Okay, Who's YOUR nomination for the Worlds Second Best Cyclist then ???
TheBigYin
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Obviously, there's no point in asking who the Best cyclist ever is... that place has been sewn up for years by Eddy Merckx since the early 1970's, and, with the modern trend for Grand Tour riders not to race anything but their one or two chosen tours and a couple of "previews" it's unlikely anyone's going to have a chance at equalling Eddys palmares.
So, with P1 sewn up, what's your nomination for the second best ever racing cyclist out there, past or present.
For me, I think on balance I'd have to Go with Il Campianissimo - Fausto Coppi - 2 Tour de France Wins (9 stage wins), 5 Giro d'Italia Wins (22 stage wins), World Road Race Champion, Hour Record Holder (for 14 years), 3xMilan-Sanremos, Paris Roubaix, 5xGiro di Lombardia, 4xNational Champion and a string of other wins. And all this in a career that was interrupted for 4 years by WW2 and a spell as a Prisoner of War... Sadly, after losing his brother Serse in a cycling accident he never truly regained his ultimate form, and his career never really matched its earlier heights.
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So, what do the rest of you reckon ?? There's plenty of candidates - off hand I could have cheerfully gone for any of half a dozen...
So, with P1 sewn up, what's your nomination for the second best ever racing cyclist out there, past or present.
For me, I think on balance I'd have to Go with Il Campianissimo - Fausto Coppi - 2 Tour de France Wins (9 stage wins), 5 Giro d'Italia Wins (22 stage wins), World Road Race Champion, Hour Record Holder (for 14 years), 3xMilan-Sanremos, Paris Roubaix, 5xGiro di Lombardia, 4xNational Champion and a string of other wins. And all this in a career that was interrupted for 4 years by WW2 and a spell as a Prisoner of War... Sadly, after losing his brother Serse in a cycling accident he never truly regained his ultimate form, and his career never really matched its earlier heights.
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So, what do the rest of you reckon ?? There's plenty of candidates - off hand I could have cheerfully gone for any of half a dozen...
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Being quite 'new to the game' I haven't got a good enough 'grounding in the sport' really to promote or cast aspersions towards any rider.
Eddy is deffo No. 1, without a shadow of a doubt. Will anyone ever surpass his victories in the modern age? I doubt it very much...
Bernard Hinault Has to be up there too? What about Sean Kelly or Jacques Anquetil?
At least I remember Sean Kelly, so for me, I've been doing 'the calculations' and he's my pick for No. 2, why not?0 -
Anquetil and the Badger, definite strong contenders, Five TdFs each, two giros for Maitre Jaques and three for Bernard... Must admit they were very close to the top of my list as well...
But I like your choice of King Kelly... you have to wonder if he'd have done more in the TdF or Giro if he had been riding for a non Spanish team... His season was always based around the classics and vuelta, because that's where the team sponsors wanted him to be showing the jersey.
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I'm like @cloggsy71 in that I'm a new enough convert to the sport that I'm not grounded enough in the history to make any really valid recommendations. That said, I've read about Coppi's life and career quite a bit. Based on my limited knowledge of other riders I'd have to second Coppi's nomination.0
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I'm like @cloggsy71 in that I'm a new enough convert to the sport that I'm not grounded enough in the history to make any really valid recommendations. That said, I've read about Coppi's life and career quite a bit. Based on my limited knowledge of other riders I'd have to second Coppi's nomination.
There's a brilliant book about Coppi by William Fotheringham - "Fallen Angel - The Passion of Fausto Coppi" (Amazon Linky here )
actually, that's an idea for another thread as well - book reccomendations - looks like I may be laid off the bike for a while, and some quality reading matter recommendations might not go amiss...
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I think you guys are missing 2 of the greatest ever I think one already rivals Merckx and it looks like the other is right on track to bypass everyone who has ever lived. Firstly Marianna Vos is probably the greatest cyclist that has ever lived. When it comes to overall wins and she races and has been world champion in road, cylocross, and mountain bike.
Then you have to look at Pauline Ferrand Prevot. She is currently the world champion in all three major disciplines at the same time. Road world champion, cross world champion, and cyclocross world champion all at the same time. If she can stay healthy she looks to bypass even Marianna Vos.0 -
Duh, me.
All jokes aside, I'll second the Vos nomination and add a Rebecca Rusch (the Queen of Pain) for her MTB exploits (Leadville, Kokopelli record holder). Although Kelly, Coppi, Hinault are all worthy #2s. Kind of a bummer that we'll never see a cyclist like these folks again - too much specialization/focus on doing 1 thing well and the rest can go by the wayside currently0 -
There's a brilliant book about Coppi by William Fotheringham - "Fallen Angel - The Passion of Fausto Coppi" (Amazon Linky here )
actually, that's an idea for another thread as well - book reccomendations - looks like I may be laid off the bike for a while, and some quality reading matter recommendations might not go amiss...
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I must admit I was concentrating on the Mens side of the sport - the entire nature of the womens road-racing calendar - i.e. the fact that there's no big 3 week tours for the women, the 13 mens 2.uwt 1 week tours as compared to the womens 10 W2.1 races, and 14 vs 18 days of 1 day racing - means theres a far more sparse racing program for the ladies than the guys have access to.
Which kind of allows for the flexibility for some of the ladies to actually fit in riding cross and MTB as well as the road - I know some of the guys ride cross and road, something I love to see, mainly as it means they come into my favourite part of the racing season - the spring classics - fit and in top form... I'm not aware of any/many that actually compete in MTB races as well though.*
So I find it hard to compare like-for-like between the men and women - though I wholeheartedly think that Vos is something else, and certainly a valid contender.
* MTB, well, i'll admit that it's not really something that floats my boat when it comes to following the racing - I know Cadel Evans came from a MTB background, and of course Sagan had a dirt-origins, but that's as far as my knowledge goes - fat tyres just don't do much for me as a spectator sport I'm afraid, and as for participation - the nearest worthwhile mountains from me are either an 8 hour+ drive into Scotland or a trip to the Alps (UK access laws mean most of the interesting bits of welsh/british mountain areas are effectively off limits for bikes) - I prefer to stick to the road
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Yeh I'm a new boy too so only really familiar with current names although Eddys story is facinating and a great starting point for cycle racing education.
How about number 1 for cheating git prize: Lance Armstrong anyone?0 -
Might have to invoke the "Voldemort Rule" on that one...
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Jakess1971 wrote: »...a great starting point for cycle racing education.
If you want a good start: try some of these...
Jaques Anquetil - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sex-Lies-Handlebar-Tape-Remarkable-ebook/dp/B004WOETSE/ref=pd_sim_351_10?ie=UTF8&refRID=0CZHZ4M3NE455DENPRZA
Laurent Fignon - http://www.amazon.co.uk/We-Were-Young-Carefree-Autobiography-ebook/dp/B003SNJYQ2/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1442403016&sr=1-1&keywords=laurent+fignon
Marco Pantani - http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Death-Marco-Pantani-Biography-ebook/dp/B009S8AV2M/ref=pd_sim_351_9?ie=UTF8&refRID=0984TB1XEY5GNMD0ECXJ
Robert Millar - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Search-Robert-Millar-Unravelling-Surrounding-ebook/dp/B002RI9ZYA/ref=pd_sim_351_8?ie=UTF8&refRID=0HT7GVS023PMAV6B74ZS
Greg Lemond - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Slaying-Badger-LeMond-Hinault-Greatest-ebook/dp/B0050OLH6M/ref=pd_sim_351_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0CR0M8FV00WDNEEV3106
David Millar - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Racing-Through-Dark-David-Millar-ebook/dp/B0053YQDIG/ref=pd_sim_351_16?ie=UTF8&refRID=06R47KRY9S4SV946XBT1
Tom Simpson - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Put-Me-Back-On-Bike-ebook/dp/B00A8FXT28/ref=pd_sim_351_41?ie=UTF8&refRID=06R47KRY9S4SV946XBT1
plus a few more non-specific ones
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rough-Ride-Insight-into-Cycling-ebook/dp/B008YUNILQ/ref=pd_sim_351_12?ie=UTF8&refRID=0MRTBY4672NYVR0RW3WN
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Blood-Secret-Life-France-ebook/dp/B0038LB4VW/ref=pd_sim_351_11?ie=UTF8&refRID=0VWR86Z11PDTPA27ACDC
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Race-Madmen-History-Tour-France-ebook/dp/B0051ANQRI/ref=pd_sim_351_35?ie=UTF8&refRID=0TNS2YY6Y2P9384BRYJF
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wide-Eyed-Legless-Inside-Tour-France-ebook/dp/B0050OM2Z2/ref=pd_sim_351_69?ie=UTF8&refRID=1VC6SVB90C39ZY4NZQBC
and a couple of "light relief" ones...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ebooks/dp/B00HDHRRTK/ref=pd_sim_351_40?ie=UTF8&refRID=1VC6SVB90C39ZY4NZQBC
http://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Revolutions-Cycling-Tour-France-ebook/dp/B004J4VZC0/ref=pd_sim_351_15?ie=UTF8&refRID=1VC6SVB90C39ZY4NZQBC
http://www.amazon.co.uk/One-More-Kilometre-Were-Showers/dp/0002571943/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1442403545&sr=8-2-fkmr3&keywords=one+more+kilometer+and+we
(all from my bookshelf, all of which I've enjoyed the read, most of which I've learned a hell of a lot from.)
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and on the Subject of Eddy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hnLjiTzejo "La Course en Tete" - 1h40ish of pure 1974 cycle racing (and some very irritating music on the title sequence - try and get past that, it's worth the suffering)
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In the "General Education" category, I really enjoyed this one:
amazon.com/Etape-Great-Stages-Modern-France/dp/1937715302/
And in the "Light Relief" category, this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Cycling-10-Day-Euro/dp/1937715248/
I have "Slaying the Badger" and "The Death of Marco Pantani" on my shelf but I haven't read them yet. And my copy of "Fallen Angel - The Passion of Fausto Coppi" arrived today. I'll be delving into that one tonight.0 -
Looks like I have a lot of reading to do!0
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Sadly maybe we need a doped / never-doped categorization -- if it is even possible to sort that out.0
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Read the first 50 or so pages of the Coppi book last night. Fascinating. Thanks again for the recommendation Mark.0
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The man, the legend, The Cannibal, Eddy Merckx, right here in Richmond, VA this morning for the Worlds....
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he's looking a little better now he's put some weight back on... he lost a hell of a lot a few years ago, and it REALLY showed in his face... did you get to speak to him - I met him quite a few years ago now, think it was the Kellogs Tour back in 1992, a stage of which finished in Leeds... I literally walked around a corner from the finishing line, and he was climbing out of the Comissaires Caravan. Walked up, gushed like a schoolgirl and managed to tell him he was my alltime hero and shook his hand. He was Great, took the time to chat, said he was impressed at the turnout of people for the finish, in a country that wasn't a traditional cycling country... I reminded him that Tom Simpson and Brian Robinson came from within 20 miles of the finish line... He just said "Ah yes, I forgot..." Never meet your hero's my *kitten*!!
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I should also add, as a final coda to that story... as I walked away, I was kicking myself for not mentioning Barry Hoban as well - another Wakefield lad, and one who was regularly knocking handlebars in the sprints with Eddy...
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