screen shot if yesterdays "calorie burn"

Christine_72
Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
edited November 16 in Social Groups
Ok here is what Fitbit sent over to mfp yesterday. Does this look correct to you guys?? Do I eat these calories back or take these numbers with a grain of salt?

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  • danifo0811
    danifo0811 Posts: 544 Member
    I find when I do over 15k steps, I need more food.

    My general rule for eating back exercise calories is that my net calories should be over 1300. After that it depends on how I feel.
  • Qskim
    Qskim Posts: 1,145 Member
    How come your headings are in cute italics? I feel deprived - like my MFP experience is somewhat diminished :)

  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    _SKIM_ wrote: »
    How come your headings are in cute italics? I feel deprived - like my MFP experience is somewhat diminished :)

    Haha when i first got my phone i changed it in my settings.

    I am just about ready to throw this fitbit in the trash!!

    "walking counts, walking doesn't count" as exercise.

    "fitbits suck, don't trust the calorie burn"

    "work out the mets, the fu*king wind speed and it's direction, then calculate calculations with a billion different numbers and percentages before arriving at your final number destination"

    "No, you should be set to sedentary, or maybe lightly active, or perhaps very active"

    I think i was naive in thinking that my fitbit would simply work out my steps, and then mfp would give me my calorie burn.

    If someone was sitting in front of me to explain all this, id get it in a minute. I struggle to process information in it's written form, and nothing seems to make sense!
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    Click on your adjustment to see the math used to calculate it.

    MFP has calculated that by 11:59 p.m. you will have burned 1,170 calories more than your MFP activity level.

    If huge adjustments freak you out, then increase your activity level. 26,000 steps is not sedentary! http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/change_goals_guided

    Just be sure to enable negative calorie adjustments: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
    I think i was naive in thinking that my fitbit would simply work out my steps, and then mfp would give me my calorie burn.

    No, you weren't naive. Don't over-think it.

    I do exactly what you thought you'd be able to do. I let my Fitbit detect my steps (and my heart rate now, since I got the HR), compute a calorie burn from that (and, of course the other settings such as age, height & weight) and let MFP tell me how many calories I can eat. I eat those calories and I'm losing at the expected rate.

    Unless you are unusual (like the person who posted recently whose job involves dancing in a heavy "character" costume), you should relax, trust your Fitbit, and give it a little time to see if it works for you.

    Tune out the people who say that Fitbits don't work (they do for many, don't for a few), that walking isn't exercise (they're wrong - I burned almost 700 calories today on a 4 mile walk), or that you need to do complex calculations to get your exact calorie burn (only if you're an athlete working towards a specific goal, I'd think).

    The only reason to worry about getting the right activity level is so that you have a better prediction early in the day as to how many calories you'll be able to eat.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Any discussion of walking counts or doesn't count as exercise has NO bearing on the fact it does indeed burn more calories, especially if MFP was unaware you were going to walk that much from selecting say a non-exercise activity level of Sedentary or Lightly Active.

    If you only walk and stop increasing speed and keep losing weight - then eventually walking is no longer a workout for your body. Merely a calorie burning activity, and not a great one at that compared to others.
    Is it exercise depends on what exercise means to you.

    And it is simple.

    Eat 632 more calories for that day.

    Simple. You don't have to understand anything else.

    There are some nuances to improve estimates (you do realize everything is an estimate, right, unless you are confined in-building during a research study) if you go to extremes and those estimates start adding up.

    For instance, lets say you loved this high protein granola cereal.
    And found out that when measuring it per serving compared to weighing it per serving, you were getting an extra 75 calories per bowl eaten you weren't accounting for.

    75 is decent amount, but might balance out in the day eating 2000 in total, so perhaps no big deal not to correct it.
    But what if you ate that bowl 5 x daily?
    Now is that difference a big deal? Would it be better to be accurate now?

    Same with Fitbit.
    Step based is based on distance and mass. If you had your weight entered wrong by 10 lbs - would you imagine it's close enough anyway - or would you want to correct it?
    Easy correction, sure.

    What if you did a treadmill or track walk of known distance and the Fitbit was off by 10% - would you imagine that would be close enough - or would you want to correct it?
    Is it worth the effort to test to confirm?

    Once that is done though, it's done. Now distance is good, weight is good, calorie burn estimate is good.

    So now unless you see massive steps when you were sitting, or lack of steps when you were moving - you got a good estimate to use.

    But guess what, some workouts don't have good calorie burn estimates when looking at steps.
    How many steps in the pool when swimming? None? Would you manually log you swam 1 hr to have a better estimate?

    Don't freak out and stress over it, but also be aware of the limits of ANY tool.
    Even your multi-tool may be missing a screwdriver small enough for glasses screw, but you know you can use one of the blades. And you snap it off.

    Or MFP as tool by itself, YOU are the one selecting how much you burn daily by selection of activity level - but did you select right?
    Did you stress out over the great potential inaccuracy of MFP before you got the Fitbit?
    Or did you realize how great it can be?
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,755 Member
    I think christine needs a hug. :)
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Everything was fine and dandy before I got the bloomin fitbit heybales
    There's just too much conflicting opinions floating around here...
    glassyo wrote: »
    I think christine needs a hug. :)

    Lol yes indeedy xx :smiley:

  • Liftin4food
    Liftin4food Posts: 175 Member
    Everything was fine and dandy before I got the bloomin fitbit heybales
    There's just too much conflicting opinions floating around here...

    A lot of the conflicting opinions come down to the fact that a lot of people don't understand how fitbit and MFP work together.

    I trust my fitbit. I eat my calorie adjustments back. It's doing a great job for me.

    You are getting large adjustments like that because you have told MFP that you are a lot less active than your fitbit records. If you are more active you need more calories!
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    A lot of the conflicting opinions come down to the fact that a lot of people don't understand how fitbit and MFP work together.

    I trust my fitbit. I eat my calorie adjustments back. It's doing a great job for me.

    ^This. I eat back my adjustments, lost the weight, and have maintained for nine months. Trust your Fitbit for several weeks, then reevaluate your progress.
  • FishyK
    FishyK Posts: 147 Member
    I'm chiming in on the easy route. I have a Charge HR and let it calculate everything. I set it for sedentary, it syncs constantly with my smartphone, and I get a running tally of my available food calories based on my activity. I don't eat back all of my calories unless I'm actually hungry, and I am off sugar. I'm in my mid 50s with 35-40 more to lose and I have lost just over a pound a week (18.4 lbs) in 105 days.
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 3,973 Member
    edited April 2015
    I just trusted my Fitbit, I am losing @1lb. a week, as I told it I wanted to do. I read both MFP fitbit group postings and Fitbit.com, so I understand where your confusion is coming from.

    I wear my fitbit on my non dominate wrist, I wear it inside, the LEDs face the veins, I never have to shift the position of it on my wrist. It is so comfortable, I forget it is on most of the time. My activity level is set to sedentary in both apps (I'm short this seems to work better for me) I do fitness classes for seniors and walk 12K daily now, I worked up to that. I eat some of the extra calories most days, occasionally I go over 100 to 200 calories, sometimes I am right on it. I use a digital scale, cups and measuring spoons, scan labels to record my calories. Main point is I am losing it at the projected rate.

    It works a treat for me. Try just relaxing and enjoying the simplicity of it all.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    editorgrrl wrote: »
    Click on your adjustment to see the math used to calculate it.

    MFP has calculated that by 11:59 p.m. you will have burned 1,170 calories more than your MFP activity level.

    If huge adjustments freak you out, then increase your activity level. 26,000 steps is not sedentary! http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/change_goals_guided

    Just be sure to enable negative calorie adjustments: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings

    This is what I'm talking about...

    I just now read on the boards that if you up your activity level from sedentary to lightly active or active than ignore the fitbit steps as they are already counted in my activity settings of lightly active....

  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    No. It will still add over what your maintenance is. I'm on lightly active and still earn 350-500 calories after a long day at work (usually 12-15,000 steps). I think the guide is 6-7000 steps is considered lightly active.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    malibu927 wrote: »
    No. It will still add over what your maintenance is. I'm on lightly active and still earn 350-500 calories after a long day at work (usually 12-15,000 steps). I think the guide is 6-7000 steps is considered lightly active.

    It would be so nice if everyone was on the same page.
    I'm more inclined to listen to you Malibu :+1::bigsmile:
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    edited April 2015
    You just need to decide on a strategy and stick to it for awhile to see if it works, Christine. None of us knows if that's an accurate burn for you. It looks right to me, or at least comparable to what I would burn for that many steps and I have always eaten what Fitbit tells me to eat. But until you actually either eat back all your calories, half of your calories, or none of your calories for a month or so and gauge your results against Fitbit's prediction for you, you're not going to be sure.*

    I also agree that most MFP users do not understand how Fitbit works.


    *that means choose just one of those options and do it consistently. Not jump around from one to another.
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    I just now read on the boards that if you up your activity level from sedentary to lightly active or active than ignore the fitbit steps as they are already counted in my activity settings of lightly active.

    That's wrong. Your Fitbit burn is TDEE (aka your maintenance calories). Adjustments are the difference between your Fitbit burn & your MFP activity level.

    If (and only if) you enable negative calorie adjustments, then eating back your adjustments means you're eating TDEE minus deficit.

    If you increase your activity level, then you'll start with more calories but get smaller adjustments.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    ^^^^ You're right ^^^^ It's only been 3 weeks. And I have chopped and changed from one to another quite a few times!! :flushed:
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Everything was fine and dandy before I got the bloomin fitbit heybales
    There's just too much conflicting opinions floating around here...

    Well, actually, you didn't understand at the time, how much potential inaccuracy there was in just MFP as a tool.

    If you followed the MFP method, logged exercise, ate back those calories, reached your daily eating goal, and lost exactly what you selected to lose - then you were indeed the rare bird who picked an activity level that actually matched dead on your actual activity level.

    If you were not losing exactly what the math said you should, then you experienced it first hand.

    So was everything fine and dandy really, or just didn't know?

    There's a reason why the phrase says "ignorance is bliss". If it's working well, that can be so true.

    And you can duplicate that right now as so many have encouraged you to do.

    Eat what MFP says to eat.

    You trusted MFP before without probably totally understanding where the goal came from - why should you now decide that not-understanding means you should not follow it?
  • thorsonej
    thorsonej Posts: 10 Member
    edited April 2015
    Just to give you an idea of how accurate the Fitbit can be, I did the math for the past 30 days. For reference, I have a One. My average daily burn for the month was 3057 calories. My daily average intake was 2832. Difference between the two 225 calories (I'm set at 250cal deficit, but don't always stick exactly to it). Mathematically I should have lost 1.9lbs in the past month. I lost 1.6lbs. I'd say that's pretty darn close for what is nothing more than an estimate.

    I manually log all of my non-step exercises, and weigh as much of my food as is practical. I just eat what MFP/Fitbit tell me to eat, and lose just about the predicted amount of weight. I'm sure if I was 100% accurate with my intake measurement, it'd be even closer, but sometimes it's just not feasible to weight everything.
  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
    Can someone clarify the different activity levels for me?

    I started here just over two months ago - I work from home at a computer-related job, so I was *definitely* the poster child for sedentary, :) and have MFP set accordingly. My only current form of exercise is walking, and I track that with a Fitbit Zip, which is enabled to record negative adjustments. I'm currently walking in the 12 to 15K range of steps per day, having worked my way up.

    What will happen if I up my activity level on MFP to lightly active or higher? Or should I just leave well enough alone? I don't eat back all of my earned calories (maybe between 25 and 30% because I'm post menopausal and have hypo-thyroid, plus leaving wiggle room for inaccuracies in food logging or Fitbit calculations), my macros are set to lose 1.5 lbs per week, and so far, so good. I want everything to be as accurate as possible, so should I change it? Leave it? And what exactly changes at a higher activity level?

    I don't think this is all meant to be so confusing, but lordie it is! :)
  • FishyK
    FishyK Posts: 147 Member
    edited April 2015
    I currently work from home remotely and most of my exercise is walking. I have my activity level set to sedentary and let Fitbit=>MFP adjust my calories based on activity. I have had work bomb days where I barely move away from my computer and it's good to see the consequences in the form of a smaller calorie allowance.
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
    Can someone clarify the different activity levels for me?

    The activity levels just help MFP give you the right number of calories to start the day with. If you need (or want) to plan all your food for the day first thing in the morning, then setting your activity level accurately is important.

    So, some people set their activity level to reflect their normal level of activity, including exercise. So, a person with a desk job but who exercises every day might set it to the same level as someone who rarely exercises, but has a job that involves a moderate amount of standing and walking. In this case, the goal is to find a setting such that for most days they end the day with a minimal "Fitbit calorie adjustment" - either positive or negative, but as close to zero as possible.

    Other people (me included) set their activity level to what would correspond to their job or their natural activity level. So, someone with a desk job (or someone like me - I'm retired and my natural inclination is to be inactive) would set their activity level to Sedentary even if they normally get an average of 17K steps (my current average) because they exercise daily. In this case, someone like that ends up with a large positive Fitbit calorie adjustment by the end of the day. This approach works well for me. I'm more motivated by seeing the extra calories I'm awarded by being active than I am by starting the day with more calories. If I started the day with more calories, but didn't get into a positive calorie adjustment until evening, I'd get discouraged and probably move less.
  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
    Thank you Nancy! That explained it well.

    I will leave my setting at sedentary, because I don't want to be automatically allotted more calories at the beginning of each day by setting a higher activity level on MFP. I want to earn them directly through walking. I enjoy seeing the impact my activity has on the # of 'bonus' calories I'm allocated through Fitbit. :)
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I'd suggest too that if you are willing to trust the initial calorie eating goal without knowing how it came about - then accept the correction that MFP makes using the Fitbit stats, and trust still eating your calorie goal.

    That adjustment can be useful encouragement. I think that's why folks like seeing the steps too, or Active Minutes.
  • focused4health
    focused4health Posts: 154 Member
    I am retired and inactive except for walking 15k steps a day. I have my activity level set for sedentary. Prior to getting this my second fit it I was using Map my fitness app to log my walking outside and on the treadmill. Now I let fitbit do the lot. I try not to eat back calories but occasionally go over my daily allowance when I am hungry. Maybe I should up to lightly active which just means that at the end of the day I would have a deficit of maybe 400 to 500 calories instead of 700 to 900 calories. Makes no difference if you are not eating back the deficit. Probably in the mind but not the body.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    NancyN795 wrote: »
    I think i was naive in thinking that my fitbit would simply work out my steps, and then mfp would give me my calorie burn.

    No, you weren't naive. Don't over-think it.

    I do exactly what you thought you'd be able to do. I let my Fitbit detect my steps (and my heart rate now, since I got the HR), compute a calorie burn from that (and, of course the other settings such as age, height & weight) and let MFP tell me how many calories I can eat. I eat those calories and I'm losing at the expected rate.

    Unless you are unusual (like the person who posted recently whose job involves dancing in a heavy "character" costume), you should relax, trust your Fitbit, and give it a little time to see if it works for you.

    Tune out the people who say that Fitbits don't work (they do for many, don't for a few), that walking isn't exercise (they're wrong - I burned almost 700 calories today on a 4 mile walk), or that you need to do complex calculations to get your exact calorie burn (only if you're an athlete working towards a specific goal, I'd think).

    The only reason to worry about getting the right activity level is so that you have a better prediction early in the day as to how many calories you'll be able to eat.

    This. I had to make a minor adjustment to my MFP goal - my FitBit was overestimating by 100ish calories. Otherwise, just let the FitBit feed adjustments into MFP when you sync it over the course of the day.
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
    I am retired and inactive except for walking 15k steps a day. I have my activity level set for sedentary. Prior to getting this my second fit it I was using Map my fitness app to log my walking outside and on the treadmill. Now I let fitbit do the lot. I try not to eat back calories but occasionally go over my daily allowance when I am hungry. Maybe I should up to lightly active which just means that at the end of the day I would have a deficit of maybe 400 to 500 calories instead of 700 to 900 calories. Makes no difference if you are not eating back the deficit. Probably in the mind but not the body.

    You really should eat back your exercise calories. Losing weight tends to induce the body to become more efficient at using the calories you eat. Exercise can help counteract that but only to a point. If you have too big a calorie deficit you're not going to lose fat faster, you're going to lose muscle. The recommendation is 1/2 pound per week for every 25 pounds you have to lose and 1 pound a week is a 500 calorie daily deficit. Your calorie allotment from MFP already has the deficit you asked for built into it, so when you don't eat back your exercise calories, you're creating an even bigger deficit. Perhaps too big. I have MFP set for a 250 daily calorie deficit, but I know that I can safely lose up to 1.5 pounds per week, so if I have more than 500 calories left at the end of the day, I have a bedtime snack.
  • WotsTheCraic
    WotsTheCraic Posts: 12 Member
    Hi,

    i have found that the fitbit app is the best for 'keeping everything in order'.

    i log my food with My Fitness Pal and when exercising i use endomondo sports tracking app with a heart rate monitor, basically because that app has the best set up for indoor excercising (treadmill, bike etc) but also has a good variety of outdoor activities listed (snowboarding, skiing etc).

    i sync My Fitness Pal and endomondo with Fitbit rather than with eachother, i really do find that the tracking and desktop graphics of Fitbit are hard to beat.

    i have attached my screen shot off my phone from today.

    linking everything to fitbit really does make the whole keeping track and cal in vs out clearly visible.

    hope this info is useful.

    Craic

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