The "easy" way out

loriloftness
loriloftness Posts: 476 Member
A person I know indicates having WLS is taking the "easy" way out. I thought I had a response for that comment. Committing to a surgery and then a life style of very limited eating of healthy food is not really easy, plus I will still need to exercise. The person than wanted to know why I couldn't just commit to limited eating of healthy food now with exercise and skip the surgery. I was sort of at a loss for a response and then it made me start to question myself. Obviously if I could limit my food intake and eat healthy & exercise now I wouldn't need the surgery. But for some reason, I seem unable to do that. But if I am unable to do it now, why do I think that I can do it after surgery? I felt like I was building momentum towards a successful surgery and a better and healthier life afterwards, but now I'm feeling a little unsure of my decision. I'd welcome some words of wisdom.

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  • bikermike5094
    bikermike5094 Posts: 1,752 Member
    as i go forward with pre op appts.. i ask myself the same question every day. I dont really want the surgery, honeslty who would want 2/3 of their perfectly good stomach cut out? my mind says i just have a lack of will power.. well at 48 and 312 lbs, i've had that same lack of will power for over 20 years. surgery seems like a way to force myself into controlling my eating.
  • Thaeda
    Thaeda Posts: 834 Member
    I am sure you will get all kinds of posts about how surgery is not the easy way out... this is not one of them. My approach is a little different-- who CARES? If there were an easy way to lose weight, who WOULDN'T do it???!!! How do diet pills and approaches make big $$$$$$$? By saying how "easy" it is, how fat just "melts off" and blah blah blah. If people who are looking to lose weight were not looking to do it easily, then none of those "quick fix" diets or products would make much money-- but you know they do.

    I had surgery for me. It is no one's biz what I did or why I did it. I am taking care of my health-- period. I chose VSG after decades of yo-yo dieting. i did it fully aware of the risks. I am very glad I did it. If I would have been able to just eat less without surgery, obviously I would have done it. EZ way or no, it has worked for me (at least it has so far-- I am 4.5 months out).
  • katematt313
    katematt313 Posts: 624 Member
    The issue is not that this person thinks that VSG is the easy way out.

    The issue is that you have to be sure that you want it, that it is for you, and be able to convey that to the people who you choose to tell about your decision. If you can't articulate a good reason for why you need VSG, then maybe you are not ready!

    Also - there are a lot of people out there who will rain on your parade. Half of them don't know what they are talking about, and the other half have their own reasons for wanting things to stay status quo, IMHO.

    For me: I have been fat my entire life. I have tried everything and nothing has worked. I cannot afford to be fat any longer. This is the only way I can lose weight and be healthy.

    I had VSG, and it is the best health decision I ever made. Hands down. I have no regrets!
  • MyOwnSunshine
    MyOwnSunshine Posts: 1,312 Member
    My response is similar to Thaeda's response.

    I don't feel the need to convince everyone in the world that WLS is the best solution for weight loss. I researched and weighed the evidence and believed that it would be the best solution for me. That is all I needed.

    If you have not tried multiple times to lose weight with varied strategies, you should probably do that before having WLS. If, like me, you have lost and regained more than 250 pounds in your adult life trying to lose weight and keep it off, then WLS is a logical, rational solution.

    You don't need to convince others that your choice is right. You only need to convince yourself, and frankly, I don't think WLS is right for everyone.
  • authorwriter
    authorwriter Posts: 323 Member
    Despite all the information out there, most people do not understand the mechanics, nor the science behind weight loss and gain, the effect of hormones, age, illness, disability, metabolism, and a host of other factors has on both. For anybody who can diet in a conventional way and get that weight off and keep it off, I say, "OMG! You are so fortunate! DO IT!"

    I've kept this surgery to myself and my very immediate family and a couple of trusted friends because life is too short for me to spend it answering kneejerk commentary about how I took 'the easy way out'. Walk a mile in my Dr. Scholls, then we'll talk about what's right for me.

    WLS is more than just restriction. It affects a host of other functions that likewise contribute to the loss. Because the mathematics of calories in vs. calories out tell me there is no way I can be losing at the rate I am. There have to be other factors at work and WLS brings those other factors into play.

    You do what is best for you, whether that is WLS or some other path to your goal. I wish you well on your journey.
  • garber6th
    garber6th Posts: 1,890 Member
    I had one person tell me flat out that WLS is a cop-out, and others ask me why I didn't think I could just do it on my own. My reply was always, this is a decision that I made with the help of my doctor and other medical professionals, and it's the right decision for me. I didn't offer any further explanation or justification. I was not obligated to, and neither are you.

    I agree with authorwriter that most people are clueless about the whole process of WLS, from getting to the place of feeling that you want it or need it, to life after surgery. If people genuinely want to know what I have gone through I have no problem sharing my experience. I think once people see that it can be successful and people can get their health and quality of life back, they change their tune. That said - this is something you are doing for yourself. Don't let anyone take anything away from the hard work it took for you to get to the point where you knew you wanted to make a change for the better, whatever that may be!
  • pawoodhull
    pawoodhull Posts: 1,759 Member
    And here's yet another angle. My primary care physican (PCP) told me years ago that once you hit a certain point in obesity, diet and exercise alone no longer help. My bariatric surgeon's office has a non-surgical weight loss plan too. I asked about it rather than the surgery and he told me the same thing my PCP did. Now I can't speak for anyone else, but at 386 pounds with my mobility all but gone, I was way past that point. Surgery was the ONLY way for me to have a chance of losing the weight.

    We all know this isn't the easy way out. We all also know that if we could have done it with diet and exercise alone, we would have. Fact is, we were obese because we couldn't do it with diet and exercise alone. So the surgery was necessary for us. Nothing wrong with that. Surgery fixes physical problems. Whether it's a broken bone, a ruptured spleen, etc., surgery is a tool to fix it. This surgery fixed me and gave me a tool to use to lose the weight, regain my mobility and improve my quality of life. Easy? No. Doable? Yes. And as long I continue to use this tool I will get the weight off and I will keep it off.
  • murphyraven
    murphyraven Posts: 163 Member
    But if I am unable to do it now, why do I think that I can do it after surgery? I felt like I was building momentum towards a successful surgery and a better and healthier life afterwards, but now I'm feeling a little unsure of my decision. I'd welcome some words of wisdom.

    This is a big part of my fears as well. I have had success in almost every diet I have tried.. for a little while. And then old habits creep back in, or the diet becomes too hard to maintain. I gain all my weight back and then add on a little more. I've done this cycle so many times and I have a large fear of failing after WLS.

    I have lost 10 lbs in a month just trying to eat "better" and working towards how I will need to eat after surgery. A part of me says, why can't I just continue to lose weight like this? I am hoping my committing myself to VSG and following the program with my doctors that This will be my long term answer.

    Phentermine helped me the most to lose weight while I was on it because it took away my head hunger. But it's not something I could maintain once off the drug and not something I could take long term. I've read from several people that WLS does not take away head hunger. I will need to put in a LOT of work in figuring out how to avoid triggers and recognize emotional/boredom hunger over real hunger. The sleeve will be my backup support, my tool to help curb overeating, but I will also continue to use MFP to log and support groups to keep me on the path towards my goal.
  • paul87920
    paul87920 Posts: 165 Member
    A person I know indicates having WLS is taking the "easy" way out. I thought I had a response for that comment. Committing to a surgery and then a life style of very limited eating of healthy food is not really easy, plus I will still need to exercise. The person than wanted to know why I couldn't just commit to limited eating of healthy food now with exercise and skip the surgery. I was sort of at a loss for a response and then it made me start to question myself. Obviously if I could limit my food intake and eat healthy & exercise now I wouldn't need the surgery. But for some reason, I seem unable to do that. But if I am unable to do it now, why do I think that I can do it after surgery? I felt like I was building momentum towards a successful surgery and a better and healthier life afterwards, but now I'm feeling a little unsure of my decision. I'd welcome some words of wisdom.

    Weight loss surgery isn't a way out. It's a tool, and in order for that tool to work, you have to do your part. I want to meet the person who believes that any kind of surgery is "easy".

    Pre-op, you have to lose weight to shrink your liver and prove that you're prepared to make the lifestyle changes. I personally had to drop 30 pounds in two weeks on what is essentially medically supervised starvation. I'm sure you'll be doing something similar if you haven't already.

    Post-op, while your body readjusts and adapts to your new lifestyle, you're changing both physically and mentally. If you approach WLS as a tool to help you achieve success, you're more likely to succeed. If you approach it as a solution to your problems, you're more likely to fail. People who have this surgery and approach it like it's an easy way out, fail. I've met a number of people that didn't get it on their first time around and now they're back for a second procedure.

    I'm also learning that all of these opinionated blowhards may be smaller than me, but that it doesn't necessarily make them qualified to say anything on the topic of personal health. All you have to tell that person is that people who look at WLS as an easy way out typically fail, and those who look at WLS as a tool that requires 100% commitment from the patient typically succeed.

    As far as the person's follow up question is concerned, WLS provides accountability. There's no room for slacking. There's no such thing as cheat days. If you decide that you're going to have a candy bar you'll pay dearly. Food addiction is different from any other type of addiction. We have to eat to survive. A person who gives up an addiction to cocaine, can't do just a little cocaine and be okay. Same with cigarettes, alcohol, or heroin. We still need food. So while we're recovering from what is sometimes a lifetime of bad habits, we need the assistance while we relearn.
  • paul87920
    paul87920 Posts: 165 Member
    This is a big part of my fears as well. I have had success in almost every diet I have tried.. for a little while. And then old habits creep back in, or the diet becomes too hard to maintain. I gain all my weight back and then add on a little more. I've done this cycle so many times and I have a large fear of failing after WLS.

    You should ask yourself a few questions. 1) How long do your typical diets last? 2) What typically causes you to stop?

    For me, I was on my best behavior usually for a month or two until I plateaued. Once I stopped seeing results, I would give up. Plateauing was my brick wall.

    WLS was the right choice for me because not only is it long term, but as I see the results I'm more inclined to work harder. Also, there's a snowball effect. The more I lose, the more I'm physically able to do. Cute clothes, riding all of the roller coaster rides, buying smaller cars instead of being relegated to my PT Cruiser (my fat mobile)

    Once you're life gets better and you lose a substantial amount of weight, you're not going to want to return to your old ways. You're going to be far too busy living life to the fullest.
  • weeziebeth
    weeziebeth Posts: 168 Member
    Many things scare me about WLS, the ability to eat around the sleeve included....and maybe even primarily. It is something I am not at all certain I can do. But that's part of what the pre-op process is about. I am glad for my insurance's 3-6 month medically supervised diet period...it is a good time to think, work at the process, and decide if this really is the right solution for me. All of that notwithstanding...anyone who classifies WLS as 'the easy way out' is, forgive my language, a putz. This is not a decision easily arrived at, unless you have a quack surgeon which i doubt. The decision you make to have WLS is one done in consultation with healthcare providers who want the best chance at success against a very difficult problem.
  • cutty805
    cutty805 Posts: 54
    What your feeling is definitely common leading up to surgery from the people I talked to. I was starting to second guess my decision with just a few weeks until surgery. I thought "I just dropped 30 pounds like nothing" but then I started thinking about how many years of dieting and weight gain I've gone through a and there is no way I'm going another 10 years of being uncomfortable in my own skin. I think we all have a motivating factor that pushed us toward the surgery. For me it was my daughters and the fact I couldn't ride a roller coaster with them, or that it was getting impossible to sit in a booth at a restaurant. Every time I felt a doubt I just imagined how much better my quality of life could be. As far as this being an easy way out I have two thoughts on that. In one aspect it's not the easy way out, it's gonna take hard work and changing the way you live forever, nothing is the same after you leave that operating room. It also is the best tool you'll ever have to lose weight, you'll never be able to eat the way you used to and "messing up" on the diet isn't an option after surgery without paying a price. I had my sleeve on 5/5/14 and have lost 45 pounds since surgery (about 6 weeks) and a total of 75 pounds since starting the program in January, I have absolutely no questions I made the right decision. This group is awesome for insight, inspiration and answers. Good luck on your journey and I wish you much success with whatever you decide!
  • Ive had a couple of people give me that response too...just happened to be those naturally skinny people I want to door as I drive by lol. Seriously though all the responses above are great. I too had a few doubt creep in, but in the end I had tried all the "hard" ways and had lost the weight several times...each ending in regains. I couldn't face doing it again without a tool to help me keep it off. You have to be willing to work it in order for it to work for you. It's a decision you have to make for your self for your own reasons or it will never work. This group is a great group for advice and support...Im starting to think people who get the VSG done are just great human beings. Good luck in whatever you decide...just make sure its your choice. PS after reading these post tomorrow I will start logging my exercise too...thanks
  • bikrchk
    bikrchk Posts: 516 Member
    My response to that is "How in the world does MY decision to get healthy, regardless of the vehicle my Dr. and I choose to get me there, diminish the effort it takes to get there"? "Any why do you CARE?" "Does it diminish you, personally in any way"? "Are you in some strange competition with me where I "win" and you "lose" if I meet my health goals?" I think not!
  • loriloftness
    loriloftness Posts: 476 Member
    Thank you all for your words of wisdom and for the support. I have been dieting on & off for decades. I sometimes have short term success, but never long term... and have ended up gaining more so I would weigh more than I started at. I do exercise but as heavy as I currently am, it is a painful and unpleasant activity. I don't know why I let what other people think get into my head-- it must be the "pleaser' personality I have. I originally made the decision to have the sleeve because my health has been deteriorating and losing weight is no longer optional, but mandetory if I want to live a long life. I truly believe this is the right choice for me and I have decided I am not going to let anyone else try to tell me what I should do or how I do it. Again, thank you so much for your words of support. They really have helped get my head back into the right mindset for my new and healthy life.
  • aylajane
    aylajane Posts: 979 Member
    WLS is a tool, not a solution. It is the same as following WW or taking diet pills or using a stairclimber - if you eat less than you burn you lose weight. Surgery helps you eat less. If you cant do that on your own, you find the tool to help you. WW would be out of business if people thought it was an "easy way out" (and some do...) - but it is not. They just find a way to make it easier for some people to eat less by distracting them with the "points" and making them count something other than calories. Some people need that. Some dont.

    You could also mow your lawn with fingernail clippers and a lot of time... but if you have access to a lawnmower, certainly you would use it. You could change your own oil instead of paying an auto place to do it, but almost everyone takes "the easy way" out on that too. Having access to "tools" or methods or help is not a cop out... it is making the most of your time and maximizing your chance of success. Different tools work for different people. For some, WLS is the tool they need. Only you can decide that for yourself, and in the end what others think means absolutely nothing.
  • My doctor doesn't even use the term "weight loss surgery." He considers himself a metabolic specialist. Metabolic syndrome encompasses a multitude of symptoms and health problems, only one of which is (sometimes) obesity. Just Google the term and you'll find many articles (such as the one below) on the subject.

    http://www.bariatricnews.net/?q=opinionblog/11851/what-“metabolic-surgery”

    I'm a good example. I would have been considered a lightweight in the bariatic surgery world. At 52 years old, I was approx 80# overweight. But I tried, literally, for 30+ years to lose that weight. At 5'3" that was a lot of strain on my body. I had high cholesteral, high BP (was on two different BP meds), sleep apnea, and was starting to think I had arthritis my joints ached so much. I had the start of urinary incontinance, very much weight related, not "normal aging" as some would say. I had a family history of stroke and heart disease. I tried to do it "on my own" numerous times, with limited or very short term success. Surgery allowed me to reverse ALL of that! No more meds of any kind - normal BP - no more C-pap machine. No joint pain, no more "leaks" when I sneeze or laugh! I still have more to lose, but I'm half-way there and even at that relatively slow pace, all of those conditions have been reversed.

    If vanity had been my only issue I would not have had surgery. Although I will say size 8 jeans are a whole lot more fun to wear than size 18's!

    It isn't a quick fix - I worked hard and need to get back to working hard to finish this journey. The first 40# was for my health - the next 40 is for me! I now weigh what I weighed in High school, for the first time in 40 years! So happy I did this and have this wonderful tool in my arsenal.

    Good luck with your decision, but it is one you alone (with your doc) needs to make!
  • juliebccs
    juliebccs Posts: 233
    Is it easy? Well it is easier. Tools tend to do that. Necessity however is the mother of invention. My response. The people who love me see me happy and are happy for me. . What more could I want. Judge me while I run on my treadmill, play sport, travel with less pain and buy my new clothes. Judge me all you want while my health improves and my life becomes mine again. Judge me when I play with my grandchildren in the future. I will probably be too busy to notice.:-D
  • relentless2121
    relentless2121 Posts: 431 Member
    My response. The people who love me see me happy and are happy for me. . What more could I want. Judge me while I run on my treadmill, play sport, travel with less pain and buy my new clothes. Judge me all you want while my health improves and my life becomes mine again. Judge me when I play with my grandchildren in the future. I will probably be too busy to notice.:-D
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    WELL SAID JULIEBCCS. :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:
  • JenaOnTrack74
    JenaOnTrack74 Posts: 443 Member
    Every time see this subject come up I think of DJRonnieLINY response in a similar thread:




    " * I know a few people who have pacemakers - guess they are cheating, should have stronger heart
    * I know a few people taking anti-depressants - guess they are cheating, weak minded
    * I know a few people with false teeth - guess they are cheating, didn't brush and floss enough
    * I know a few people who did invitro - guess they are cheating, didn't try hard enough
    * I know a few people who had knee/hip replacement - guess they are cheating, should just limp on through
    * I know a few people who color their hair - guess they are cheating fakes, we should just go grey

    I can go on, and, on ...... I freely tell people that I needed a first step to help me control my hunger and eating. I explain that the surgery simply limits my capacity to eat but that my weight loss and current appearance is the result of my hard work since the operation. Responses have been completely positive. "

    Really love that answer Ronnie!!:wink:


    Don't worry about what others think they are not the ones who are living in YOUR body or will have to live with the problems/weight related diseases, that will undoubtedly come over time. I love all the responses here! I myself will take the opinions of people who have been there done that and most importantly have been SUCCESSFUL, over someone who is uneducated about WLS.

    Good Luck to you!
  • Losing_Sarah
    Losing_Sarah Posts: 279 Member
    Surgery for has made weight loss easier. I mean, I've been trying to do it "the right way" with "will power" for 20 years and have been unsuccessful. Should I have just kept trying while being severely uncomfortable in my 5'4.5" - 315 pound body that could barely more around? Of course not. Surgery is an option, and for me, I had insurance that covered it, went through the process, and although I am still in the losing process I have my life back thanks to surgery.

    People who say that are uneducated about WLS. While it makes the weight loss easier initially there is A LOT about it all that is HARD!

    I personally keep my surgery secret from people except my hubby, and a couple other family members, but if I did tell people and I got that response I'd simply say,

    "Well, diet and exercise hasn't worked for 20 years. WLS will absolutely make losing easier initially, but there is still a lot of hard work that goes into it. Also, unless you've been in my morbidly obese shoes, specifically, you have no idea how badly I needed this tool so I could get my life back" - I would also not say this in a "rude" tone, but as nicely as I can. I am looking for supporters and to educate people, not drive them away.

    Don't let someones ignorance get to you or second guess your decision. There is an unnecessary stigma that comes with WLS, so I get how you feel, but I realized that I just needed to do it if I wanted to be healthier/have a better quality of life.

    Hang in there and good luck with the process.
  • grim_traveller
    grim_traveller Posts: 625 Member
    Losing weight when you are morbidly obese has nothing to do with willpower. Your body has gone through fundamental physiologic, metabolic and endocrine changes that no amount of willpower will fix. WLS does.

    If you are Type 2 diabetic, surgery will most likely fix your diabetes. Overnight. No amount of willpower will do that. That's a fundamental hormonal change from WLS.

    There are lots of other changes surgery has on your body just as profound. They have nothing to do with having a smaller stomach and being able to eat less. If that was all they did, the band would work. Surgery does so much more. Your body is different in so many ways.
  • Cheryl188
    Cheryl188 Posts: 113 Member
    This has been one of the best advice threads I've read in ages! I'm on the wait list (Canada) for my WLS and this same thing has crossed my mind. I sometimes think "Maybe if I just 'this' or maybe if I just 'that' I will be able to lose the extra 200lbs.
    Thank you all for your perspective. Although I will likely question myself until they put me under, I know I'm making the right decision.
  • grim_traveller
    grim_traveller Posts: 625 Member
    I think that every one of us believed that we could do it "on our own." Most consider surgery, maybe go to information seminars, and decide to do it without surgery. Many lose some weight, often a lot. But then the weight creeps back, and we weigh more than ever before. Finally, a year, or two or five later, we give in, and have surgery. And afterward, we all say we wish we had done it years earlier.
  • DJRonnieLINY
    DJRonnieLINY Posts: 475 Member
    I am really glad that little post touched you Jena!

    A point to consider would be that people make this comment intending to hurt. For many who struggle with weight the insinuation that you are "lazy" or "just eat too much" or "won't exercise" hits deep and provokes an emotional response. I suggest you don't give them that power. BE PROUD of your decision to make a change, a permanent change. We know it's not the easy way so why do we care if others say so? And besides, what's wrong with taking an easier path if it's effective?

    In America we celebrate those that "Build a better mousetrap". Thank you to the brilliant doctors who developed the Bypass and for those who evolved that idea into the VSG. This new "easy" way is saving thousands of lives - pretty dam good for a shortcut!
  • lbrown1428
    lbrown1428 Posts: 116 Member
    I myself ask myself if I'm taking the easy way out. I found myself saying it before J ever considered surgery. I have been obese and overweight since having my first child at the age of 16. I'm barely 5 ft tall and am currently 214 lbs. I have tried losing weight. We clean eat at my house. My problem is grazing and skipping meals then eating large portions later in the evenings. I have worked out multiple times a week and nothing seemed to help. I'm sure my small town will have a lot to say about me having surgery, but I've come to realize it's only a tool and not the easy way out. I will have to eat the right way and workout daily to get the weight off and keep it off.
  • aylajane
    aylajane Posts: 979 Member
    I myself ask myself if I'm taking the easy way out.

    Even if you were... which surgery is most definitely not... the best answer? "So what?" Doing it the "hard way out" will not make me a better person in the end. The destination is the same, the road travelled is less relevant.

    If you are trying to reach a destination, and there is a shorter route that is a little bumpier but cuts out half the time and eliminates a ton of stoplights (the hard way is full of these :) ) - wouldnt you at least consider the benefits of taking it?!

    Unless its somehow going to directly affect THEIR life, why should they care what (safe) method you use to save your own life?! All roads have trade-offs and risks, YOU decide which road is the best option for YOU.
  • lucyw70
    lucyw70 Posts: 37 Member
    My doctor explained it to me this way and I really connected with it. This surgery is a "tool" you still have to do the work and eat healthy. If a man were drowning would you say hey let me teach you how to swim or would you throw him a life vest to save his life and then teach him how to swim?

    This surgery is my life vest. Yes I have lost and gained for my entire life. Lost 100 pounds in my 30's following Weight Watchers and exercise. I have been on the yo yo train my whole life and as I get older the harder it is to lose the weight and the more health problems I have. Only you know what is best for you in your life and your journey. Try to let comments like that roll off of your back that person doesn't know where you are on your journey. In the end you have to be happy with yourself and other's opinions of you are not as important as your opinion of yourself. :smile: