I have some newbie questions

Quinnstinct
Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
Hi, I'm in the middle of on-ramp at a new box (the first time I tried xfit was in October but my knees forced me to stop) and while I'm picking up on some things quickly, I'm just not getting others.

What is the move where you dead lift then heave up your shoulder and pop your hips and tuck your elbows under and bring the bar to your neck/chest? I just can't get it- I keep swinging the bar far out from my body trying to use my (non-existent) arm strength rather than my body. Any advice?

What websites/ videos do you recommend to teach and learn the basic moves? I'm getting a ton of 1:1 help and advice in class but I'd like to reinforce what I learn between sessions and just be able to put the names with the moves!

I tried hanging from the bar last night. I made it maybe 3 seconds before it felt like my arms were being pulled painfully and more so, my hands HURT!! I have a lot of weight to lose and soft hands so that's part of the problem but what is the best way, in the meantime, to start building up the ability to just hang so eventually I can more forward?

Plus any other advice is more than welcome! Thanks! Lauren

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  • Howbouto
    Howbouto Posts: 2,121 Member
    I finished by on ramp in December, started regular classes in January. I, as well, still have a lot of weight to lose. I could have written this whole post 8 months ago :).

    With that being said, the complex olymipic lifts take time to master. Work on your form first, then add weight. I am just to the point I am doing the power clean (I believe this is what you are describing) correclty and I'm starting to add weight.

    The best way to build grip strength, is by hanging from the bar. I bought a pull up bar for home and hung on it a bit daily. It is not my strong suit but it is better than I was initally. You can do farmer carries (carry 2 kettlebells for distance) and I've been told that increases grip strength.

    Keep at everything, it does get better with pratice. Once it does you'll find something new to work on, that's the beauty of crossfit.
  • Hi Lauren!

    Olympic Lifting is probably my favorite thing about CrossFit. Since the movements in Olympic lifting are so technical it may take some time to get the movements down. I've been doing CrossFit now for almost 2 years and I'm still working on my technique.

    I believe that your talking about the Olympic movement The Clean. As far as videos go, California Strength have a Youtube channel where they post training videos, which is the best pre-workout in my opinion. They've also posted videos How-To videos on Olympic Lifting movements like the Clean.

    Here's links to the Cal Strength videos (the videos are in different parts) :

    Clean, Part 1, How To, Olympic Weightlifting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEyoH5FV03s
    Clean, Part 2, How To, Olympic Weightlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AaSNARQPfE
    Clean, Part 3, How To, Olympic Weightlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHuiw4GvB0g

    The second part of the Olympic movement is the Jerk.
    Here's some videos How-To videos if you would like to see the Jerk progression :

    How to Jerk - The Cal Strength Jerk Progression, Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuBFnKvGwhg
    How to Jerk, Part 2 - The Cal Strength Jerk Progression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc_JxaBWQLE


    Here's some How-To videos on the other Olympic Lifting movement, the Snatch:

    Snatch, Part 1, How To, Olympic Weightlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SjuAOjMEk
    Snatch, Part 2, How To, Olympic Weightlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4DlbzKziJM
    Snatch, Part 3, How To, Olympic Weightlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOEVmzKUhQ0


    Here's a video by Team USA on the Clean and Jerk:

    Olympic Coaching Tips: Clean and Jerk in Slo Mo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc-0lFV1KWQ


    I also really like the YouTube channel Barbell Shrugged. They do a lot of podcasts but they have a video segment called Technique WOD where they teach different movements. Here's their videos on The Clean progression:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEZx3PmXU4c&list=PLI9OxtiOLZQg1W4_l8Dm9eQp2vI1kYaSa


    As far as your hurting hands it sounds like grip strength which will help with all your lifts. Here's an article from Tabata Times on how to develop your grip strength:

    http://www.tabatatimes.com/grip-strength/


    I hope these videos/articles help! Let me know if they do! Sorry I didn't really give you any advice on the Clean. I don't want to tell you wrong information/tips, but with the Clean it's important to stay back/keep your weight on your heels rather than on your toes. Drive through your heels! It's important to keep the bar close to your body. That's where you get your power. When the bar gets away from your body you lose that power. The power is in your hips! Make sure you keep the bar in contact with your hips!
  • ashlando
    ashlando Posts: 125 Member
    Give yourself time to learn form on the oly lifts. You are talking about a power clean and those take a lot of time and practice! I am coming up on my 1 year crossfit anniversary and I am still working on form, especially when the weight gets heavy. The clean is a tough and very technical move because it requires explosive hips and quick elbows to get under the bar. Keep at it and don't get discouraged!

    Grip strength is TOUGH, especially for us ladies! One thing to try when hanging from the bar is to engage your lats. Don't just hang loosely from the bar but try to engage your back and shoulder muscles. You'll feel yourself rise up about an inch or so when you are doing it. You'll feel the pressure lessen a bit. Your coach can instruct you - work up to 10 and try to do them every day.

    Farmer carries are great - definitely try to go heavy on these (heavier than you would on a KB swing for sure). They will tax your grip but that is what will make it stronger. Another thing that helps are WODs that call for unbroken lifts where you cannot re-grip the bar in between reps. This helps a lot, too! And deadlifts!
  • gweneddk
    gweneddk Posts: 183 Member
    Work on the hang clean first if you can't get proper form from the floor. You might try doing a quick set of KB swings or Romanian deadlifts before you do cleans to practice popping your hips forward explosively.

    My personal solution for practicing cleans if I'm using too much arm is to put more weight on the bar--that way it will be impossible to finish the lift without hip drive. Not all coaches will agree but it works for me! Then when I get the form down I can always take weight off the bar again.

    Grip strength: farmer walks and deadlifts.
  • Quinnstinct
    Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
    Awesome! So much good advice. We started the clean from a bunch of different positions (high hang, hang, low hang, below knee, power position) and learned to get to those positions before even cleaning (I hope I'm saying this correctly).

    I think the grip thing is just going to take time- I remember being a little kid when the monkey bars were fun and not hand torture.

    It's very interesting to watch people do a move beautifully, learn step by step to do the move, understand it conceptually then have your body do something else!

    I'm going to look at all those links and keep going slow. Thank you all!
  • FWMagicMike
    FWMagicMike Posts: 113 Member
    Does your box subscribe to WODIFY? ours does. It is where you can log in your results, as a gym. The cool thing about Wodify is that it is also an app for your phone AND there is a video library of a bunch of different movements. If your box doesn't have WODIFY, see if it has a similar app so you can check out some great movements. :)
  • ascrit
    ascrit Posts: 770 Member
    L-Train, in addition to the videos already mentioned you may benefit from checking some of these out:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FITrTV/playlists
  • tuskegee4
    tuskegee4 Posts: 110 Member
    We use an app called SugarWod at my box for logging workouts. App also has instructional videos for movements. This app is free, but I'm sure there are others out there.
  • JoeMO
    JoeMO Posts: 524 Member
    I just joined Cross fit a couple weeks back and appreciate all these suggestions as well. Thanks Joe MO
  • kwoww9797
    kwoww9797 Posts: 29 Member
    HELLO! I have been doing crossfit for about 7 weeks! I love the challange, but feel you about the grip stuff! I have super sensitive hands, and remember when I first started, it wasn't that I couldn't do the movements, but my hands hurt so bad I couldn't hang on!!! LOL

    When I went in to learn the cleans and jerks and snatches, I could hardly grip my steering wheel driving home! It hurt sooo bad.

    I still have issues with my grip, but will tell you, that in time, it will get better! You just have to push through the pain first!

    Good Luck!

    Kat
  • Quinnstinct
    Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
    Another question:

    We did kettle bells today and the lightest they have is 35lbs which is way way too heavy for me right now. How very gauche would it be to ask if I could donate a lighter maybe 20lb one to the gym. Using a dumbbell was so awkward and it's going to take me time to get form then stronger and I can't be the only out of shape person. Or is that rude?
  • Quinnstinct
    Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
    Or is there a reason to start with 35lbs? The one other time I used kettlebells I used a lighter one. . .
  • ascrit
    ascrit Posts: 770 Member
    Another question:

    We did kettle bells today and the lightest they have is 35lbs which is way way too heavy for me right now. How very gauche would it be to ask if I could donate a lighter maybe 20lb one to the gym. Using a dumbbell was so awkward and it's going to take me time to get form then stronger and I can't be the only out of shape person. Or is that rude?

    I find it odd that the gym doesn't have a kettlebell lighter than 35 lbs. But I don't see any reason why you can't bring your own. Would you feel weird bringing your own jump rope? Same thing.
  • Quinnstinct
    Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
    I just thought I'd bring one or two and leave them there for whomever to use (granted I have no clue what a kettlebell costs nor where to buy one). It's a really small box and they just moved so I bet they are building up to more 'stuff', or I could just ask!
  • ascrit
    ascrit Posts: 770 Member
    It is nice that you are willing to share your equipment like that. You are a good egg!! :flowerforyou:
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    Hi, I'm in the middle of on-ramp at a new box (the first time I tried xfit was in October but my knees forced me to stop) and while I'm picking up on some things quickly, I'm just not getting others.

    What is the move where you dead lift then heave up your shoulder and pop your hips and tuck your elbows under and bring the bar to your neck/chest? I just can't get it- I keep swinging the bar far out from my body trying to use my (non-existent) arm strength rather than my body. Any advice?

    What websites/ videos do you recommend to teach and learn the basic moves? I'm getting a ton of 1:1 help and advice in class but I'd like to reinforce what I learn between sessions and just be able to put the names with the moves!

    I tried hanging from the bar last night. I made it maybe 3 seconds before it felt like my arms were being pulled painfully and more so, my hands HURT!! I have a lot of weight to lose and soft hands so that's part of the problem but what is the best way, in the meantime, to start building up the ability to just hang so eventually I can more forward?

    Plus any other advice is more than welcome! Thanks! Lauren

    You are referring to a power clean. My advice would be to keep doing it and have your coaches help you focus on form. I did the EXACT same thing you describe when I started and have made a lot of technical improvements and have many more to go.

    I just did a snatch workout at Crossfit OBX when I was on vacation and I think the advice he gave us for a hang snatch would help, just apply it to a hang clean.

    Get the bar tucked into the power position (right at your hips) and stand up straight. Then bend your knees every so slightly. Lower the bar until it's just above your knees. This is the hang position. Then extend your hips FIRST and when the bar is back in the power straighten your knees and lean back a bit. This gives the bar a clean, straight path to travel upwards. Then you fire your elbows forward and catch it.

    The part that no one had ever told me was "keep our knees bent until AFTER you straighten your hips." Great piece of advice.

    Hanging from the bar is a good move as well. If you can, you want to try to tighten your shoulders a bit. So if you are just hanging fully extended, just slightly tense up your shoulders to pull yourself up an inch. This is the starting position for a pull up or any kipping move. Those are a ways off, I know, but it's good practice to build that strength slowly and steadily. Added bonus your grip strength will improve as well.

    The best way to improve is do what you are doing. Hang as long as you can. Rest. Do it again. Do that every night after your workouts and try to add a second to each hang.

    Good luck and keep your knees healthy!
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    Another question:

    We did kettle bells today and the lightest they have is 35lbs which is way way too heavy for me right now. How very gauche would it be to ask if I could donate a lighter maybe 20lb one to the gym. Using a dumbbell was so awkward and it's going to take me time to get form then stronger and I can't be the only out of shape person. Or is that rude?

    Bring your own, no one will mind. If you are donating it I'm sure they will love you for it.

    One more thing, take a look at Starting Strength by Mark Ripptoe if you want a good book on lifting. He covers power cleans, squats, bench, deadlifts and shoulder presses. Great guide to form, how to set up in front of the bar, etc.
  • JoeMO
    JoeMO Posts: 524 Member
    QUESTION: Pull ups. I'm too weak and heavy in my upper body, not flexible enough in my lower body to get my feet in the bands. Suggestions on another exercise or anything that will help me. Today I did a variation of a low row using rings. Thanks

    Sorry may have found answer on youtube, but still open to suggestions. On youtube the person put their knee through the loop instead of their foot. I'm going to try that next time
  • Howbouto
    Howbouto Posts: 2,121 Member
    QUESTION: Pull ups. I'm too weak and heavy in my upper body, not flexible enough in my lower body to get my feet in the bands. Suggestions on another exercise or anything that will help me. Today I did a variation of a low row using rings. Thanks

    Sorry may have found answer on youtube, but still open to suggestions. On youtube the person put their knee through the loop instead of their foot. I'm going to try that next time

    You can also do negative (you jump then lower yourself down to starting position). However, honestly I find ring rows work better than negatives.
  • gweneddk
    gweneddk Posts: 183 Member
    Another question:

    We did kettle bells today and the lightest they have is 35lbs which is way way too heavy for me right now. How very gauche would it be to ask if I could donate a lighter maybe 20lb one to the gym. Using a dumbbell was so awkward and it's going to take me time to get form then stronger and I can't be the only out of shape person. Or is that rude?

    I find it odd that the gym doesn't have a kettlebell lighter than 35 lbs. But I don't see any reason why you can't bring your own. Would you feel weird bringing your own jump rope? Same thing.

    Were you doing kettlebell swings? It does seem a little odd that they don't have anything lighter, but most people can probably get a chest level swing with 35# once they get the form right (ie; it may be more of a form issue than a strength issue).
  • gweneddk
    gweneddk Posts: 183 Member
    QUESTION: Pull ups. I'm too weak and heavy in my upper body, not flexible enough in my lower body to get my feet in the bands. Suggestions on another exercise or anything that will help me. Today I did a variation of a low row using rings. Thanks

    Sorry may have found answer on youtube, but still open to suggestions. On youtube the person put their knee through the loop instead of their foot. I'm going to try that next time

    You can put the band around your knees; it gives slightly less help than putting it around your foot. How about standing on a box or bench while you loop the band around your foot? That's what I do b/c otherwise the bar is too high and I can't pull the band low enough.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    QUESTION: Pull ups. I'm too weak and heavy in my upper body, not flexible enough in my lower body to get my feet in the bands. Suggestions on another exercise or anything that will help me. Today I did a variation of a low row using rings. Thanks

    Sorry may have found answer on youtube, but still open to suggestions. On youtube the person put their knee through the loop instead of their foot. I'm going to try that next time

    You can also do negative (you jump then lower yourself down to starting position). However, honestly I find ring rows work better than negatives.

    I generally do ring rows but think I'm near the point where i need to start doing htem banded to really start getting stronger. If we have a WOD that calls for lots of pull ups I'll still do rings but otherwise I need to start doing more bar work.
  • Inkratlet
    Inkratlet Posts: 613 Member
    Yep same, I ring row if it's more than 10 and black band it if it's less than 10 reps.

    You can make ring rows difficult too by stepping further underneath

    Do you guys think putting a knee in the thickest band (black in our gym) is harder or easier than the next band down (green for us)? I'm just thinking it might be a good progression as I can do 5 good reps and 5 struggling, fight-fot-it money reps with a black band but I can't do one rep of any description with a green. Knee in black might be half way between the two?
  • Quinnstinct
    Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
    When I used bands I'd get on a box and someone would pull the black band down so I could get my foot in it- I think I made them nervous lol but the help really helped me out.
  • Quinnstinct
    Quinnstinct Posts: 274 Member
    I think I'm getting the hang of cleans! We did thrusters and I got my chin with the bar (ouch), those are going to take some time. They had no problem with my wanting to gift a kettlebell and assured me they are getting more so I think it's just a matter of slowly building up equipment. All good things!
  • MDLNH
    MDLNH Posts: 587 Member
    Yep same, I ring row if it's more than 10 and black band it if it's less than 10 reps.

    You can make ring rows difficult too by stepping further underneath

    Do you guys think putting a knee in the thickest band (black in our gym) is harder or easier than the next band down (green for us)? I'm just thinking it might be a good progression as I can do 5 good reps and 5 struggling, fight-fot-it money reps with a black band but I can't do one rep of any description with a green. Knee in black might be half way between the two?

    We have this band color chart posted in our box - Hope it helps.

    http://blog.beyondthewhiteboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bandassistcolor2.pdf
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
    Hardly any of the women except those who Rx everything use the 35 kettlebells at my box. The 26's are much more popular and even lighter get a lot of use. I can't even do 35 KB snatches with my right wrist and I Rx most strength workouts. I would bring my own and leave them there.
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
    We're not allowed to use bands at my box for the most part so we do pull ups off of a box, ring rows or body rows. Outside of a WOD, we work on negatives and holds.