This is how you recover
littlemili
Posts: 625 Member
I am sorry to post this and I'm sure a lot of people will be offended by it, but I am in recovery and doing very well and I wish someone had told me this when I was suffering from anorexia.
Something that bothers me a lot about many of the eating disorder sufferers here is a lack of willingness to make an active decision to do better. I was there once. I talked about recovery a lot. I thought I wanted it. I always said how bad I felt when I starved myself and yes, part of me did honestly feel that way. Some days I was desperate to recover and get out of the hell that is anorexia. Did I do anything active to achieve it? No. I told people how I felt. I did not put food in my mouth. I failed to take any positive action to remedy the situation in terms of how I treated my body.
In the end, you make a decision to recover. It is an active decision. Whether you can do as I did and literally wake up one morning and decide 'today I will eat 2000 calories and I will gain weight' and do it, or whether you decide 'today I am making a commitment to decide to recover and I will make positive choices at every opportunity'. However it plays out in your life, you have to actually go and do it. Nobody else is going to do it for you. No therapist, dietitian, counsellor, psychologist, parent, partner can really help you until you decide you are going to help yourself. They can support you once you make that decision to recover but until then, you would do better to stop kidding yourself that you feel bad for starving, or bping, or whatever else you did, UNLESS you take some action to remedy the situation.
Coming on here and saying how you feel bad that you did xyz is so pointless and I find it endlessly frustrating and irritating because I don't know what you think you will get from it. Sympathy? So what? All that does is reinforce that what you're doing is ok and someone else should help you. That is wrong. If you do xyz you should get off your computer and go and do whatever needs to be done, whether it be eat, apologise to someone, call a doctor... You're not going to find any answers here and I know from my own experience that a lot of people are here to get reassurance that what they did is not their own responsibility.
I really hope someone will take notice of this. What I am really saying is that some people need to man up and start taking responsibility for their own life. Yes, you will feel like *kitten* for a while in recovery. I do, most days. But if you decide to feed yourself right, and actually yes it is that simple, you just get food and put it in your mouth, chew, swallow, and let it digest, once you decide to feed yourself right your mind will catch up.
Something that bothers me a lot about many of the eating disorder sufferers here is a lack of willingness to make an active decision to do better. I was there once. I talked about recovery a lot. I thought I wanted it. I always said how bad I felt when I starved myself and yes, part of me did honestly feel that way. Some days I was desperate to recover and get out of the hell that is anorexia. Did I do anything active to achieve it? No. I told people how I felt. I did not put food in my mouth. I failed to take any positive action to remedy the situation in terms of how I treated my body.
In the end, you make a decision to recover. It is an active decision. Whether you can do as I did and literally wake up one morning and decide 'today I will eat 2000 calories and I will gain weight' and do it, or whether you decide 'today I am making a commitment to decide to recover and I will make positive choices at every opportunity'. However it plays out in your life, you have to actually go and do it. Nobody else is going to do it for you. No therapist, dietitian, counsellor, psychologist, parent, partner can really help you until you decide you are going to help yourself. They can support you once you make that decision to recover but until then, you would do better to stop kidding yourself that you feel bad for starving, or bping, or whatever else you did, UNLESS you take some action to remedy the situation.
Coming on here and saying how you feel bad that you did xyz is so pointless and I find it endlessly frustrating and irritating because I don't know what you think you will get from it. Sympathy? So what? All that does is reinforce that what you're doing is ok and someone else should help you. That is wrong. If you do xyz you should get off your computer and go and do whatever needs to be done, whether it be eat, apologise to someone, call a doctor... You're not going to find any answers here and I know from my own experience that a lot of people are here to get reassurance that what they did is not their own responsibility.
I really hope someone will take notice of this. What I am really saying is that some people need to man up and start taking responsibility for their own life. Yes, you will feel like *kitten* for a while in recovery. I do, most days. But if you decide to feed yourself right, and actually yes it is that simple, you just get food and put it in your mouth, chew, swallow, and let it digest, once you decide to feed yourself right your mind will catch up.
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I totally get what you are saying, but when you get frustrated, you have to remember that not everyone is there yet. Some people are where you were, when you wanted recovery but hadn't woken up yet that morning and decided what you were willing to do to achieve it. The will has to be stronger than the ED, and for some of us, we want it to be, but it isn't. I literally could.not.stop.myself. from getting on the scale yesterday. Every rational brain cell I have told me not to do it. I didn't want to do it. I did it anyway. My husband came in while I was weighing and took the scale away (at my request) before I saw the final number, but I saw enough. I fully realize how f-ed up that is. I felt wrecked with failure because I want to just wake up and choose to eat, choose not to restrict, choose not to b/p, choose not to weigh, etc. But where I'm at right now, I can't just choose it one morning. I have to choose it every second. And sometimes, my will just isn't strong enough to make the choice that I want so badly to make. I'm trying. Really, really hard. But I'm not always successful. Today, my calories are low. I'm still trying to eat more tonight - it's still early-ish - but my calories are low and I'm in a restricting mindset today. I'm trying to fight it, but it's an every second battle. I wish I was where you are, Milli... but I'm just not there yet.0
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Hmm. Mili - your approach to recovery has been amazing and inspiring. You are right to be incredibly proud of having so much bravery and commitment to getting better.
BUT - I believe that eating disorders are far too personal and complicated to be able to prescribe a 'one size fits all' recovery method. OK, you have the mental strength to be able to cope with suddenly upping your calories and gaining weight. There are a lot of people, myself included, who could NOT cope with that. I tried it and became instantly and severely bulimic. I needed the therapists and councellors to help me to get my head around it all - no I could NOT simply decide to do it by myself. i was far, far too screwed up to be able to make a rational decision like you did, and stick to it. And while I was going through all that, it helped me a lot to come on forums like these where yes, I knew I could get some sympathy. I was incredibly lonely and it helped me to know that I was not the only one going through such a dark phase in my life.
You are so strong and doing so well Mili - but try to remember that not everyone is as strong, some people take longer to recover and with more bumps in the road.0 -
Mine has gotten 100x better than it used to be. I can go days without having a binge temptation. Last summer I left my hubby. Once the divorce process started I had things coming at me left & right. It was a constant barrage of stressors coming on my plate. I was going to therapy at that time so it helped. When I moved, I had to stop therapy for 6 months because I had no $$. My insurance only covers so much and I just couldn't swing it. Now I can go a couple times a month but not nearly as much as I was. I like my therapist and I won't find a new one.
I have to keep my temptation foods out of the house. Pure and simple. I brought the girl scout cookies that i was going to use to make cupcakes into work. Yes I do have a food allergy to them, but it doesn't make me not want them in my head. I have coping mechanisms that I have to used when stressed. IF I stay out of the trigger foods for 5 days the temptation drops. However, I have not been able to do that lately because of other stressors. The other stressor is pretty much down to a dull roar now so I can move ahead of dealing with it.0 -
What I did was... I just hit a all time low point.. A very, very, very, low point. And I was ready after 23 years of the habit. From the time I was 21 years old, until 44 years old.
This is how it happened for me:
I was recovering from my bad horse accident. Aug 2009. Its kinda hard to throw up with all your right posterior ribs & collarbone broken, Oh and a punchtured lung too. For a month when I got out of the hospital I noticed I didn't throw up, for 30 days. Woah. I never did that before. I was in a chair, because it was too painful to lay down to sleep. They had me on pain meds. Soooo, it took a long time. As I layed there, I just wished oneday I could lift my arms up, and bellydance again. I wished I could be the lady on the "Swifter" commercial. Dancing around with that mop with ease, and smiling. I wished I could Ice Skate with ease again. From there on out, I had this very very very strong desire to heal myself, and feel good again. I never told anyone, no doctors, no therapists. I was bulemic for 23 years. But I was diagnosed with severve depression. And was helped professionaly for that. I learned I do better, Waaay better without those depression pills. I was one that it made my depression worse. I couldn't take them.
As I got stronger Sept 2009 I started throwing up again. And October 2009 I returned to my stressful job, with broken bones. The office was a wreck. What did they do when I was gone.. Awwwwwh I went for another year throwing up, with those bones they way they were. I had such pain. I felt like _hit everyday.
It wasn't until December of 2010 that I really was soo depressed, and just tired of being tired. Tired of never feeling well. I felt like the Walking Dead. Sooo. I prayed. I prayed to God and My Dad in Heaven. I said,"Please God, Please Dad, please give me the strenght. Please help me love myself. Please wipe away my feelings of being a "Bad Person" (Childhood Crime committed against me) And I got up from the floor. And I said I'm going to do it. I'm going to trust that I was given the strenght. I'm going to trust Nutrisystems. I did fina;;y tell my doctor. This is what I've been suffering with for this long, and this is how I'm going to change.
And I started Nutrisystems. I trusted that everything they said was ok to eat, really was okay to eat. We all need to eat without guilt. I logged everything. My friends there supported me. I made it thru a whole 11 months.. I did have two setbacks. once on Nov 26th and once on Dec 20th. Not any since then. I feel I'm in remission. I feel like I have finally given myself "Permission to Eat" I lost about 35 lbs last year. But I did find out, I should actually be eating more now. That I did go into a bit of starvation mode, being on NS. Now I eat about 500 more calories a day, than I did last year.
I feel stronger. I feel happier.. And somehow I want to tell everybody, and help whoever I can. Support openly, people who want to be on this better life journey with me. Something I couldn't do openly on Nutrisystems. Some members supported me while knowing. But I kept it a secret, and did not announce it on the blogs. They have a legal reason for discontinuing peoples memberships, if you have a ED. They do not promote NS for that reason. Guess what NS... You helped me anyway, even thou you don't support people like me. Too bad. You could be helping other people. Thats really too bad. Thats what helped me. I just gave myself permission to eat what they said. And with that permission, I did feel I had to throw up. I kept everything. And I learned to eat again. From that I reconnected with fruits & veggies. With portion sizes. With logging, drinking water, exercising, and with something I never thought I could have. Many friends online. Many nice friends. I always thought of myself as loner. With a few good friends.. Now I know, I am likeable. And I like myself too. I give myself credit.
I'm just glad you guys are here. Because know I can talk about it. Now I have found others on the same mission. And I know its not "Mission Impossible" if lifes "Incredible Journey To Feeling Better" :flowerforyou:0 -
I'm not sure how to correct misspellings, I didn't see a edit option to correct them... soooo...
I had two words misspelled in last post. "Finally" told the doctor & "Didn't" feel I had to throw up.
If this makes a difference. It kinda does.0 -
Coming on here and saying how you feel bad that you did xyz is so pointless and I find it endlessly frustrating and irritating because I don't know what you think you will get from it. Sympathy? So what? All that does is reinforce that what you're doing is ok and someone else should help you. That is wrong. If you do xyz you should get off your computer and go and do whatever needs to be done, whether it be eat, apologise to someone, call a doctor... You're not going to find any answers here and I know from my own experience that a lot of people are here to get reassurance that what they did is not their own responsibility.
You may have a point, but for some people this is a place where they can vent. There is a difference between emotional help and actual help. Yes, if you want change, you have do actually do something. But to talk to people here when they have nobody else they can talk to (because you have to realise that not everyone have the courage to talk to a doctor. that's just how it is)... I don't see what's wrong with that. It can be harmful if you just sit in front of your computer and complain, but it's better than struggling on your own when you're too afraid to tell anyone you know.0 -
I totally get what you are saying, but when you get frustrated, you have to remember that not everyone is there yet. Some people are where you were, when you wanted recovery but hadn't woken up yet that morning and decided what you were willing to do to achieve it. The will has to be stronger than the ED, and for some of us, we want it to be, but it isn't. I literally could.not.stop.myself. from getting on the scale yesterday. Every rational brain cell I have told me not to do it. I didn't want to do it. I did it anyway. My husband came in while I was weighing and took the scale away (at my request) before I saw the final number, but I saw enough. I fully realize how f-ed up that is. I felt wrecked with failure because I want to just wake up and choose to eat, choose not to restrict, choose not to b/p, choose not to weigh, etc. But where I'm at right now, I can't just choose it one morning. I have to choose it every second. And sometimes, my will just isn't strong enough to make the choice that I want so badly to make. I'm trying. Really, really hard. But I'm not always successful. Today, my calories are low. I'm still trying to eat more tonight - it's still early-ish - but my calories are low and I'm in a restricting mindset today. I'm trying to fight it, but it's an every second battle. I wish I was where you are, Milli... but I'm just not there yet.
totally agree with this!! not everybody can just get up and start eating 2000 calories!! i am already overweight at this point so it terrifies me that i will cross the border and be obese so no matter how hard i do try each time i weigh myself and have gained weight it terrifies me and causes me to restrict but this doesn't mean i don't want to get better!! it simply means i havn't got to that point where i can just ignore it and work on getting better!! i havn't started therapy yet and i've got lots going on in my life contributing to my condition so until i get help for all that i will probably have this problem for awhile!!
I dont think it is fair for you to judge others based on your personal experience!! you are strong and that is definitely obvious but not all of us are that strong so i think you should be a little more sensitive and a little less judgemental in your approach next time0 -
Looks like you all jumped past where I said that I know not everyone can just wake up and decide to eat. But you can decide to recover, whatever that means for you and whatever speed it has to happen. I KNOW because I have been there, that it seems impossible to recover at times. I am telling you for a fact that those of you who say 'I can't eat' are wrong - you can. Unless you are physically unable to get access to food then you CAN eat. It is a mechanical action. That's what I am saying. You have the opportunity to make that decision for yourself, no matter how many times you lie to yourself and say you can't.
I still sit here and complain how hard life is, and how my mind is still stuck with anorexia, and how I hate my body. But I also recognise that eating is a simple, mechanical action and the sooner some of you realise that, the better.0 -
Looks like you all jumped past where I said that I know not everyone can just wake up and decide to eat. But you can decide to recover, whatever that means for you and whatever speed it has to happen. I KNOW because I have been there, that it seems impossible to recover at times. I am telling you for a fact that those of you who say 'I can't eat' are wrong - you can. Unless you are physically unable to get access to food then you CAN eat. It is a mechanical action. That's what I am saying. You have the opportunity to make that decision for yourself, no matter how many times you lie to yourself and say you can't.
I still sit here and complain how hard life is, and how my mind is still stuck with anorexia, and how I hate my body. But I also recognise that eating is a simple, mechanical action and the sooner some of you realise that, the better.
I didn't jump past it, I just wanted to point out that the mechanics of eating aren't the big hurdle for me. My binge/purge days definitely prove that. I think that may be a difference here, too. If I just put my finger in the peanut butter jar and then in my mouth over and over, odds are very, very high that I will lose control entirely and launch into a full-fledged b/p. I think you said you've never really been one to b/p, so maybe focusing on the mechanics of eating is a great way for you to move past the fear of food and move into recovery. For me, at the moment, while having no ED behaviors would be best, I feel safer restricting than risking a b/p. I'm trying to pull myself out of the restricting, but if I push it too hard, I will b/p, and then severely restrict afterwards. And I figure one ED behavior is better than two or three...0 -
Well said my friend!! It is a willingness. Somedays I amm more willing than others, but that is my own ****. I guess I see you have your head on straight. Not that it is easy for you but you are doing so very well. Willingness for me is I dont want to deal with **** and so they tell me I wont get over this..guess I have to trust them and take that leap. Hard to do when you cant trust to many people. But you are a great inspiration and you are going to go far. But one thing you must realize to that you didnt have to seem to deal with is depression. That compounds things and makes them worse. Why would someone care about there ed when they can barely get out of bed. So yes I see your point and it is a very good one, but there are many factors that play into a persons ed.
And Annabelle I used to rationale my ED behaviors as you said one is better than the other, but truth be told you are just fooling yourself. You can damage your body with what ever behaviors you do. You just choose to see restricting as better behavior than B &P is. We all do it. Been there done that I can rationalize just about anything so I know where you are coming from.
Milli I am so very proud of you. Dont focus on others..focus on yourself because I dont want darth getting any ideas since you are doing so well. It is to easy to fall back into that as you know. Keep up the good work..you are an inspiration!! Love ya XOXO0 -
I am glad that we have each other here to. It is nice to be able to say what you are going through and no one judges you, but supports. I can talk with my friends who dont have ed's but they dont get it at all. They try to iunderstand but as one friend said to me tonight "I just dont get how you can just not eat..I eat when I am stressed and even when I am not..Why wouldnt you want to eat? How can you be afraid of food? And you are so painfully thin how can you not see it?" People like that I dont even try to explain because they really have no idea. But you guys know where I am coming from, the thoughts and feeling I have. I just hope and pray that you all find the strength before it really does destroy your body. Because it will and it is weather you see it or not. I am living proof of that and so are the many friends I have lost to this disease. And I dont want to loose anymore!:flowerforyou:0
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But one thing you must realize to that you didnt have to seem to deal with is depression. That compounds things and makes them worse. Why would someone care about there ed when they can barely get out of bed.0
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I cannot find who said that about the depression, but I have never met somebody with and eating disorder that wasn't depressed, anxious, or suffering from some other terrible emotions.0
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I cannot find who said that about the depression, but I have never met somebody with and eating disorder that wasn't depressed, anxious, or suffering from some other terrible emotions.
Too true. Why else would anyone put themselves through such torture.0 -
Sorry but bringing up the "mechanics" of eating, I find very patronising. If you want to get techincal then perhaps mention the part about what controls your arm movements to life up your fork in the first place. That intricate organ The Brain, which also controls repulsion to activate your gag reflex. I may not be anywhere near what was your critical weight, but I used to be, and I remember that no matter how hard I tried and wished, anything that passed my lips would unwillingly be regurgitated in front of me. Does mean I didn't try as hard as you?? Or simply, because my brain would not allow me to. Why don't you decide and let me know.0
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The only comment I have to add is that on the days that I really struggle and reach out for support, I'm not looking for sympathy or to be told I'm not responsible for my actions. I'm practicing asking for help because I have a really hard time doing so even when I desperately need it and I'm also hoping to hear that others have or have had similar experiences so I feel less alone. Both of those results are important parts of my recovery process. I will say, though, that I have had friends on here that I felt moaned and groaned simply for the attention and I decided for my own sanity to delete them from my list because I just kept getting triggered by their super-low calorie days and their 1500 calorie exercise binges.0
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Ed turn into a disease of the brain. There is a chemical imbalance. I get what you mean about getting rid of food. Sometimes I just have to think about what I ate or my weight and food comes up. No one has the right to judge anyone where they are in the recovery process. It is a process..some have had the disease much longer than others. ..others not as severe. Shouldnt be here to put one another down, but to encourage on another. No one can judge you until they have walked in your shoes. I think it is great when people do good..actually I support them esp when they are first starting out in their disease because it is easier to break the cycle if you catch it early. It is a matter of just doing it because if that was the case I dont think this many people whould be struggling. Some people go from one addiction(for lack of better words) to another. They might stop their ed and start drinking, drugs, shopping gambling, become obsessed with exercising and eating healthy. So I will support anybody no matter what. I am where I am in my recovery process because it is "My" recovery. Like I said cant judge another person til you have walked in their shoes. Really if anyone wants to walk in mine it wasnt fun being raped at the age of 5, then had a long term sexual abuse and then to be raped at 18. And that is just one thing to try to deal with. We are all were we are because of certain reasons. I dont look for pity and if someone is offending you dont be their friend. Like someone else said that they dont keep people who moan because they have eaten to much at 500 calories or whatever because to me they dont want to get better they are just not ready yet. I dont know just my thoughts which dont really mean anything but I didnt want anyone who is trying(and not doing 100%) to feel like people are judging them because I am not. I dont take offense to what Milli said because that is her opinion and everyone is entitled to that, but I can bring some light to the situation to make people more aware of things. My reaso for being here is I get a great deal of support but more important to me I want to support others so they dont end up like I have. Because once somethings have happened there is no turning back. And I dont want anyone to feel alone esp since I felt so alone for so long with this..and that was just horrible!0
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Honestly - ED are like thought cancer...0
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