Cleats

Tracey_Smith
Tracey_Smith Posts: 199 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
Hi Guys

After the last few rides I've had a niggly ache at the outerside of my left knee. I had my bike set up professionally for me so I know that's ok. The only thing that is different is that I have had Keo Blades attached instead of the regular Keo pedals. I need to replace my cleats as the walk (lol) up Rosedale has torn them to shreds.

My question is: Is there a specific way to fit cleats or is it trial and error? :ohwell:

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  • Ant_M76
    Ant_M76 Posts: 534 Member
    I would have a good look at the position relative to the bottom of the shoe, that they are creently attached in. Perhaps take a photo with your phone, as a reference. Fit the new cleats the same, adjust to suit, after a quick sit on the bike and maybe up the road and back :)
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    if you're replacing the cleats "like for like" and they're in the correct position, just draw round the old ones in-situ with a fine-line marker, remove and replace. As far as the knee-ache... I think entire medical treatises have been written on this subject. My right knee is really dodgy (it's been strapped together with kinesio-tape in one form or another since july last year, when I had a small operation on it...) but I ended up with the specialised BG footbeds and the little wedges that go underneath the footbed to "cant" your foot to one side - this straightened up my knee - the left one tracked straight/parallel to the top tube, but the right one "threw out" away from the t/tube at the top of the pedal stroke. The wedged straightened things up a little, and the kinesio tape held it in place until the muscles "tightened" and held me in place again.

    To be honest, if your knee was okay up until recently, it could just be that the cleat was already wearing before ripping it to bits on rosedale. You say it's the left foot - is that the one you unclip to stop at traffic lights etc ?? Because it's surprising how little wear and tear on the tip of the cleat is needed to throw things slightly out of whack...

    I'd swap to new cleats, in the same position as old ones, ride for a bit, and see if there's any improvement. Then possibly, if it's still needed, experiment on the turbo for a session - trying to alter the angle of the foot ever so slightly heel in/out and see if there's any change / improvement.
  • KitTheRoadie
    KitTheRoadie Posts: 641 Member
    I think it is trial and error.

    On Look cleats there is a small mark on the outside of the cleat, this is supposed to line up with the pedal axle or thereabouts.

    I get numbness in my left foot and was told this was to do with cleat position, after messing around with positions I think it is something else but hey it was worth a try!

    As TheBigYin said, when you replace my cleats, draw around them so they go in exactly the same place as the old ones. This works a treat.

    Did you know they sell cleat covers to protect them from wear and tear and for people who walk up hills?! ;-P
  • cloggsy71
    cloggsy71 Posts: 2,208 Member
    I use the (Yellow) SPD-SL cleats with a 6° float (movement) built into them.

    Are your cleats fixed or do they have some degree of 'float' built into them?
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    Look Keo's are :- red - 9 degrees - grey 4.5 degrees, black - fixed (no float)
  • Tracey_Smith
    Tracey_Smith Posts: 199 Member
    Yin - I do step off with my left leg. I have the grey cleats ready for tonight so will replace as you mentioned.

    I do have cleat protectors but to be honest, they're just something else I need to fit in a small space and after tubes, pump, inhalers etc I tend to leave them at home :-(

    I'll get them fitted and see how things go over the next few days. Hopefully get them sorted before Sunday xx:smile::smile:
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    in fairness, if I'd have know that Rosedale Chimney was on the route card, I'd have been riding in my MTB shoes with the little SPD cleats, as i'd have KNOWN I was walking for that section :laugh: It's no stigma to walk that one - when the Milk Race (yep - that dates it!!) went up there years ago, almost all the continental pro's who came over had to get off and walk it. They'd been laughing earlier at the english riders as they'd fitted 28T cassettes... they weren't laughing at the start of the wall though :laugh:
  • fatboypup
    fatboypup Posts: 1,873 Member
    if you're replacing the cleats "like for like" and they're in the correct position, just draw round the old ones in-situ with a fine-line marker, remove and replace. As far as the knee-ache... I think entire medical treatises have been written on this subject. My right knee is really dodgy (it's been strapped together with kinesio-tape in one form or another since july last year, when I had a small operation on it...) but I ended up with the specialised BG footbeds and the little wedges that go underneath the footbed to "cant" your foot to one side - this straightened up my knee - the left one tracked straight/parallel to the top tube, but the right one "threw out" away from the t/tube at the top of the pedal stroke. The wedged straightened things up a little, and the kinesio tape held it in place until the muscles "tightened" and held me in place again.

    To be honest, if your knee was okay up until recently, it could just be that the cleat was already wearing before ripping it to bits on rosedale. You say it's the left foot - is that the one you unclip to stop at traffic lights etc ?? Because it's surprising how little wear and tear on the tip of the cleat is needed to throw things slightly out of whack...

    I'd swap to new cleats, in the same position as old ones, ride for a bit, and see if there's any improvement. Then possibly, if it's still needed, experiment on the turbo for a session - trying to alter the angle of the foot ever so slightly heel in/out and see if there's any change / improvement.

    I also use the BG footbeds and have a shim in my left shoe for my knee
  • Tracey_Smith
    Tracey_Smith Posts: 199 Member
    Tried the new ones out today, left leg ok, right needed tweaking slightly. All seems good now. Will make sure tomorrow ahead of Sundays sportive.
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    Excellent - to be honest, there's really no substitute for just tweaking and perfecting. That's why when you DO get it sorted, it's such a wrench to either swap pedal systems or worse still - have to buy new shoes! I was mortified a couple of months ago, when I swapped my cleat, I managed to strip one of the threaded inserts in the sole. Couldn't chase up replacements anywhere (Specialized being a bit of a pain as to who they'll let have stock to sell mail-order in the UK) and ended up getting the metalworking tools out and cutting my own replacement one out of a old Shimano SPD plate. Bit of dremmeling, and a quick file down and it's probably better (read more robust) than the original. Was soooo relieved. Really didn't want to have to throw a perfectly serviceable £120 pair of carbon soled shoes for the sake of one tiny bit of metal! Especially as, if I had, I know that i'd only have replaced them with something that I COULD get spares for. Which, given the shape of my feet, would have probably meant a pair of Sidi Mega's...
  • bethlikesbikes
    bethlikesbikes Posts: 69 Member
    Great info here already. Generally a bike fitter will also look at your cleat position. To set positions, you can refer to Andy Pruit's articles. Just a thought...have you increased climbing, intensity a lot as the weather become nicer? That's the frequent cause of my knee pain, just doing too much, too soon.
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    Just a thought...have you increased climbing, intensity a lot as the weather become nicer? That's the frequent cause of my knee pain, just doing too much, too soon.

    I'd put good money on that being the main reason as well, tbh... going from riding on your local (relatively flat) roads to climbing things like rosedale chimney and some of those climbs up north of harrogate... All it takes is the quads to over-tighten a little to alter the "micro-tracking" of your knee and it'll feel sore very easily!
  • Tracey_Smith
    Tracey_Smith Posts: 199 Member
    Nail on the head comes to mind. I've got 4 weeks till my next sportive so will take it easy for a few days then start hill climbs but on a far less intense basis, rather than heading for the nastiest hills in the country and starting with them. Still feel like they need a wee bit more tweaking so will treat as a work in progress xx
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