now appears to be propagating to MFP, however, I don't know where the calorie numbers are coming from
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The link worked fine for me yesterday.
However Strava said I burned 390 calories
and MFP said I burned 474.
Other than that I love the Strava app!0
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