The Great Debate
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I like this view more. I'm with some here who believes there is a God(s), just doesn't understand God(s) role or exactly know to what extent God(s) interefere in human activity.The real question should be - is religion ultimately beneficial in this world. Some
Religions require an inordinate amount of sacrifice. There need to be real world, practical implications behind what (if any) good religion brings to the believers. Ie. does faith actually help in other realms of your life?
Why is religion to blame for most of the bloodshed that's happened in our history?
We may never be able to find out in this world weather other intelligent systems exist in the universe - so the next best thing is to apply some form of utilitarian measure behind why we do and believe in the things we do.
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I have sometimes lost faith and believed it was all some bull**** story made up by some drunks who got bombed off wine and was like "LOL LETS MAKE PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE/WERE A SUPER HERO" and it kinda stuck and everyone added whatever rendition they wanted throughout time to make it stick. Or it was just something that people used as a guideline behavior to stop the world from chaos. Granted the LAW states it's illegal to kill someone etc etc people refrain from doing it because they dont want to break a commandment.
Regardless of if he is real or not, no one knows the truth until it's too late anyway. Faith is what pushes those who believe he is real. those who believe feel they are living right and will get passage to heaven and those who don't believe go to whatever ****ing land they think the go too after death, probley some grassy place with unicorns and candy corn or some **** who knows.
Damn i thought that was heaven.....
It only seems that way cause your with me
...now back to jesus and how real he is.
Haha so you are saying that is where we are now.....where are those unicorns?
And by all means i can swing both ways... we Christ believers also believe in the humor of heaven jokes
Im not a hardy tardy serious christian prick as most assume:D 0 -
Weak or strong agnosticism is not opposite of what most atheists believe unless the atheist claims to have knowledge of god. I have yet to meet any atheist with this point of view. (although i am sure there are some out there, its just not usual). Most will admit there is no way of knowing. There are also many theists who are agnostic.This is the debate group. If we're scared to talk about things who will?
I'll tell y'all know I'm an atheist. I'm actually the mod of the atheist group here. So you know where I stand.
One word. Evidence. If you can't provide evidence that god exists I'm more than a little suspect when you tell me what he thinks and did and wants and has planned for the future.
Well understood, and thank you for speaking up.
Given the fact that you believe there must be evidence, or proof, to signify the existence of god, what proof do you have that he doesn't exists. Basically, why do you take an Atheistic stance verses a more true agnostic point of view?
You can be an agnostic anything. (even an agnostic Christian) Agnostic means without knowledge. Atheist means without god. The two are not opposites or even in competition.
Gnostic-Agnostic
Theist-Atheist
Agnostic (Merriam Webster [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic]):
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of GAt lod or a god
2: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
My contextual usage of the term Hard (True[Open to interpretation]) agnosticism was used to draw a clear line between Atheistic views and Theological view based on evidence for both supporting topics.
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm
I realize. I was simply remarking on the hypocrisy of requiring proof for one belief, but lacking any for your own; however, the originator supplied me with a more than sufficient answer.0 -
I just realized I typed know when I meant now. Clearly nothing I say should be paid any attention to because I am a moron!0
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I never got time last night to get on to post this, so here is a shortened form of what I was going to say regarding God not needing a higher creator, ad nauseum.
1. Time is a dimension of the universe
2. Since God created the universe, he is outside and separate from the universe (he can also come inside the universe, much as we are outside a fish tank, but can stick our hand inside it)
3. Since he is outside the universe, he is not constrained by the dimensions of the universe, including time, so the terms "before God" and "after God" become meaningless - he simply is. If the universe goes away, time goes away, but God is still there.
4. Since there is no "before God" there is no need for a creator of God, and he is therefore the ultimate beginning and end (Alpha and Omega).
This is a tough concept to wrap your head around, since we are temporally constrained, but it also explains how God can be omniscient (time has no meaning so he can "see" all times [and places] simultaneously) and omnipotent (he can reach in and tweak anything in the universe at any time he chooses - so from our perspective he can go into the past just as easily as the future).0 -
I know that there is an afterlife (I've had experiences with ghosts, but I cannot prove it to anyone who wasn't actually there) so I'm pretty sure that there is a god/godess, or maybe several.0
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I never got time last night to get on to post this, so here is a shortened form of what I was going to say regarding God not needing a higher creator, ad nauseum.
1. Time is a dimension of the universe
2. Since God created the universe, he is outside and separate from the universe (he can also come inside the universe, much as we are outside a fish tank, but can stick our hand inside it)
3. Since he is outside the universe, he is not constrained by the dimensions of the universe, including time, so the terms "before God" and "after God" become meaningless - he simply is. If the universe goes away, time goes away, but God is still there.
4. Since there is no "before God" there is no need for a creator of God, and he is therefore the ultimate beginning and end (Alpha and Omega).
This is a tough concept to wrap your head around, since we are temporally constrained, but it also explains how God can be omniscient (time has no meaning so he can "see" all times [and places] simultaneously) and omnipotent (he can reach in and tweak anything in the universe at any time he chooses - so from our perspective he can go into the past just as easily as the future).
I like you! Great comment!0 -
I believe that God exists. I am not sure that this can truly be debated because it such a personal thing and it goes so deeping into the emotional realm. No one can prove that God exists or that God does not exist.0
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