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Meat eaters quick question

Grimmerick
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I just thought of a great topic for this group that I actually dont' think I have seen posted or at least not for a while. I am a pescetarian so I eat seafood but not any other meats. I used to but at some point I just couldn't turn a blind eye anymore to the horrible conditions most factory farmed animals live in and the abuse of them as well. While I will eat the occasional bite of my fiances steak, I will only eat it if it was raised and slaughtered humanely (but to be honest I really just dont like meat much anymore) See I don't have a problem with the killing of animals for food, I just don't eat what I can't guarantee didn't suffer and have a normal happy life. So my question is for the meat eaters. Do you care where your meat comes from? Does it matter if the animal was miserable and factory farmed? Do you care and just try not to think about it (what I used to do)? Or do you feel that animals are here for whatever uses humans want and their pain and or suffering doesn't mean much? This is a great topic for Debate! All opinions welcome I really just want other peoples honest perspectives on it
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I care to a certain extent. I'd prefer they were raised well, but I don't check. Blissful ignorance, maybe? I watched a TV programme called 'Meet your Meat' where you met your cow, and took it through the slaughter process and I know I couldn't do it which I know makes me a hypocrite. I don't (and don't try to, I admit) make the association between cute big eyed cows and steak. But I'm happy this way - I sometimes wonder if I should care more, and I'm glad I don't - my friend gets genuinely upset about things that don't upset me (animals, climate, even the X Factor!!!) and I'm glad they don't upset me - life's hard enough!0
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Have been pretty particular about this since probably the mid-80s, when I hit my adolescence and started learning about factory farming and overuse of antibiotics and stuff in animal populations. I'm not 100%, but absolutely care and try at all costs to avoid especially some kinds of meats unless they're definitely not battery raised or feed-lot finished. I care much less about the organic certification - we know that local farmers and stuff may use practices very much in line with organic cert. but can't pay to have the evaluation, etc. etc., and it is less meaningful to me that every step of the feed and care chain be totally chemical free (I also see a place for allopathic medicine). I did used to also feel that, if you couldn't cope with killing, gutting and butchering something, you probably shouldn't eat meat - having field-dressed and butchered a deer, I felt I really was deeply OK with eating meat in general. Then I went through a period when the thought of any meat, fish included, and even eggs (my favorite food, just about), was stomach turning - felt like I just couldn't cope with the violence. I'd see my own back in a pork chop... etc... I still get that from time to time. I have no ethical problem with the fundamental concept of animals eating other animals, but big rational/political problems with how humans do that, now, and periodic maybe emotional, but just visceral problems with just killing and pain and slaughter, of anything.0
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I also watch that program here in America on Current TV. It is intense to watch, but it did not change my view on eating meat. I do not eat red meat or pork and have not for almost 20 years now, but that was a choice and had no political or social view on my concern for animal. I feel that we all live in this circle of life and eventually, the bacteria will feed of our flesh and the circle starts again. I do not agree with senseless killing of animals for sport, but I do support a hunters right to hunt for meat, or at least to make sure the meat is used for food. There has to be a balance in nature and without sensible control, that balance will be thrown off. In the case of feral hogs, they have decisively tipped the scale in their favor with overbreeding.
Now, going back to the original point of eating farm raised animals that have not been treated humanely. Unless the animal comes to me and tell me he did not like the treatment he received at said farm, I am ok with eating it. Being raised on a farm, I know that it is in the best interest of the farmer to ensure he takes care of his livestock to ensure he gets the best price at market for it. Yes, there are some abusers of this, but the same can be said about raising tuna in enclosed pens versus catching them in the wild. I know that every chicken wing I eat did not come from a chicken who was tucked into their bed at night, and I am good with it, because that chicken only had one purpose in life and that is to make sure I am fed. Now sometimes down the line, that chicken's descendant will eat a piece of corn that was harvested from a field where the manure came from a cow that ate grass that grew in soil that contained worms that ate the bacteria that fed on my carcass...so I am just fattening myself for the chicken's genes to be passed on. Just my two cents.0 -
I eat mostly meat, for health reasons, low-carb high-protein diet treats my metabolic disorder. So giving up meat, or even being too picky about it, is not an option for me, whether or not I like where it comes from. My grandfather raised dairy & beef cattle so before he died we used to get our meat that way, and they were grass-fed free-range cattle that had very good lives. There are still farmers out there who raise their livestock this way.
I am in the process of buying a house, and when I do, I plan to have a small chicken coop. Mostly for eggs, but if a layer stops producing I will have no problem eating her.
But, honestly, I am already doing a LOT of research into how I spend my money. Especially since the Occupy Wall Street movement has raised my awareness of the ways companies have manipulated our economy. Every company from which I buy a product has to pass my checkpoints of whether they treat their employees well, whether they are environmentally-friendly, whether they pay for a bunch of govt lobbyists, etc. (I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Target or any of the retail chains, or buy from GE, obviously.) So trying to do research on where my meat comes from, in addition to all that, would be exhausting. I would like to buy range-fed no-cruelty meats from family farms rather than factory farms, and it's one of those things I plan to pay attention to in the future, but right now it's one step at a time.0 -
I think that it matters. But for me it is too hard to do, I am usually all or nothing when it comes to stuff like this. I was a vegetarian for almost a year about 5 years ago. I decided to start a vegetarian diet not because of animals but because of health reasons. (some people think it helps in preventing osteoporosis. I think the jury is still out on that one. But when my grandma died, no one would could even touch her or her bones would break. It really bothered me so I thought I would try that out in an attempt to avoid that scenario for myself.)
But the longer I went veggie, the more I really tuned into the ethical reasons why someone might stop eating meat. And I realized that outside of being a strict vegan that I would not be able to avoid being part of animal suffering (for my personal comfort level). I did even consider going pescetarian and giving up dairy and eggs, but if I am basing my eating habits on suffering, there is still suffering and most of the fish we get at stores are farmed and fatty. Shrimp the one thing I didn't really care about eating is actually terrible for the environment and really not very good for you. Eggs, unless you are raising them yourself (or you really know the farm) there is no way to know what kind of terrible condition those poor hens lived in, even if it says organic. Dairy cows of course suffer and are then put to slaughter.
So for myself, I am simply not able at this time able to commit to a vegan life so I just try to avoid thinking about it. I am not very good at it though and I have a feeling there will be a time when I am ready to try it again, but not at this time.
I do try to eat more "free range" type things, but I don't think the conditions for most of them are much better. (unless of course I know the specific farm) I try to eat those thigns to avoid the extra hormones and antibiotics.0 -
I do eat meat. And I do care where it comes from and how it was treated. I read labels and make sure to look for organic, free-range, local, etc. After watching programs like "Food, Inc" and others, how can you not care? I am not a very religious person, but I do believe in celebrating your food. Whether it's a chicken, cow, pig, etc....love it and take care of it while it's alive and celebrate its life by eating it. Sounds weird, but if you're going to put it in your body, you should know where it came from, the conditions it lived in. I've only been "caring" for the last few years, but you've got to start somewhere. I think I'm healthier for doing so (I almost never get sick) and it's just one more reason to not eat fast food. Have you read the articles about McDonald's McRib? *Gag*0
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Meant to say, too: from a diet perspective, I try to keep my protein a bit higher, and that can be hard - especially if you're broke and trying to eat non-factory-farmed meat. So I'd be more likely to go without meat I couldn't afford than buy meat I don't want to eat. But I look for deals and stuff and rely on chicken more heavily than I'd like to.
Also, re: game, I have never been a hunter though people in my (now deceased) Texas side of the family were (if they kept trophies at all, they also ate everything and lived on ranches) but am all about eating game animals. I lived in the Texas Hill Country for a while, and some exotic game ranches (which I'm against) had caused the entire region to become populated with little deer from India, as well as giant, dangerous Russian wild boar, when their fences would periodically flood out.
The deer bred twice as often as white tail and tasted really mild, and were a big problem in the area. White tail, for that matter, are also often a big problem. I very strongly believe in hunting and eating deer here - in particular, there are so few natural predators left for them that they are way, way out of balance in the ecosystem. The amount of carbon footprint, money and all kinds of other things that could be saved if more people ate venison (yes, the nice guy wrecking your suburban garden, even), instead of cow, would be staggering.0 -
I just don't eat what I can't guarantee didn't suffer and have a normal happy life. So my question is for the meat eaters. Do you care where your meat comes from? Does it matter if the animal was miserable and factory farmed? Do you care and just try not to think about it (what I used to do)? Or do you feel that animals are here for whatever uses humans want and their pain and or suffering doesn't mean much? This is a great topic for Debate! All opinions welcome I really just want other peoples honest perspectives on it
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The debate goes beyond just animals and how we treat them but its should apply to all life. Taking an extreme approach for a moment, isn't eating vegetables just as cruel as eating an animal? Doesn't a vegetable have life, it grows, it reporduces, it adapts based on it's environmental needs? It has a life until it is disconnected from the tree or root? In order to eat a potato, the farmer must kill the entire root of the plant just to get a single potato, are these potatos grown just to eventually die? Just because we are not able to identify with the pain or feeling of a vegetable, tree, plant, etc. does not mean that it does not feel pain. Is it fair to say that since I cannot identify with the pain, it's okay to continue my actions?
Jumping back to reality and looking at the world we live in, in order for me to survive and get to my goals, I eat meat, and depending on the seasoning, it tastes soooo good!! I was raised a vegetarian and taught to think about violence at it's most minute level mostly due to my parents religious beliefs. Throughout high school I have visited local beef plants and seen videos of the nations largest beef suppliers and their slaughter houses. I have watched the movie Earthlings (highly recommend it) and in the end I turn a blind eye to the cruelty that my appetite imposes on living beings. I am familiar with host most meat comes to my plate and what it goes through for my consumption but if I took upon myself the burden of pain that all other life had to bear being part of the "circle of life" (humans have taken this a bit too far) I would have died of starvation long ago.
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This is why we should eat our pets.0
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I just try not to think about it. If I did, I wouldn't eat ANY animal product at all. I am a meat eater to the fullest and enjoy it, so I have to block it out of my head. I also have eaten and will be back to eating more protein than normal, and for me, the easiest way is to increase my meat, both because it gives me more calories/nutrients per meal and tastes better than any substitute, in my opinion.0
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I love meat eaters.0
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This is why we should eat our pets.0
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Meat tastes better if it was beaten to death with a stick. The increased adrenaline and blood flow postmortem makes the steak tender and juicy. Just ask a Matedor.0
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Meat tastes better if it was beaten to death with a stick. The increased adrenaline and blood flow postmortem makes the steak tender and juicy. Just ask a Matedor.
Interesting, Albert Fish would take days to beat children to tenderize them before killing and eating them, he learned it from a friend who had lived in impoverished china, where the poor chinese would eat homeless children because they were starving. No real reason for posting this other than the that you reminded me of that fact when you said meat tastes better tenderized, guess it works for all kinds of meat.0 -
Meat tastes better if it was beaten to death with a stick. The increased adrenaline and blood flow postmortem makes the steak tender and juicy. Just ask a Matedor.
Interesting, Albert Fish would take days to beat children to tenderize them before killing and eating them, he learned it from a friend who had lived in impoverished china, where the poor chinese would eat homeless children because they were starving. No real reason for posting this other than the that you reminded me of that fact when you said meat tastes better tenderized, guess it works for all kinds of meat.
It's a slippery slope from Meat eating to Child eating.0 -
unfortunately more than you know..............but that is for another group topic.0
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