I'm late the party on this core curriculum stuff..

_John_
_John_ Posts: 8,646 Member
But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

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  • _errata_
    _errata_ Posts: 1,653 Member
    I don't think there is anything wrong with it because it is teaching kids how to break big problems up into smaller problems, which is how you actually solve problems in the real world. Granted, I don't know a whole lot about it, so there might be some inane bull **** I'd disagree with, but this seems fine to me.
  • coolraul07
    coolraul07 Posts: 1,606 Member
    I don't disagree, but that's kinda how I do mental math. But then again, I was that one kid taking 11th grade math in 9th grade, so....
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  • cmcollins001
    cmcollins001 Posts: 3,472 Member
    Don't they all show that you subtract a smaller number from a bigger number to get a smaller number?

    If this is "regular" math, I would hate to see what they do for word problems.

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  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    I think I'm having an anxiety attack.
  • k8blujay2
    k8blujay2 Posts: 4,941 Member
    I don't think there is anything wrong with it because it is teaching kids how to break big problems up into smaller problems, which is how you actually solve problems in the real world. Granted, I don't know a whole lot about it, so there might be some inane bull **** I'd disagree with, but this seems fine to me.

    The problem I have with teaching math this way, isn't the completely convoluted problems to help kids understand math... but the fact that they leave no room for the kids to take shortcuts. It's either do it the convoluted way or get it completely wrong, even when work is shown and the answer is correct.
  • k8blujay2
    k8blujay2 Posts: 4,941 Member
    BTW, I think the answer is C
  • _John_
    _John_ Posts: 8,646 Member
    I personally was so far beyond needing to break down such a simple problem that it would have shortcircuited my brain to even try as a youngster.

    I could add columns of 3 and 4 digit numbers in my head at about 5-6 yo (thanks yatzee), and it was a skill that took me years to get back after I had to learn the way to show my work in elementary.

    I personally think showing work is vastly overrated anyway. If this is supposed to be the age of learning how everyone best does it, then I don't see why because I'm so such much smarter than the teachers that I have to show them how I arrived at a correct answer.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I don't think there is anything wrong with it because it is teaching kids how to break big problems up into smaller problems, which is how you actually solve problems in the real world. Granted, I don't know a whole lot about it, so there might be some inane bull **** I'd disagree with, but this seems fine to me.
    I do it that way in my head, sure.

    But the problem with this math is that it starts with the end. It expects children to already know math in order to learn it. It's backwards.

    Some things I've read are that high school students are having a much easier time with Common Core than younger children and that makes sense because they already have the foundation.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Also, of all those choices only one gets the correct answer. The kid has to know that the answer is 8 in order to know how to solve the problem to arrive at 8. Or the kids has to know 5+2=7 in order to subtract correctly.

    It's just all so weird.
  • Galatea_Stone
    Galatea_Stone Posts: 2,037 Member
    I personally was so far beyond needing to break down such a simple problem that it would have shortcircuited my brain to even try as a youngster.

    I could add columns of 3 and 4 digit numbers in my head at about 5-6 yo (thanks yatzee), and it was a skill that took me years to get back after I had to learn the way to show my work in elementary.

    I personally think showing work is vastly overrated anyway. If this is supposed to be the age of learning how everyone best does it, then I don't see why because I'm so such much smarter than the teachers that I have to show them how I arrived at a correct answer.

    I had a similar conversation with my daughter with all the circles and dots pictures she had to decipher that what the page was asking was 3x4. She rolled her eyes and said "well, this is really unnecessary."
  • gypsy_spirit
    gypsy_spirit Posts: 2,107 Member
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  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
    But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

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    I've stared at this for five minutes, and I still don't understand what it's asking.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    OMG! *tiptoes back out*



    I'm not allowed to talk about this anymore.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

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    I've stared at this for five minutes, and I still don't understand what it's asking.
    It's actually really simple once someone explains it -- but, again, you have to already know the answer to GET the answer.

    Basically, you subtract whatever you need to get to the nearest round number. In this case, you subtract 5 to get 10. Then you subtract the remaining number (2 because 5+2=7) and you get the answer, 8.

    With a larger number, you keep subtracting to round numbers until you can't anymore, then add all the numbers you subtracted in order to get the number.

    So for 1,053-500, you subtract 3, then 50, then 500. Then you add 500+50+3 and get 553, which is the answer.
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  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

    math2.jpg

    I've stared at this for five minutes, and I still don't understand what it's asking.
    It's actually really simple once someone explains it -- but, again, you have to already know the answer to GET the answer.

    Basically, you subtract whatever you need to get to the nearest round number. In this case, you subtract 5 to get 10. Then you subtract the remaining number (2 because 5+2=7) and you get the answer, 8.

    With a larger number, you keep subtracting to round numbers until you can't anymore, then add all the numbers you subtracted in order to get the number.

    So for 1,053-500, you subtract 3, then 50, then 500. Then you add 500+50+3 and get 53, which is the answer.

    Know what I think of that?

    fu[/b]ck no
    I'm not defending it. Not even a little bit. It's ridiculous. But it makes some sense once someone explains it. However, it makes sense to me because I already know basic math. If I didn't, I'd be paralyzed with fear.
  • calibriintx
    calibriintx Posts: 1,741 Member
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  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
    But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

    math2.jpg

    I've stared at this for five minutes, and I still don't understand what it's asking.
    It's actually really simple once someone explains it -- but, again, you have to already know the answer to GET the answer.

    Basically, you subtract whatever you need to get to the nearest round number. In this case, you subtract 5 to get 10. Then you subtract the remaining number (2 because 5+2=7) and you get the answer, 8.

    With a larger number, you keep subtracting to round numbers until you can't anymore, then add all the numbers you subtracted in order to get the number.

    So for 1,053-500, you subtract 3, then 50, then 500. Then you add 500+50+3 and get 53, which is the answer.

    Know what I think of that?

    fu[/b]ck no
    I'm not defending it. Not even a little bit. It's ridiculous. But it makes some sense once someone explains it. However, it makes sense to me because I already know basic math. If I didn't, I'd be paralyzed with fear.

    This made my head hurt. And yeah, I'd be paralized with fear too.
  • _errata_
    _errata_ Posts: 1,653 Member
    Meanwhile, in Japan:

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  • NotRailMeat
    NotRailMeat Posts: 509 Member
    As a Mechanical Engineer this makes me cry and worry for our children's future.. I'd love to see a Calculus (or even Trigonometry) equation solved using the common core methodology.
  • Galatea_Stone
    Galatea_Stone Posts: 2,037 Member
    But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

    math2.jpg

    I've stared at this for five minutes, and I still don't understand what it's asking.
    It's actually really simple once someone explains it -- but, again, you have to already know the answer to GET the answer.

    Basically, you subtract whatever you need to get to the nearest round number. In this case, you subtract 5 to get 10. Then you subtract the remaining number (2 because 5+2=7) and you get the answer, 8.

    With a larger number, you keep subtracting to round numbers until you can't anymore, then add all the numbers you subtracted in order to get the number.

    So for 1,053-500, you subtract 3, then 50, then 500. Then you add 500+50+3 and get 53, which is the answer.

    Know what I think of that?

    fu[/b]ck no
    I'm not defending it. Not even a little bit. It's ridiculous. But it makes some sense once someone explains it. However, it makes sense to me because I already know basic math. If I didn't, I'd be paralyzed with fear.

    I mean this with my whole heart because I like you very much.

    No, it doesn't make sense. It's fucking *kitten* backwards.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    But I would have bugged teachers to death if I'd had shit like this in school.

    math2.jpg

    I've stared at this for five minutes, and I still don't understand what it's asking.
    It's actually really simple once someone explains it -- but, again, you have to already know the answer to GET the answer.

    Basically, you subtract whatever you need to get to the nearest round number. In this case, you subtract 5 to get 10. Then you subtract the remaining number (2 because 5+2=7) and you get the answer, 8.

    With a larger number, you keep subtracting to round numbers until you can't anymore, then add all the numbers you subtracted in order to get the number.

    So for 1,053-500, you subtract 3, then 50, then 500. Then you add 500+50+3 and get 53, which is the answer.

    Know what I think of that?

    fu[/b]ck no
    I'm not defending it. Not even a little bit. It's ridiculous. But it makes some sense once someone explains it. However, it makes sense to me because I already know basic math. If I didn't, I'd be paralyzed with fear.

    I mean this with my whole heart because I like you very much.

    No, it doesn't make sense. It's fucking *kitten* backwards.

    Ha ha. Well, it makes sense to me. :-) But my brain is a little backwards sometimes.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I can't. I can't stay out.


    Bottom line is.... some kid's struggle with Math and don't understand it the way it's been "traditionally" taught. OK, great... here's a new option that might make more sense to THOSE kids.

    But for all of the others that grasp and excel at math in a traditional sense, they should NOT even be doing this. The ****ing dots, blocks, circles.... COMPLETELY unnecessary and has made it MORE difficult to for my child to excel in math.

    The fact it's become about funding and forced on all children is f*cked up beyond all belief and I'm so incredibly pissed I could punch a baby dolphin.



    The. End.
  • _errata_
    _errata_ Posts: 1,653 Member
    As a Mechanical Engineer this makes me cry and worry for our children's future.. I'd love to see a Calculus (or even Trigonometry) equation solved using the common core methodology.

    It's just the transitive property of equality applied to learning. I have taken a lot of higher end math courses and any time you are trying to prove theorems, being able to work backward from what you are trying to prove is very valuable. This is teaching kids how to reason through a problem rather than teaching them to memorize tables. It may not be immediately obvious as to why this could be useful, but as you get to higher levels of math, tables and memorization don't count for ****. Kids need to be able to reason from point A to point B to be successful at math.
  • NotRailMeat
    NotRailMeat Posts: 509 Member
    I can't. I can't stay out.

    Bottom line is.... some kid's struggle with Math and don't understand it the way it's been "traditionally" taught. OK, great... here's a new option that might make more sense to THOSE kids.

    But for all of the others that grasp and excel at math in a traditional sense, they should NOT even be doing this. The ****ing dots, blocks, circles.... COMPLETELY unnecessary and has made it MORE difficult to for my child to excel in math.

    The fact it's become about funding and forced on all children is f*cked up beyond all belief and I'm so incredibly pissed I could punch a baby dolphin.

    The. End.
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  • capnrus789
    capnrus789 Posts: 2,736 Member
    I'm trying to help my son with his 2nd grade stuff, and I can't. I can't do 2nd grade common core math. Neither can he, he asked for a calculator and cried when we said no. After trying to explain for 30 minutes I said "f**k it" and showed him how to "carry the 1." 3 pages of addition homework done in 5 minutes.

    Maybe common core works, but I still don't get it. I feel sorry for my sons teacher becuase I know she's not a fan, and neither is the schools pricipal, but at a public school they don't have much choice in the matter.
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    Right there with you.
  • I can't. I can't stay out.


    Bottom line is.... some kid's struggle with Math and don't understand it the way it's been "traditionally" taught. OK, great... here's a new option that might make more sense to THOSE kids.

    But for all of the others that grasp and excel at math in a traditional sense, they should NOT even be doing this. The ****ing dots, blocks, circles.... COMPLETELY unnecessary and has made it MORE difficult to for my child to excel in math.

    The fact it's become about funding and forced on all children is f*cked up beyond all belief and I'm so incredibly pissed I could punch a baby dolphin.



    The. End.

    Forget about me being able to help my kids do simple math. So instead of no longer being able to help them when they are in 6th grade, it has now been reduced to 2nd grade.