Body Fat test and nutritionist

maoribadger
maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
So had an appt to see a nutritionist tonight. Interesting stuff. She did my body fat analysis with the calipers and it came out at 42%. Kind of what I was expecting. Im 101kg atm so she made that my LBM is 58.58kg and my fat is 42.42kg though I guess theres a small error for clothes. Shes calculated my BMR at about 1600 calories though she didnt write that down and said my maintenance cals are of 2535 and I should be eating about 2085 to lose weight. She basically said I am undereating as Im averaging about 1500 and not eating my exercise back. She said she wasnt using TDEE but similar calculation and wants me to try it for a few weeks just to see if it works for me.

Obviously need to hit the 2050 healthily, not to worry about eating back exercise cals as its factored in and eat 222g of protein which works out about 40% protein. She suggested a pint of milk after every workout. Red meat 2x a week and some peanut butter. So a LOT of churkey!

Am a bit thrown at eating that much but me and my gym buddy have agreed to give it a solid go for 2-3 weeks and if it works are contemplating splitting the cost of seeing her for an 8 week programme alongside our PT training. Lady is reckoning I could lose 2lb a week, 2lb and eating plenty just sounds so strange

WTF am I gonna eat,,,

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  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    LOL I forget how much it is you are supposed to eat per lean body mass (on article I just found says 1.4 grams per kg lf LBM = 82.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm

    Another one says as high as 1.8 per and that is 105 grams. So 222g seems excessive, even for the heaviest of body builders. I'd read these articles.

    https://evidencemag.com/how-to-build-muscle-protein

    http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/

    Too much protein can cause kidney problems and all sorts of things (pooing is another). Pay special attention to the article that says how much protein can be absorbed at one sitting.

    I do agree that you were eating way too little to support proper muscle growth for as much as you were lifting and such. Most people cannot properly build muscle eating at a deficit. You essentially destroy one muscle to build another. I like the calories that she upped, but I'm really concerned about the insane level of protein...

    Please do some research and follow up with nutritionist (not licensed dietician? Over here they have to be dietician to be licensed and legal...nutritionist could be anyone off the street who took a class or has google). also, pay close attention to your body and listen for it's protests.

    Good luck, though.
  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    edited February 2015
    She says not to go over 220 so maybe she means have up to that. I am not totally sure but she seems very well qualified though shes not a dietician she has an honors degree in nutrition, I would have to be referred to a dietician and dont wanna take up an appt needed by someone as its all NHS here. I wont manage that amount of protein anyway I barely make half that now. Will try and up it somewhat though. 222g is 1g/lb for me though

    Website: www.nutritiontheonlyway.com
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    Sounds like a great plan, Lise. Just listen to your body and you've got this. I'm sure there is some qualified reason she advised this... Love that's you're getting your nutrition in line with your lifting and such. :)
  • wennim
    wennim Posts: 276 Member
    I am really interested to see how the upping calories works for you. I have worked out my bmr and tdee and all those other numbers on so many different sites and I just get so lost. It never really made sense to me that there was such a thing as under eating. I always thought if I eat less I will lose more but I guess it kind of makes sense that if you eat a bit more that will give your body fuel so you can burn fat and not muscle leaving the muscle which burns more calories on its own which in turn leads to more loss. I don't know seems like I am talking in circles now.

    I am really considering changing to a set calorie goal and not eating back my exercise calories. I don't eat them all back and average about 1400 total a day with a mfp goal of 1200. I work out 6 days a week and burn anywhere from 400- 1200 calories (have to love my bike rides!) and usually average around 500 calories a day for the week.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    If your calorie goal includes your exercise level, then not eating back your calories works. If your calorie goal DOES NOT include your exercise, then not eating back workout calories will starve your muscles. If you have your activity at sedentary, as I do, then I know I've earned my calories.

    To get your best TDEE, you need to have a clinical calculation of your body fat percentage. Calipers are not reliable. There are all sorts of tests that run a mild current through your body and track it's travel, etc. You do not feel this. I've been told the ones you hold in your arms, and straight out are most reliable for casual things. There are more complete ways to measure, but not affordable or accessible to everyone yet.

    If you eat too little, your body will start conserving everything. So while you might still be losing some, your body is stockpiling in case of famine and all that too, so you might see a stall or a slow down, or all that. Plus, like you said, the body will destroy it's own muscles as a source of quick converted to sugar calories. You have to train your body to burn more fat.

    You aren't talking in circles. The body is a tricky machine. Lean too far one way, crash. To far the other way, crash... Balance...that's where it all is. (hugs)
  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    The ones you hold in your arms will be affected by your fatty breast tissue though which will affect your numbers. Calipers are not gold standard but for affordability when done by someone qualified they are ok. I cant afford anything more expensive and the numbers fell in line with what I was expecting and had been working off using an online site. TBH unless you invest in a bod pod or similar its primarily for tracking trends like anything else.

    Well today I have been full ALL day though I do seem to be suffering some internal rumblings! Wasnt actually able to finish dinner but I had enough calories and had been on track well enough to treat myself to a tiny sliver of cake. Still came in about 41% carbs, 35% protein and 24% fat. So ended up on about 172g protein which is doable for me i guess. Still got a pint of milk to neck after training yet. Gym should be the tester tonight, we are doing chest and arms tonight.

    For me I needed 6m purely to focus on numbers - calories. Once eating for weight loss became habitual I am now ready to focus more on the nutrition aspect but I had to get my mind right first.

    Wennim I will let you know how transitioning to a TDEE (alike) system works for me. Have to say though Carly is right. Ive been struggling with the concept of eating my exercise cals back but I know Ive reached a point with my lifting where I have to in order to progress. Im not doing wha I know I could and Im not recovering as quick as I would like.

    Ive decided to take this lady up on her 8 week prgramme too. I just need my mate to get on board so we can share the costs
  • wennim
    wennim Posts: 276 Member
    I just checked and I do have it set to sedentary...oops. My exercise calories I think are pretty accurate since I use a heart rate monitor and not mfp estimates. I still feel guilty about eating them all back though but maybe I should try that for awhile. Can't be slowing it down any more than it is now. I have only lost 10 lbs since christmas.

    My two oldest boys just finished up with the wrestling season and I am so glad to be done with it. The coaches push these kids to lose weight but still want them to lift weights and get stronger. It seems you can't do one while doing the other. I am so proud of them for finally standing up to the coach and saying they weren't going to go to drastic measures to lose weight. Since that point they have both become much stronger and did better at meets. You can tell the kids that cut weight because they just don't have anything left in the tank to actually wrestle.

    I hope you have a lot of success following the program. I have a hard time meeting my protein goals for the day and it is much lower than that. Probably has something to do with the fact that I can't stand milk unless it is in the form of ice cream!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    @maoribadger Lise, I agree - with someone well qualified, calipers are decent. I didnt' know that about fatty breast tissue, and lordy knows I have a lot of it! HEE HEE.... I wish you the absolute best on this new leg of your journey. :)

    @Wennim (for the life of me I can't remember your first name :( ....bad Carly)... Why do you feel guilty about eating them? You earned those B-witches! Your blood, sweat and damned tears earned each and every calorie...

    I had to sit here and laugh my @$$ off at your statement - "can't be slowing down any more...only 10 since Christmas!" I had a brief water weight deal that pushed me from the mid 250's up to 262 when I was sick. I was 255 on 1/15. Today I was 247.2. I haven't even lost 10 pounds, and I still feel like a rock star. It's all perspective, I guess.

    I get most of my protein through meat. Pork tenderloin (not center cut, just the regular one) here is super cost effective. Around $2/pound. You can cook it a million different ways. One portion last night by recipe was like 25 grams of protein. I had two pieces for lunch, and one piece and an egg on some salad with some cheese and such. I do not drink milk at all. Too much sugar in it. However, I do have cream cheese, sour cream, heavy whipping cream (called double cream in the UK), and butter nearly every day, in addition to standard cheese like cheddar, mozzarella, and/or parmesan. Feel free to check out my diary. It should be public if we aren't friends yet. You'd probably be shocked at how I get what I need.

    And remember, you only need as much protein to support lean body weight. At last check, my body fat was about 48%. So, at 250 (for calcs), 52% of my body is not fat, and therefore is considered to be lean body mass, which is 130 pounds. You need 0.6-1 gram of protein per pound, depending on how active you are and strength training and such (which is why Lise needs so much - she's a damned beast right now!). I usually use 0.8 just for giggles. So that is 130 x 0.8 = 104 grams of protein. I have mine set around that right now. So 2-3 servings of pork, some eggs, and I've just about knocked my protein out right there. I don't know how you eat, @wennim, but it is worth checking out a few options! :) Milk is definitely not necessary. And as for protein in your ice cream, try pumpkin flavor! :)
  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    Wennim is Wendy I'm fairly sure though amusingly my phone tries to correct it to wennie which is my daughters nickname. If you are set at sedentary definitely eat them back.

    Well I was same this am after day one but am unsurprised it will take body a few days to cotton on and I'm retaining water after last night no doubt as it was a heavy session. Loling at beast btw

  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    edited February 2015
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    Had to Lol at this. When someone sticks tyres on your favourite deadlift bar and your first reaction is....I gotta pick that up!!!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    :) Love the pic!!! You're gonna kill this year. :)
  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    Thats my hope. Realised when I went to enter my weight in my tracker its actually 1lb off first day, though I know thats water its comforting when I am eating so much to see it still comes off :). Have been off around Asda today and bought some chicken, pork fillet, crab and gold top milk for a treat after training tonight. Can see my food bill involving a lotta meat
  • wennim
    wennim Posts: 276 Member
    Yup my name is Wendy.
    That is an awesome picture!

    I want muscles. I lift but without having someone to do it with and direct me I have no clue what I am doing. My boys keep telling me they will help but schedules don't really line up for it to happen. I am seriously considering getting a trial membership at a gym with a trainer that is 35 mins away just to be able to get some idea of what I should be doing. I think I could make it work like twice a week for the 6 week trial but I don't think it would work long term. Not to mention it would be a bit out of budget for us.

    Carly-
    I haven't been meeting my protein goals. According to my calculations I should be getting at least 64 g a day. I average around 55. I don't eat much red meat or pork. I eat chicken breast and the occasional fish but that is it for meat. I do eat some eggs and cheese. Yogurt. I never really considered myself a picky eater but when it comes to meats I am really picky...if there is visible fat on it I won't eat it. I will check out your diary when I have a chance.
    I think the reason I was frustrated about the loss is because I had pretty consistently been losing 6-8 lbs a month. With the drop off of the biking season that went way down. I had unofficially made a goal that would have been easy at that rate and now isn't so I am kind of bummed by that. Doesn't help that hubby seems to be on a real roll with his loss. He whined and moaned when I was losing and he wasn't so now that the tables are turned I have kind of taken on his role.
  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    It is definitely worth starting with a trainer. I see mine weekly and share the cost with my buddy but probably know enough now I could put a programme together but I see more progress following hers lol. Am hoping with this nutritionist on board too I can try and lose weight and lay down some muscle or at least make what I currently have show up better!

    I had 100g of protein for tea tonight. 250g chicken breast is 77g. Eggs are 7g each. Milk is 3.7g per 100ml, whole milk is best. Cheese is high too though I dont know the figures. And cottage cheese is 10g per 100g so another good source as is tuna, fish, crab etc.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    I make a thing called a jello fat bomb. but really it is like a creamy custard pudding. it is sugar free jello and a little extra unflavored gelatin (adds a bit of protein and joint support) with two cups of hot water to dissolve. Stir in one cup of sour cream and whip in one cup of heavy whipping cream. pour into four containers. chill. you could make them smaller servings. They are creamy, awesome yummy goodness. :)
  • maoribadger
    maoribadger Posts: 1,837 Member
    I had to cheat and use a protein shake today. I simply couldnt face a whole pot of cottage cheese at 8pm lol
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