Advice on HUGE races

jessspurr
jessspurr Posts: 258 Member
edited November 16 in Social Groups
Hey runners!
In five weeks I am participating in the San Diego Rock and Roll 1/2 marathon. Why? Because my mom and cousin wanted to and I wanted a trip to San Diego. I'm not sure a Rock and Roll race was on my running bucket list, but whatever. I am from a town of 30K and the running community is small here. Most of the 5-10Ks here have like 50 people running them. The largest race I ran was my marathon last year and I think there were about 300-400 people in that.
What am I in for here with this Rock and Roll thing in San Diego? Do you have any advice for a country bumpkin? I am really looking forward to the experience but I think there is going to be A LOT of people. I have myself in the 12:30 pace group. Is it better to be in the slower pace group or the faster pace group? Does it REALLY take 45 minutes to get to the starting line? Aaack! Fear of the unknown here!

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  • sinister2014
    sinister2014 Posts: 92 Member
    i don't know anything about the SD set up but here's my big race experience

    i ran disney in Orlando in 2013 (the year before they cut back the entry numbers - approx 25,000 runners i believe) and there were definite bottle necks at some spots to the point where we had to actually walk.
    it was confirmed in the first 5 minutes it wasn't going to be a PR type race so i just ran it with my friend and we had a blast taking our time.
    try to get in as fast a corral as possible. i was supposed to be in "B" but my friend didn't have a time submitted so we got bumped back to E and there were people walking 4 wide less than a km into the race.
    my race was a staggered start so we didn't actually start running until a half an hour after the race officially started.
  • Eaglesfanintn
    Eaglesfanintn Posts: 813 Member
    I ran the Chicago Marathon in 2013 - 39,000 finished the race. If there's one good thing about a big race, it's that it makes it hard to go out too fast. Waiting around for your corral to start sucks. I did Disney this year and, like sinister2014, moved back to run with some friends. We didn't start actually running until about 45 minutes after the "start".
    I did the Nashville marathon (another Rock 'n Roll event) and thought they did an ok job. I wasn't wowed by it, but it was ok.
    I guess the only real advice is to enjoy the day, don't worry about a slow start - if you really want to, you can always make up the time in later miles. And, hey, you'll be in San Diego. Can't be all bad.
  • Colorado_Joni
    Colorado_Joni Posts: 25 Member
    edited April 2015
    Also no experience with RnR SD, but last fall I ran the Chicago marathon. Took awhile for me to get past the start line, but I prepared myself for that going into it. During that time, I really just did my best to relax and stay calm - chat with someone, take some photos, visualize yourself crossing the finish line! Honestly, once things got going, I never felt crowded, and there were 40,000 runners! I have felt way more crowded at smaller races, as they tend to be on smaller roads/trails and are sometimes not as well organized. Don't sweat it too much, as the RnR organization is well experienced in crowd control. Hope you have a blast!!
  • kristinegift
    kristinegift Posts: 2,406 Member
    edited April 2015
    Not sure about SD specifically, but from my experience doing large races (Disney half, Bix 7 (19k people running 7 miles!), Chicago half), expect the first 1-2 miles to be a bit below pace. Don't immediately try to dart forward and around other people, because you'll tire yourself out. You'll have to exercise a lot of patience, because people will cut you off and you'll unknowingly cut off other people, and it will be overwhelming and frustrating. I find that it's easier if you go with the flow more or less for 1-2 miles, and avoid the first aid station when people are the most bunched up.

    I don't know how many people are in the SD RnR, but at Chicago, I was in corral K or something out of like, A-Z maybe, and there were 30k people there, and it definitely didn't take more than 10 minutes to get to the start. So 45 minutes is probably an exaggeration :)
  • briebee7
    briebee7 Posts: 224 Member
    I ran the SD Rock n' Roll Marathon as my 1st (and only, 2nd will be Sunday) marathon but it was 12 years ago and prior to them adding in the 1/2 marathon option. There will be a TON of people and thus plan for more time for everything (bathroom, getting your bib at the expo, the start line, etc). Also, make a clear plan with your family on where to meet after the race. They have huge "family reunion" area set up with letters on tall polls. Pick a time and letter and have that be your meet spot. Even if you are running together there is a chance you will lose each other. :)

    It takes a long time for all of the waves to start. So if you are starting with the 12:30 group it just may take you 30-45 minutes to get to the actual start line (i.e 10 waves in front of you with 3 minutes in between start times would take about 30-35 minutes for everyone to start in those waves ahead of you). Your time will be chipped though and your actual time won't start until you cross the start line. If you plan on actually running/keeping a 12:30 pace then you are probably good in that corral/wave. If you are trying be conservative and generally run faster (i.e 12/11:30 pace) then you may be better off trying to change to a faster corral.

    You should have awesome crowd support and hopefully great weather. Enjoy!
  • blgerig
    blgerig Posts: 174 Member
    I've mostly participated in big races and like the crowd support and such that offers. I have run RnR DC half twice and yes it might take you that long to get to the start as they hold each group a bit for crowding purposes. Just give yourself plenty of time at the expo, to get to the start line, etc. (Although sometimes I find the bigger races have very quick well organized expos). Also personally at the bigger races I avoid checking a bag if at all possible so that is one less crowded thing to worry about. And if you are meeting up with friends or family after the race, pick a place in advance in case phones aren't working or something (it has happened to me!) Relax, and good luck!
  • twinmom_112002
    twinmom_112002 Posts: 739 Member
    Make sure that if you are planning on running together that you wear a color that will stand out. I ran a smallish 5K a couple of weekends ago (5,000 run/walkers) and because it was the Angel's race everyone was wearing their race shirts. The hubby and I wore our normal running attire. Really helped that he was in white in a sea of red when we got separated due to walkers, slow runners.

    When I ran surf city (tons of people) hubby was able to find me because I was wearing grey capris and the majority of other people were wearing black.
  • jessspurr
    jessspurr Posts: 258 Member
    Thanks everybody! So, the race is in San Diego, but it starts at 6:50am. If we have to be in our "corrals" waiting for a long time (30-45 minutes). What do people do about warmth during that time? I am planning on just wearing a tank top for the run because even that early, once I get started a tank top will be fine, but I'm worried about the standing around...I'm thinking disposable mylar blanket?
  • twinmom_112002
    twinmom_112002 Posts: 739 Member
    edited April 2015
    I will sometime get a sweatshirt at Kmart or goodwill that I will discard at the start. Often races will have a pick-up and donation to goodwill of everything that gets left (although you might want to verify that for the RnR San Diego). It will be chilly (okay...I am a CA resident) in the morning in San Diego.
  • kristinegift
    kristinegift Posts: 2,406 Member
    I will sometime get a sweatshirt at Kmart or goodwill that I will discard at the start. Often races will have a pick-up and donation to goodwill of everything that gets left (although you might want to verify that for the RnR San Diego). It will be chilly (okay...I am a CA resident) in the morning in San Diego.

    I did this for the Baltimore marathon. I got a sweatshirt for $5 or $10 at Walmart, but it ended up being so soft and comfy that I was sad to toss it aside! You could also dig around at a Goodwill for some oversized sweater or an 80s-style warm up jacket. Or wear a garbage bag (though that's far less cute ;))
  • jessspurr
    jessspurr Posts: 258 Member
    Well, I'm looking at photos of the starting line from previous years and everyone seems to just be chillin' sleeveless. I guess I will also have a couple of mornings in SD before the race to feel it out. Thanks everyone!
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    *shudder* sounds horrible.

    Most of the races I've got on the calendar are capped at 400-500
  • runfoorun
    runfoorun Posts: 314 Member
    I'm from the area. Although I've never run RnR I've done a couple of other popular races in SD. Give yourself plenty of time to get to the expo to get your bib, as it'll be a pain to park. Get to the start line early as well as the parking will get more difficult as the morning goes. The morning will be chilly but a lot of people actually have issues with the heat during this race. You'll be standing around for a long while before the start so keep sipping on water and hydrate at every aid station if you're not used to the warmer/humid weather. If you feel you're too far back in the corrals you can always sneak further up. I like to start in the slow corrals though so I don't go out too fast. The RnR races are generally very well organized though and have huge alphabetized meeting areas from A-Z so you can plan to wait for friends ahead of time. Don't bother with a drop bag, it's always more of a hassle than it's worth at these big races. Check out the Ghirardelli Chocolate shop while you're in downtown SD :)
  • SonicDeathMonkey80
    SonicDeathMonkey80 Posts: 4,489 Member
    Chicago Marathon was my first big race. I would just arrive to everything early. The race should do a good job of guiding folks around, as it is not your first race either. Take a look at the start line, course, and expo maps and reread the guidelines that were provided to you.
  • DavidMartinez2
    DavidMartinez2 Posts: 840 Member
    I've run the full at RnR SD the past two years. For the starting line questions, you should realize you can't park at the starting line and it is not the same location as the finish. You take a shuttle from the finish area to the park which can take almost 30 minutes. Normally conditions are warm enough you don't need any throw away clothes.

    I haven't done the half but I've heard the course is real nice and fast. The last 3-4 miles you are running alongside the marathoners and it is a huge mass of people. There are 3-4 traffic lanes dedicated to the half and it looked like a solid wall of people coming down the hill. I do not know what pace group that was so your experience may be different. The finishing area is huge but there are so many people wandering about with no idea of where they are supposed to go it can be a bit of a mess.
  • jessspurr
    jessspurr Posts: 258 Member
    *shudder* sounds horrible.

    I sort of agree with you. Running a huge race is something I've wanted to experience, but I imagine once will be enough!
  • Roxiegirl2008
    Roxiegirl2008 Posts: 756 Member
    I have run several Rock n Roll races. I really love their. Yes, they are a little big but the crowd typically thins out as people get through the start. They have really great course support and tons of people are out cheering you on (at least in Savannah and New Orleans).

    I stay warm at the start line by wearing a trash bag.

    We are doing the RnR in Portland in May.

    Enjoy the race...but one thing to beware...some groups (not affiliated with the race) will have water stations and will also include beer. Could be a harsh surprise. HAA
  • jessspurr
    jessspurr Posts: 258 Member
    runfoorun wrote: »
    The morning will be chilly but a lot of people actually have issues with the heat during this race...Check out the Ghirardelli Chocolate shop while you're in downtown SD :)

    Great to know! How hot are we talking? I'm shooting for under 2:30 for the half (slow, I know!) so, if it starts at 6:50, I get to the starting line at 7:30 (worst case scenario), I would be done by 10am. Will it be like 80 degrees? That might be tough for me. I have zero experience running in heat and sun. I hear that you shouldn't wear sunscreen while you are running because it stops you from sweating or something so it makes you overheat more? Oh man. A whole new side to this!
    Ghirardelli shop? That sounds like heaven!
  • congruns
    congruns Posts: 127 Member
    LA Marathon was my first big race and I went into it as with a Prom attitude: relax, have fun, enjoy the sights, crowd, and experience. Save your PR efforts for smaller races.

    Ask friends for old clothes they are going to get rid of to wear while waiting for the start. I still have my old clothes from my obese days, so discarding those at the start of a race is pretty rewarding.

    I never thought I would run a RnR event because of their recent problems in the courts, but the recent running cruise I booked included RnR Seattle as part of the cruise, so I decided to part take in June.
  • taeliesyn
    taeliesyn Posts: 1,116 Member
    edited April 2015
    jessspurr wrote: »
    I hear that you shouldn't wear sunscreen while you are running because it stops you from sweating or something so it makes you overheat more? Oh man. A whole new side to this!
    Coming from someone who lives in the land of skin cancer (Damn Ozone hole!!!) wear the sunscreen. I've never heard of it causing over heating or interfering with sweating.
    Just make sure you get it on an hour or so before the race so it can be absorbed. If you're going to skip any area's it would be the forehead/above the eyes as sweat+sunscreen in the eyes is 10 times worse than straight sweat. Just wear a visor or cap if you skip.
  • jessspurr
    jessspurr Posts: 258 Member
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    If you're going to skip any area's it would be the forehead/above the eyes as sweat+sunscreen in the eyes is 10 times worse than straight sweat. Just wear a visor or cap if you skip.
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    Fantastic advice and something I never would have thought of! Thanks!
  • kristinegift
    kristinegift Posts: 2,406 Member
    taeliesyn wrote: »
    jessspurr wrote: »
    I hear that you shouldn't wear sunscreen while you are running because it stops you from sweating or something so it makes you overheat more? Oh man. A whole new side to this!
    Coming from someone who lives in the land of skin cancer (Damn Ozone hole!!!) wear the sunscreen. I've never heard of it causing over heating or interfering with sweating.
    Just make sure you get it on an hour or so before the race so it can be absorbed. If you're going to skip any area's it would be the forehead/above the eyes as sweat+sunscreen in the eyes is 10 times worse than straight sweat. Just wear a visor or cap if you skip.

    Also regarding sunscreen: I use a Neutrogena sunscreen (SPF 70!!) and it's the only one I've found that doesn't get sweat+sunscreen in my eyes. It doesn't run at all. I usually just use it on my face and neck and chest though since that's where I'll burn the worst (and at $15/tube, I'm not wasting it!), and then I use a spray-on sunscreen for my arms and legs.
  • dewd2
    dewd2 Posts: 2,445 Member
    Good information here. I was thinking of asking the same questions....

    My first HM will also be San Diego. I'll be flying out the week before with my family and attending a few ball games. My biggest challenge will be not overeating all week in the Gas Lamp District. :smile:

    I'm running with Team in Training and they will have all the transportation setup as well as having coaches and experienced runners there so I feel confident that the race will be an enjoyable one (even if I am with 30,000 of my closets friends :wink: )
  • STrooper
    STrooper Posts: 659 Member
    A couple of things.

    Yes, it really can take that long to get to the starting line. The worst part can be that last drink you took just before you left for the corral. Too late to stand in line for the porta' jons. My last drink (small one at that) is two hours before race start. Stay hydrated, yes;

    How to dress? You may with wish to start with some disposable clothing (an expensive sweatshirt from a thrift shop, Goodwill, etc.), but dress for the expected temperature at your corral start time plus 15-20 minutes. Getting warmed up in the later starting corrals can be a challenge, but you are going out slow enough that you can gradually warm over the first mile or two. You can shed that sweatshirt (make sure your bib isn't pinned to that). If its something you don't want to leave beside the road, you'll end up with it wrapped around your waist or carrying it. Your timing chip is worn on your shoe

    The key is dressing for temperature, not weather. Below about 40 degrees, I'll typically run in tights. I have different weights for differing temperatures. Above 40, I run in shorts and try to keep my upper body warm. Except for rain, your body will act like it is whatever the outside temperature is plus 15-20 degrees. In rain, it is a little trickier. I've run a marathon in rain at 40-42°F in a long sleeve running shirt and shorts. I was warm enough during the race, but needed some dry clothes and a space blanket at the end of the race.

    You corral will eventually start spreading out with distance but it might take several miles. Try to run in straight lines and the shortest distance rather than running around a lot of people or running the outside of the curve because others are doing it. You have to weigh how much others slow you down (or how much you are slowing others) by going around groups of runners. It can add a lot of mileage to your race and some of that may be unavoidable.

    Sometimes you have to decide whether running the shortest line is really the easiest. In a recent race, the high crown nature of the road offered a trade off of running on the slant or running near the center of the road where the road was "flatter."

    Unless you are back with the sweepers, you are unlikely to be alone in these big races.

    Coming into and leaving the watering stations can be interesting. I always slow down and walk through. Its just easier not to get tripped up and drink what I need.

    The way they bring you into the finish area can be a challenge because it can be pretty narrow if the do like they often do with separate (parallel) finish lanes for half and full marathons.

    And as always "more cowbell!"
  • Samstan101
    Samstan101 Posts: 699 Member
    I did my first marathon yesterday (London) and loved and hated it in equal measures. As a fellow country bumpkin at times I found the crowds overwhelming. The crowds were incredibly supportive but at certain points I just wanted a few moments of quiet, I found that at times it felt like total sensory overload with people whooping and cheering. Be prepared for constant noise! 24hrs later it was an awesome experience but at times yesterday it was actually pretty tough going as I couldn't gather my thoughts. If I'd been prepared for that then it'd have been easier but really had no idea of the sheer size of the crowds for the whole 26.2 miles. But I'd do it again, I'd just be more prepared. Hope you have a great race and enjoy the experience :)
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    I've done the Chicago Marathon (2006, so ages ago), various other less big Chicago races, and the Chicago Tri (twice, huge for a tri), and I'd say that if you care about time at all line up a bit faster than you think you will go (because plenty of people who plan to walk line up too far up), but also just accept that you are going to be slowed down in the first bit due to the crowd.

    I started well in the Marathon when I did it, but have a tendency to nervous bladder and stopped at the first bathroom stop (which was idiotic) because I was worried there wouldn't be more and I'd think about it for the next 23 miles or whatever. As a result I ended up in the middle of a bigger crowd during one of the narrower parts of the race and wasted tons of energy being frustrated and trying to get around people who were going slower than I wanted to. Poor planning. I would have been much better (other than not stopping) to decide I was resting up for my negative split or something.
  • litsy3
    litsy3 Posts: 783 Member
    Well done on your first marathon Samstan - I did London on Sunday too (and it was my first marathon in 2013) and I love the crowds but agree it can be a bit overwhelming!
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