How do we feel about CroMoly vs. Aluminum?
BusyRaeNOTBusty
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Surly w/ CroMoly:
http://surlybikes.com/bikes/straggler/bike_info
Felt in Aluminum, $500 cheaper:
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2015/Bikes/Cross/FX-Series/f85x.aspx
Also, talked to me about the differences between "Gravel" bikes and "CX" bikes. Geometry, right? Could I do a CX race on a gravel bike? What if I'm very flexible? Does geometry matter that much? I haven't looked at "gravel" much but they do seem to be cheaper.
http://surlybikes.com/bikes/straggler/bike_info
Felt in Aluminum, $500 cheaper:
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2015/Bikes/Cross/FX-Series/f85x.aspx
Also, talked to me about the differences between "Gravel" bikes and "CX" bikes. Geometry, right? Could I do a CX race on a gravel bike? What if I'm very flexible? Does geometry matter that much? I haven't looked at "gravel" much but they do seem to be cheaper.
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If buying steel, go w/ the Niner Sir 9. So legit.0
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But WHY would I want to buy steel Brandon?!0
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Of the two...I would get the Felt.
I do like the quicker geometry of the Felt for racing and riding around. Someone who has not raced on one might not be able to tell but it does handle differently when talking about head tube angle, wheelbase, etc.
I also like the design of the frame itself. I don't like the look of the forks or the rear dropouts of the Surly. If you bend the hanger on the Surly, is it replaceable? It is on the Felt.
Color wise, I do like purple to begin with but the Snozberry looks cooler than the Glitter Dreams. To me anyways...
The other issue is $500...I can get a few spare parts or a extra wheel set for that.
You CAN race a gravel bike in a CX race. I've seen mountain bikes, tandems, BMX and even unicycles. Rung what ya' brung!
I'm taking the Felt. That's just me though.0 -
Simple Answer: Ride them both, pick which one you like better.
If you plan to race cross, I agree with cowbell and say get the Felt. It’s 4 pounds lighter, $500 cheaper and has better geometry. The Surly is nice, but is designed more to be a jack of all trades bike, not a racer. But, then again I could bring my sons balance bike to a cross race, and they would probably let me ride it.0 -
If it was just a choice of materials I would go with the CroMoly, I like the feel better than Aluminum.
But looking at the over all bike I would go with the Felt.
And the rear dropout being built into the Surly frame would worry me. I have bent quite a few hangers on my mountain bikes so I assume this would be an issue for a cross bike too.
If I was to buy a gravel or cross bike I would buy one for that purpose. The Straggler sounds more like an all around not quite cx and not quite gravel bike.It’s a ‘rough road’ road bike. It’s a cyclocross bike with no pretense about racing. It’s a utilitarian townie. It’s a light-duty touring bike. It’s an all-weather commuter.0 -
I was mainly curious as to why the CroMoly was more expensive for a similarly spec-ed bike, if it were better maybe. I asked my husband why it was more expensive and he said "hipsters".
I'm also looking at the Jake.
http://www.konaworld.com/jake.cfm
Basically I want something I can commute with, train with in the winter and/or when the trails are muddy, and maybe to do CX races. I have relationships with two LBS that carry Kona, Scott, Felt, and Surly.
And really I'm not ready to buy anything yet, just bored at work so trying to learn about them and stuff.0 -
Steel is real!
Only kidding. Your husband is right, the Straggler is $500 more due to the "hipster" factor of it being a Surly. There's a bit of a cachet to having a Surly in some circles. That said, they're well made durable bikes that are meant to go and be ridden into the ground as evidenced by a great number of bike packers and off-road tourers that use their products.
Steel feels better (there are terabytes of online debate on steel vs aluminium out there is you want to go down that rabbit hole) to me. It's a preference. Ride 'em all, pick the one that you like the best and ride it like you stole it.0 -
Production capacity! At one point Aluminum was more expansive than steel but that changed with the favor of the decade. Late eighties and early nineties is probably the zenith of steel bike building. Aluminum was just becoming main stream and carbon fiber was in it's infancy, but they were still crap. First real commercial success was probably the Cannondale 3.0 (2.0 was much better crafted bike but was a sponge) and Trek 1000s and 2000s. Now it's basically Aluminum for low/mid range and CF high end. Steel relegated to department store variants and the connoisseur.
I wish I still had my Eddy Merckx SL but I still have my Trek 660 and Schwinn Prologue.0 -
tl:dr: Ride them and see which one feels better.
Steel comes in several grades, which come down to making the tubing stronger so that it can be thinner, although older high end tubing was usually so thin that it would have low weight limits, sometimes as little as 150 lbs. for the rider. Now that aluminum and carbon fiber are the go-to for racing,
Aluminum tubing is basically all the same; the difference comes down to how the frame is put together. The better the bends and welding techniques, the better it will ride. If you're looking at steel and aluminum frames at close to the same price, the steel be more comfortable at the cost of some weight. Spend a little extra on an aluminum bike, and the comfort gap closes while still remaining lighter than steel.0 -
It depends on what you like.
Butted steel frames like the Surly will feel a bit whippy if you weigh more than 250 lbs, because they are made of a thin, springy metal. The springiness isn't dangerous, but it isn't a pleasant sensation either.
Aluminium uses bigger, thicker tubes so isn't as whippy. But fashion dictates everyone that buys a bike should be using it for racing, which combined with a frame that is inherently rigid means many alloy bikes feel a bit harsh and unforgiving.
Saying that, tyres and the arrangement of a bike's contact points make more of a difference to the way it feels. And it's all very subjective anyway.
Try a couple and make up your own mind. If the shop won't give you a test ride, go away.0